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MineralMan

(151,281 posts)
37. A person can choose anything. That's a right.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 04:08 PM
Jan 2014

However, a quack who convinces someone to choose a worthless treatment plan is liable for encouraging that choice. This particular quack is about to be tried for criminal acts.

A lot of people with a terminal disease choose not to be treated with chemotherapy, radiation, or other medical treatments. They do so, after being advised by a physician and making their own decision. The quack who has been charged here with a crime went further. He claimed that a worthless treatment would help the person recover. It would not. It could not, because it is not based on fact. The treatment was a scam, designed to line this "practitioner's" pockets and not to treat or cure the person's disease.

So, who is at fault? Not the person who made the choice. The fault lies with the fraudulent quack, who encouraged the patient to take a treatment which could not help.

In the case of the medical doctor who proposes chemotherapy or radiation to a cancer patient, he can present information about probably prognoses, based on the use of such therapies with the type of cancer that the patient has. He can also, and will, tell the patient what the treatment will be and what side effects it will cause, along with the probability of success and remission or cure. That's science-based medicine. With that information in hand, the patient can make an informed decision. Some will choose to have the treatment. Some percentage of those will have their life extended, have a remission, or even be cured of the disease. The person who chooses not to be treated will probably die of the disease in due time. But, that's an informed choice.

In the case of the quack, the patient makes a misinformed choice. That is criminal.

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DU rec... SidDithers Jan 2014 #1
This should be brought up... CSStrowbridge Jan 2014 #18
Agree 100%. Archae Jan 2014 #34
But he had a Ph.D. from Clayton College of Natural Health frazzled Jan 2014 #2
Piled higher and Deeper Half-Century Man Jan 2014 #9
I'm curious, how did he kill them? whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #3
I know of one person who didn't use approved medicine... Archae Jan 2014 #5
His choice right? whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #7
Yeah, her choice... Archae Jan 2014 #10
I don't always agree with my father's beliefs but I do believe he has the freedom to liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #11
If it was "medicine" it wouldn't be "alternative". AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #26
let me see if I can explain this... Scootaloo Jan 2014 #17
Not defending this quack whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #20
However the people passing it off as medicine should still be held accountable Scootaloo Jan 2014 #22
A person can choose anything. That's a right. MineralMan Jan 2014 #37
Thank you Stargazer09 Jan 2014 #52
Isn't that the right-wing response to big business abuses? Marr Jan 2014 #42
A lesson woosters need to learn MattBaggins Jan 2014 #43
I'd like to know that, too. Mariana Jan 2014 #8
What is "woo" and how does it apply to this thread? Renew Deal Jan 2014 #4
Woo is quackery. Archae Jan 2014 #6
is it possible KT2000 Jan 2014 #13
Not in reference to this subject matter, no. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #27
the point is to discuss KT2000 Jan 2014 #29
I always love how the exhortations to 'honesty' or 'civil discussion' target one side. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #31
I know, because "natural medicine" sounds much more edgy and deep than what it really is snooper2 Jan 2014 #49
therapies have names KT2000 Jan 2014 #50
your linkage between comparing people here using WOOO to being just like snooper2 Jan 2014 #51
Pseudoscience jeff47 Jan 2014 #19
Woo is only good for Prevention, NOT curing. ErikJ Jan 2014 #12
It's only good for the quack's wallet. Archae Jan 2014 #14
Vegetarian diet and pH levels can be helpful in preventing. But ridiculous for curing. ErikJ Jan 2014 #16
Citation please. longship Jan 2014 #21
I can't help but think of those that stopped or did not take meds SoapBox Jan 2014 #24
Typical, and yes, sad. longship Jan 2014 #25
So he hired doctors and nurses to give WHAT intranvenously? And it KILLED them? n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #15
The guy is skeezy. SoapBox Jan 2014 #23
Throw the book at him. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #28
A creep who got rich exploiting ill, desperate people, while doing nothing for them. SunSeeker Jan 2014 #30
The "Homeopathic Medical Community" Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #32
This is really a dangerous woo advocate... Archae Jan 2014 #33
California certifies Naturalpath MDs all the time. They have to have gone to a real medical school. haele Jan 2014 #35
If you're thinking of a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine (N.D), there's no MD requirement... SidDithers Jan 2014 #38
Sorry, I meant regular Md's that include Naturopathic medicine. I've met a few licenced. haele Jan 2014 #39
MD's who practice naturopathy MattBaggins Jan 2014 #46
Thanks for posting this. Quackery Kills! MineralMan Jan 2014 #36
Last name Young and he hails from Utah.......? Sheepshank Jan 2014 #40
Are You With Me, Doctor Wu? Jefferson23 Jan 2014 #41
These charlatans need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law etherealtruth Jan 2014 #44
'Controversial alternative health provider charged' - something wrong with the article title? Rex Jan 2014 #45
Whatever "FUD" is... Archae Jan 2014 #47
At least Archae hasn't killed anyone. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #55
Kick... SidDithers Jan 2014 #48
Meanwhile back at the rancho AMA randr Jan 2014 #53
First visit, thirty-eight bucks. tridim Jan 2014 #54
Oh right, he's "part of the conspiracy..." Archae Jan 2014 #56
Got it, I'll put you in the close-minded-and-ignorant category. tridim Jan 2014 #57
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