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LongTomH

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14. I found a critical review of Ben Way's conclusion
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 05:43 PM
Jan 2014

Googling on 'Jobocalypse' led me to the blog: Robot Futures Book by an author with his own ideas on what a 'robot future' may look like. The author did a very critical review of Ben Way's book and the conclusions Way reached. Some excerpts below:

Ben Way’s book, Jobocalypse, is subtitled “The End of Human Jobs and How Robots Will Replace Them.” The title summarizes the book’s attitude well, and while I agree that this issue is worthy of serious discussion, Way’s book demonstrates common fallacies that are worth identifying. Way starts with a chart showing employment slack, and here he is inspired by McAfee and Brynjolfsson at MIT. The interesting pattern is that unemployment following recession recovers both less quickly and less fully with every more recent case of recession, and this portends business recovery practices that are becoming ever less friendly toward the individual worker. Way explains just how cautious behavior on the part of a recovering company leads toward lower-cost routes to high productivity and profits rather than making long-term commitments to fully employed new workers, even in the face of increasing consumer demand. Rightly, Way identifies increasingly inexpensive and flexible automation as an important enabler of this pattern, and I agree fully with this analysis.

However in looking at automation itself and how it improves over time, Way’s argument repeats a mistaken trope so common that I believe we need to name it: Moore’s Leak (with due apologies to Gordon Moore). Way shows an oft-reproduced chart of computing power from 1900 through 2020. The chart shows MIPS per $1000 and shows a healthy doubling at least every 18 months, as suggested by Moore’s Law. Computers from various years are labeled on the graph, and the future looks bright for ever-faster computers. But the problem is the labeling: “Brain power equivalent” along the right lists bacteria, spiders, lizards, mice, monkeys and of course humans. And humans are shown easily achievable by 2020. That’s less than seven years from now, folks. Moore’s Law is a fine predictor (actually a milestone-setting device for Intel) for computing speed, but jumping over to animal equivalence forces mistaken conclusions from everyone but the computational biologists amongst us. Way’s point, based on the chart, is that robots will do everything humans can by 2020, and cheaply. For this conclusion the chart lends no support. Yes, singularists will argue that just as soon as computers are fast enough, they will also be smart enough to design their own future evolutionary conclusions, and this runaway chain reaction will yield so much intelligence that super-intelligent computers can then do what we humans have not been able to do: fully emulate a human being. But that is an indirect argument that is mostly an article of faith today.

In literal terms, computer speed just does not approach humanity. Moore’s Leak happens when we use Moore’s Law to optimistically imagine a future breakthrough that doesn’t really have anything to do with computing speed. Way predicts that robots will be cheap and capable thanks to Moore: “Within the next generation, the humanoid robots that we see in films such as I, Robot will find their way into our homes and will be able to perform almost any task more efficiently and better than any human ever could.” I disagree strongly; Way is tapping levels of actuation, hardware innovation, perception and reasoning that are more than a generation away with a statement this strong.

Read the rest here: http://robotfuturesbook.wordpress.com/2013/07/28/mini-review-jobocalypse-by-ben-way/

Note that the argument touches on the often touted: Technological Singularity, which is predicted to occur sometime within the next few decades; although, there are many people skeptical of the whole concept, myself included.

Edited to add: You might try Googling on the name: Illah Nourbakhsh, author of Robot Futures.

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No jobs = no income = no consumer = no market Xipe Totec Jan 2014 #1
That's kinda the point. jeff47 Jan 2014 #3
It's the "new paradigm" that is hard to imagine - as they always are. pampango Jan 2014 #6
I for one welcome our new silicon overlords. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2014 #32
You'll find a way or we'll send you off to deal with robotic corrections officers... Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #4
A corollary flying rabbit Jan 2014 #45
The Terminator scenerio may become more reakl than we think Armstead Jan 2014 #2
Wow I'm a nurse and I'm on the list. mucifer Jan 2014 #5
Me too, did not expect to see that. likesmountains 52 Jan 2014 #7
I hear Robot Repair is an up-and-coming field Armstead Jan 2014 #8
Yeah to hell with people lets take care of robots! mucifer Jan 2014 #9
You will command an army of robots in the new paradigm, and you will be "a" nurse... times 20. MADem Jan 2014 #33
When a robot can say Nevernose Jan 2014 #44
some of these make sense, others boggle the mind. unblock Jan 2014 #10
One bartender with three robots can probably do the work of four people easily. MADem Jan 2014 #34
I've got to get busy writing a credit card skimming program for robotic bartenders. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #55
Well, you'd probably give that credit card to a human. MADem Jan 2014 #56
I wouldn't be caught dead taking any orders from some human meatbag! Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #58
Oh, Bender!!!!! MADem Jan 2014 #61
I don't think the states would allow anyone to use robot bartenders jmowreader Jan 2014 #35
Musician? 1000words Jan 2014 #11
Actually... Xyzse Jan 2014 #13
Interesting 1000words Jan 2014 #17
It is pretty interesting. Xyzse Jan 2014 #19
Think of the possibilities: 1000words Jan 2014 #20
Yep! Xyzse Jan 2014 #24
I like the way you think! 1000words Jan 2014 #25
they do know that Daft Punk are not really robots but dudes in costume, right? NightWatcher Jan 2014 #21
... cyberswede Jan 2014 #38
Japan has already had a hologram pop star.. Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #23
We already have robot musicians. icymist Jan 2014 #60
So a robot with a perfect measured poor that can tell when you've exceeded limit hughee99 Jan 2014 #12
I found a critical review of Ben Way's conclusion LongTomH Jan 2014 #14
The problem is his review boils down to "Nuh uh!!!!" jeff47 Jan 2014 #16
I really should have added this paragraph: LongTomH Jan 2014 #22
I already followed the link and read that. jeff47 Jan 2014 #31
It's in it's infancy..let it grow...5 Coolest Farm Robots Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #40
I completely agree.. sendero Jan 2014 #54
Telling my kids to get a degree in Robotics Engineering. dilby Jan 2014 #15
Nope. The robots will design and build themselves Paulie Jan 2014 #29
Likely print themselves.... Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #41
This list is mostly bunk. CFLDem Jan 2014 #18
List is pretty much BS Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #26
Well, depends on what kind of nurse you're looking for. MADem Jan 2014 #36
These devices are all working Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #39
You really, really want to keep making buggy whips, I guess! MADem Jan 2014 #43
Nope, I am very pro-tech Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #47
Well, you kinda prove my point, there! MADem Jan 2014 #48
My point was Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #49
Well, I think you're limiting your concept of "replacement" MADem Jan 2014 #52
Again, I agree on most of your points Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #53
The trouble with Robots is that they can't be retooled as fast as people can, PDJane Jan 2014 #27
I have an interest in robotic agriculture. The fact is, Robots can be designed that can detect a bluestate10 Jan 2014 #37
The list is complete pigeon do-do JPZenger Jan 2014 #28
That list is laughable Warpy Jan 2014 #30
I predict: Hackers will always have a job. Always. n/t Duer 157099 Jan 2014 #42
Nurse? Incitatus Jan 2014 #46
Soldier, not a bad idea treestar Jan 2014 #50
And when the last job is eliminated and the wealthy are holed away on their islands . . . HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #51
Jobs melm00se Jan 2014 #57
Nice ideas/points... thanks..nt Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #59
Questions: HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #63
those are all excellent quesitons melm00se Jan 2014 #64
The dystopian would say that the jobs will survive... lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #62
Many things hinge on the development of a decent AI, and we have no idea when that's happening. Xithras Jan 2014 #65
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