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27. I'll answer it. It is highly probable that Indonesia knew the Aussies would try, and likely, succeed

Mon Jan 27, 2014, 07:00 PM

Jan 2014

in bugging their communications. Making it publicly known forces Indonesia to address publicly as well. Diplomatically, I don't think a country can just say, oh, it's okay no worries. We've been trying to hack your communications for some time now, too. You've got to tell me where you find your hackers. The revelations force their hand at a highly inopportune time. I can tell you could not care the least about the refugees who might be harmed by not having Indonesia and Australia working together to help their journey.
Does it occur to you who benefits from all this? China is the country rattling sabres in the area. They want nothing more than for all their opposition to be fighting one another. There is zero gain from this and potential harm to both the refugees and Indonesian/Australian relations.

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The Snowden Revelation That Might Start a War [View all] sheshe2 Jan 2014 OP

If the revelation of spying is apt to start a war DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #1

My question, exactly n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #2

Are you okay with the fact that he is dumping sheshe2 Jan 2014 #16

I put a question out there. You replied with a different question. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #21

I'll answer it. It is highly probable that Indonesia knew the Aussies would try, and likely, succeed okaawhatever Jan 2014 #27

Well, you started to answer, but you got sidetracked and blamed me for refugees' woes DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #30

That's the question I'd love to have answered in this thread Aerows Jan 2014 #31

No one seems to want to answer it. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #34

No, I did answer. It's the revelation itself. I don't buy the meme that the issue was the spying okaawhatever Jan 2014 #53

I would like to hear an answer to that also. n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #58

Well when you don't like the answer doesn't mean it wasn't answered... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #122

Ahhh . . . why is Aussie/Indonesia covert operations our business? brush Jan 2014 #154

but that's not what's being discussed DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #158

Huh? brush Jan 2014 #184

If no one is shocked, if everyone knew, then your reason for warfare just evaporated. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #218

Guess you haven't kept up with the latest on the Aussie/Indonesia situation. nt brush Jan 2014 #252

Your question: JDPriestly Jan 2014 #309

It's not a nonsensical claim. Igel Jan 2014 #216

If someone starts a war to save face, that entity is responsible for the war. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #219

This is the most eloquent defense of this position I have seen in this thread TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #245

A betrayed wife has the choice to stay with her husband or leave him. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #312

If Indonesia or Australia claimed to be starting a war over this, it is m JDPriestly Jan 2014 #307

It seem like Manning and Snowden were very similar yet people here defend Manning and attack Snowden Travis_0004 Jan 2014 #66

Manning stayed and faced the charges. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #76

You showed no respect for Manning when she was in the news, prior to conviction. Marr Jan 2014 #91

Seriously Marr? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #102

So where are the links that you have accused me of defaming Manning? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #117

So you are blatantly ignoring the content and simply looking at the veneer. cui bono Jan 2014 #295

Ah, who is really defending their idol... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #297

I have no idol. I am against unconstitutionalNSA domestic spying. cui bono Jan 2014 #299

LOL, yes, then his ass would be in jail already. Biased much? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #116

yep. I'm fine with it. since you asked. I'm less fine with your beloved NSA cali Jan 2014 #212

Sorry cali... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #244

Citation please for how Snowden is "dumping these documents willy nilly". cui bono Jan 2014 #290

Because 1) he could not have just walked up to a member of JDPriestly Jan 2014 #305

It's not an either/or question. -eom gcomeau Jan 2014 #50

I think its pretty naive iamthebandfanman Jan 2014 #69

Every country has their own KT2000 Jan 2014 #75

I blame the revelation. Spying is a fact of life. All countries with the capability do it. pnwmom Jan 2014 #81

Exactly. I'm so sick of hearing that bullshit that 1awake Jan 2014 #83

So how will you ever learn just what was leaked to other countries? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #125

If a tree falls in a forest and...nt kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #134

the daily banter? grasswire Jan 2014 #3

Shh! Aerows Jan 2014 #9

You missed "liar" and "coward". [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #73

Snowden was unfriendly to his neighbors in Hawaii. QC Jan 2014 #100

Well you forgot to bring Greenwald into it. cui bono Jan 2014 #296

As Charles Pierce said, diplomacy is hard when you're stupid. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #4

Charles Pierce Aerows Jan 2014 #5

At the behest of the NSA? No pone else is claiming that. Australia has it's own spy agency and has okaawhatever Jan 2014 #32

The program that the OP and Pierce are referring to is an NSA program Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #98

"Five Eyes" Aerows Jan 2014 #186

Yes. But Stateroom is an NSA program eliciting the assistance of our "Five Eyes" partners. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #202

Libertarians are salivating at the thought of Snowden's revelations starting a war Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #6

Because Libertarians, Progressives Aerows Jan 2014 #10

Progressives love starting wars? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #13

You were the one discussing Aerows Jan 2014 #14

My post was specific to Libertarians Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #15

Oh, so YOU specifically are a Progressive? Please stand up and IDENTIFY in this thread :D n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #18

Nowehere did I say Progressives wanted to start a war Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #24

Ah ah ah Aerows Jan 2014 #25

You're a Progressive? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #26

Did I lose my credentials Aerows Jan 2014 #29

Based on your replies to me.... Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #33

I'm thrilled you recognize conservative behavior Aerows Jan 2014 #38

Yep....you definitely have it down Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #41

Oh, I will Aerows Jan 2014 #43

"I am a proud Progressive" Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #45

Are you a Progressive? Aerows Jan 2014 #46

LOL....you think I'm gonna play your conservative games? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #48

I think you knew Aerows Jan 2014 #52

You replied to me first, dear. Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #57

Oh, I think the point was made Aerows Jan 2014 #88

"I am a proud Progressive" Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #90

Interesting question Aerows Jan 2014 #92

That was the question I posed to you. Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #96

Well Aerows Jan 2014 #97

There are numerous people I've disagreed with, but I still remember their names Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #99

Okay Aerows Jan 2014 #103

You're the one who initially replied to me claiming I said Progressives love to start wars Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #104

And you also Aerows Jan 2014 #106

LOL. There you go again Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #107

Yes, well Aerows Jan 2014 #108

You really have a hard time understanding what people say Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #110

Well Aerows Jan 2014 #111

I usually do forget people who cannot engage in policy discussions Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #112

Alright Aerows Jan 2014 #113

You really need to stop twisting people's words Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #114

Have a good night n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #115

In the future, don't misrepresent what people say Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jan 2014 #193

Enough, you two brush Jan 2014 #172

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #214

Oh...look who's back from their timeout Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #215

Every country is spying on each other....that is not news at all... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #126

He certainly is front page news for the last week flamingdem Jan 2014 #17

I think he wants to come home very badly... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #19

It is winter over there flamingdem Jan 2014 #35

That is indeed food for thought, flamingdem. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #37

Imagine being in a Russian winter...unable to drink. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #59

He can't drink? flamingdem Jan 2014 #63

Comrade Eddie claims adult-onset epilepsy. The number one cause of that is alcoholism. msanthrope Jan 2014 #67

A Bill Frist-style remote diagnosis. What part of law school covers medical diagnoses? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #124

Dude...Comrade Eddie's PR team spoke openly about his illness until they msanthrope Jan 2014 #204

Oh, yes he can. The results aren't pretty, though. He's there for the free-dumbs. BTW, freshwest Jan 2014 #269

LOL. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #121

Wodka or Gin? flamingdem Jan 2014 #127

Wodka that is kept in the freezer! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #131

You guys are funny, in a sad sort of way. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #156

+1 Phlem Jan 2014 #231

So. He controls the news, does he? Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #23

You must be a Libertarian Aerows Jan 2014 #28

and that is the modern day conservative behavior. nt neverforget Jan 2014 #77

Guess who else calls themselves "Progressive"? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #129

oh myyyyy... Hillary considers herself a progressive... Whisp Jan 2014 #147

or perhaps the term Progressive is meaningless... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #151

Yeh, some Progressives want Instant Gratification Whisp Jan 2014 #152

If I remember it correctly...it was Hillary using it...the first time I heard it! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #153

Well, she did work with them (Goldman Sachs) AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #274

Obama is not much like the Clintons Whisp Jan 2014 #275

Well, he is definitely to their right politically AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #279

to their right? Whisp Jan 2014 #280

Very much so AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #291

Of course he's to the right of the Clintons. Why do you think he isn't? n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #298

lol Whisp Jan 2014 #308

TPP, escalation of BushCo's domestic spying, banksters in the WH.... cui bono Jan 2014 #313

Tell me about it. Phlem Jan 2014 #232

Well, this story came back up because the Australian FM said she spies 'for human freedom' muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #40

thank you for that distinction. nt grasswire Jan 2014 #227

...is a monumentally stupid thing to assert. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #161

Libertarians want chaos and disorder Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #191

Where are you getting your ideas about Libertarian beliefs/desires? n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #301

From those same Libertarian dumbasses. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #318

Non-answer, but thanks for playing. cui bono Jan 2014 #319

You seem awfully defensive when it comes to me going after libertarians..... Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #320

Not at all. But you keep avoiding answering my questions, and now you're trying to deflect. cui bono Jan 2014 #321

Yep...very very defensive Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #322

Really? How so? And why are you avoiding answering a simple question? cui bono Jan 2014 #331

Many people here use the word "libertarian' QC Jan 2014 #205

That's not the only similarity to teabaggers. But I disagree with you on using ignore. cui bono Jan 2014 #332

But in secret she has a thing for Snowden. Phlem Jan 2014 #234

Yes, there or here. All the better to install their fascist Koch brothers dystopia. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #271

What? Libertarians want war? Since when? Links please. n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #300

LOL Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #323

See, you have absolutely no answer to that. Why do you bother to post here? cui bono Jan 2014 #324

I touched a nerve, eh? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #325

No, you didn't. That's another little ploy people like you like to use. I'm simply trying to get cui bono Jan 2014 #326

Oh yes I did. It's quite obvious my statement about libertarians has you grinding your teeth Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #327

Yes you did what? Answer my question? Nope. What is this the 5th time you are avoiding it? cui bono Jan 2014 #328

So very defensive of libertarians. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #329

How so? And why do you refuse to answer a simple question? Where you get your info? cui bono Jan 2014 #330

Perhaps Australia shouldn't have been committing illegal acts of espionage LittleBlue Jan 2014 #7

Which Australian law makes the actions illegal?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #12

International laws make it illegal LittleBlue Jan 2014 #20

Hardly Egnever Jan 2014 #123

since when is a "covenant" a law? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #132

How does apply in cases of foreign intelligence? Adrahil Jan 2014 #209

Illegal? Who says so? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #130

Thanks for that. Phlem Jan 2014 #236

what's "reckless and ill-conceived" is the DSD tapping Yudhoyono's phone.... mike_c Jan 2014 #8

well, I learned something about the blogger grasswire Jan 2014 #229

Cesca lives in Hawaii? WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #246

hmmmmmmmm..... grasswire Jan 2014 #333

The Obama fan base is throwing everything at Snowden hoping something finally sticks. Broward Jan 2014 #11

Snowden needs no help from us.... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #160

Why do you call him Eddie? Are you his friend? I believe he goes by Edward. Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #181

I think of him as Eddie Haskell on Leave it to Beaver~ sheshe2 Jan 2014 #183

Now I see why your thoughts are so deep on this subject. cui bono Jan 2014 #302

It is commonplace in criminal enterprises to blame the one who speaks too. Savannahmann Jan 2014 #22

This site is infested with a particularly insidious cadre of posters Maedhros Jan 2014 #78

Damn, that made me laugh mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #86

I can imagine these types interacting with one another: Maedhros Jan 2014 #89

It has indeed, Maedhros! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #182

Did you just make a post demonstrating the exact behavior I was mocking? [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #206

Yes. But since she used the :rofl: smiley she automatically wins the argument. cui bono Jan 2014 #303

Sorry, couldn't help it. Phlem Jan 2014 #237

"Revelations" do NOT "start wars". bvar22 Jan 2014 #36

What are you trying to do dampen the "lynch Snowden" movement? The conservatives among us rhett o rick Jan 2014 #175

And another Thank You bvarr22 Phlem Jan 2014 #240

The revelation is the problem, not the spying. WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #39

A dumping of the documents all over the world is the work of a hero! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #47

Documents were given by Snowden to two individuals (Greenwald and Poitras) Maedhros Jan 2014 #80

I'm pretty sure the answer to your question mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #93

So how do you know for a fact that China and Russia got nothing from the laptops? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #144

That makes...little or no sense.[n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #166

Seriously? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #169

This: Maedhros Jan 2014 #173

You made the claim. bvar22 Jan 2014 #217

What claim? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #251

So how do you know for a fact that China and Russia got anything from the laptops? AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #278

Oh let us be honest here... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #283

Your defense of blanket authoritarianism is duly noted AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #287

As is yours... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #289

I don't defend blanket authoritarianism AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #292

Good for you... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #293

Indeed, good for me AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #294

somehow judicious and GG should Not be in the same sentence. Whisp Jan 2014 #149

Really? So you can show that he has not been judicious? cui bono Jan 2014 #304

Hmmm... don;t think I agree with your use of "judicious." Adrahil Jan 2014 #210

I'm not an imperialist, so I'm not worried about the weakening of our international hegemony Maedhros Jan 2014 #211

First please don't put words in my mouth. Adrahil Jan 2014 #213

you really believe this? Phlem Jan 2014 #241

It's what I want, not what I think is immediately achievable. NT Adrahil Jan 2014 #247

and one person deciding for everyone else what should remain private....is the work of a "hero" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #135

More misinformation Talking Points posted by the defenders of the NSA. bvar22 Jan 2014 #220

Oh really? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #222

Please post links to support your claim. bvar22 Jan 2014 #223

Easy Peasy...see for yourself! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #224

And THAT thread has NOTHING to do with Snowden. bvar22 Jan 2014 #225

it doesn't? hahahaha... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #226

I smell something burning. bvar22 Jan 2014 #228

Uh no....best check your "hero worshipping status" indicator light VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #230

Oh silly bvar... can't you see VR just won the argument? cui bono Jan 2014 #306

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go back to the library. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #258

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I will miss you. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #261

10 internet points to anyone Aerows Jan 2014 #42

I'll raise you 10 for the first picture posted of Paul Revere. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #51

Isn't Sid the one that usually posts that? n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #54

As you know it's~ sheshe2 Jan 2014 #64

Didn't that person Aerows Jan 2014 #65

Thumbdrive has turned into flamingdem Jan 2014 #60

This is how the modern day Paul Revere gets his Kicks: Whisp Jan 2014 #235

You know that gets me going, gotta get up outta my flamingdem Jan 2014 #238

omg lol. you forgot the thumb drive stuck up his ass... Whisp Jan 2014 #233

See #53 above (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #61

So are we going to war with Australia? Or Indonesia? SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #44

War? Australia? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #56

I think we have already chosen sides .... MindMover Jan 2014 #70

Yes, plenty of opportunities in Aussieland. They've been hiring Americans since last year, IIRC. freshwest Jan 2014 #270

The Australian Spying That Might Start a War Fumesucker Jan 2014 #49

Not Widely Reported In The United States Was That We Were LIED Into A War With Iraq... WillyT Jan 2014 #55

This is why secrecy's so critical. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #68

Good Point... WillyT Jan 2014 #79

At least Snowden will get some attention. Turbineguy Jan 2014 #62

On the bonfire of the vanities of media. I keep thinking of that Bond flick with the Murdoch type freshwest Jan 2014 #273

zomg Snowden is going to kills us alllll! Union Scribe Jan 2014 #71

Good, bad or indifferent Politicub Jan 2014 #72

Hyperbolic bullshit. blackspade Jan 2014 #74

Simple remedy. Stop spying. Which is what all the kerfluffle is about, not Snowden's revelations. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #82

So all countries to cease the practice of espionage against other countries? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #84

I agree. Interesting to see a step towards peace. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #85

What would be the mechanism for enforcement? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #87

Well, if nobody's spying, we wouldn't. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #128

Yes, but is it possible to get all all countries in the world to stop spying? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #143

You don't. SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #145

Blamo HangOnKids Jan 2014 #196

Yeah like thats going to happen....good luck! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #136

Certainly won't happen if we allow the likes of the NSA to continue. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #138

is a woman is raped, and there is a person that witnesses it frwrfpos Jan 2014 #94

This excuse has been worn out for months. Yes we would report the crime, we would Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #105

but the crime continues and is supported by the likes of you and others that see no issue with it frwrfpos Jan 2014 #133

Based on your reasoning if you saw a crime of someone breaking in and raping someone you Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #140

If i witnessed a crime I would gather details and expose the criminals frwrfpos Jan 2014 #142

Did I say he had given anything to China or Russia? I said he went to Hong Kong and Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #157

then we both agree he has been falsely charged by the us government frwrfpos Jan 2014 #162

No, the investigators has determined he has stolen files resulting in charges of Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #163

the investigators work for the government that illegally and criminally spied on US citizens frwrfpos Jan 2014 #165

I have to tell you, your dog don't hunt. Just who does Snowden work? Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #168

Im so glad we agree that the NSA is corrupt to the core. frwrfpos Jan 2014 #177

What words did I post which said NSA is corrupt? I did not say nor do I think they are corrupt. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #192

Obama Signs Whistleblower Protection Bill into Law sheshe2 Jan 2014 #176

Exactly, many have worked under a non disclosure, our education was a once a year review. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #194

Obama Whistleblower Prosecutions Lead To Chilling Effect On Press cui bono Jan 2014 #310

false analogy.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #137

spying illegally on Americans is illegal. Rape is illegal frwrfpos Jan 2014 #139

I am appalled that you would have the audacity to compare Eddies leaking documents sheshe2 Jan 2014 #155

its called whistleblowing on criminal activity frwrfpos Jan 2014 #159

Actually no I am not concerned with pole dancing and boxes... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #164

dont know frwrfpos Jan 2014 #167

have you been here before? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #171

have you? frwrfpos Jan 2014 #174

not at all ... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #178

It Is clear she is HangOnKids Jan 2014 #197

Wrong... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #249

Because you say so? HangOnKids Jan 2014 #254

Since I know myself better than you, yes because I said so. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #255

Hysterical much? HangOnKids Jan 2014 #259

Hysterical much? sheshe2 Jan 2014 #263

Nice try. William769 Jan 2014 #264

Hey! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #276

Naw, I'm just giving some of my southern charm that I'm known to be famous for. William769 Jan 2014 #277

Eddie is not a "whistleblower".. Cha Jan 2014 #170

Go get 'em, Cha brush Jan 2014 #179

Excellent analysis, brush.. Cha Jan 2014 #180

More Eddie, huh. Reminds me of when Freeper types refer to the President by his middle name. Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #185

Sorry, you don't like Edward Snowden being refered to as Eddie.. but, that Cha Jan 2014 #187

You work for the State Department now Cha? HangOnKids Jan 2014 #200

Results of jury review: D23MIURG23 Jan 2014 #267

Ha Ha Ha! HangOnKids Jan 2014 #268

Wow, a clean sweep. WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #286

That fits the definition, doesn't it? freshwest Jan 2014 #281

ES.. the venal Cha Jan 2014 #282

Hey, we didn't say it first. GG did. Truth will out. I'm not mad, just sad that this is what is now freshwest Jan 2014 #284

Of course he is a whistleblower. And he will always be a whistleblower in this case cui bono Jan 2014 #288

Authoritarians never, ever blame the authority. Marr Jan 2014 #95

So Marr...where are all those links sheshe2 Jan 2014 #250

Well, here's one that took about 1 minute to find. Marr Jan 2014 #256

about to watch Sotu...so this is fast... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #262

Ah yeah the poster that promoted that trash the Left website ThePeoplesView. neverforget Jan 2014 #265

Thank you for this invaluable information via Bob Cesca, she.. Cha Jan 2014 #101

Great Links! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #109

Loaded for bear! Cha Jan 2014 #148

Interesting thought treestar Jan 2014 #118

Unmitigated bullshit. Australia wants to scape goat Snowden for their impropriety. morningfog Jan 2014 #120

So it's revealing the wrongdoing that's the problem? That's bullshit. Scuba Jan 2014 #141

Responsible custody of sensitive information moondust Jan 2014 #146

As usual, the moment Snowden and leaking arises, defacto7 Jan 2014 #150

How much does HBGary pay you to spew this horseshit? backscatter712 Jan 2014 #188

Cute~ sheshe2 Jan 2014 #190

Just like back Cha Jan 2014 #199

It's more like, "How much ad money did The Daily Bullcrap make from obvious click bait?" Dash87 Jan 2014 #208

"You broke up my marriage, telling my wife I was fucking your wife" TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #189

Good analogy, except the consequence isn't near as drastic (nt) anti partisan Jan 2014 #198

The logic is the same regardless of scale. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #201

Not trying to criticize the logic. My bad. (nt) anti partisan Jan 2014 #203

I looked in Webster's for "grasping at straws" and came up with this article anti partisan Jan 2014 #195

A war? Really? Dash87 Jan 2014 #207

There will be no war AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #272

It's funny that those who condemn Daniel Ellsberg... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #221

And it is the same people pushing the same FUD here over and over. Rex Jan 2014 #239

Well, I'll give them an "A" for persistence, but beyond that... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #242

Well we became very skeptical under the BFEE years, while some came to love the BFEE years. Rex Jan 2014 #243

None of this is news to anyone that has stepped more than eight feet outside of the US border Number23 Jan 2014 #248

Thanks Number23... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #253

FYI the ruling party of Australia is conservative. neverforget Jan 2014 #266

FYI there is no "ruling" party in Australia Number23 Jan 2014 #285

Welcome to Politics 101 anti partisan Jan 2014 #311

If you're going to insert yourself into a conversation, you could at least keep up with it Number23 Jan 2014 #314

Blah blah blah. So what's your point? anti partisan Jan 2014 #315

Again, if you're going to LEAP ass first into a conversation, at least try to keep up with it Number23 Jan 2014 #316

You're not making a point, and then personally attacking to divert that question anti partisan Jan 2014 #317