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33. Like I said 'great minds think alike'. How often have I said 'we need an FDR or an LBJ

Tue Jan 28, 2014, 03:15 AM

Jan 2014

in the WH'? I can't count the number of times. Glad Manny agrees with me but no, I didn't need to see his response to you to say what I have said many times before.

So I'll say it again 'We need a real fighter, like FDR or LBJ to handle these Republicans. No compromising, no 'bi-partisanship'. When you win, YOU set the agenda. That's what winning means. When they make demands you don't like, you just tell them 'I'm the President and you're not'. Then use the power you have in every possible way to defeat them and let them know you will fight them everywhere, every way until they wish they never met you.

Catering to bullies NEVER, EVER works. Bullies RESPECT those who stand up to them. They have zero respect for those who cater to them and only demand more.

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So... cuts to unemployment aid and food stamps [View all] MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 OP

You think tonight is bad legcramp Jan 2014 #1

Outright Savagery 90-percent Jan 2014 #2

+1 n/t Alkene Jan 2014 #73

Stop pretending it's just Republicans. woo me with science Jan 2014 #118

They should borrow money from their parents to go to Business School Jackpine Radical Jan 2014 #124

All they have to do is ask their parents for a loan! AAO Jan 2014 #165

Blame goes on both parties. 840high Jan 2014 #172

Please propose your alternative that the House would actually pass. jeff47 Jan 2014 #3

"I welcome their hatred" MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #4

So you want food stamps to be $0 for the next year. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #7

We've tried it your way for 30 years MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #8

Oh, it has been a complete disaster. jeff47 Jan 2014 #11

We elect tough Liberals MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #12

Actually, yes one does negotiate with hostage takers, unless you want dead hostages jeff47 Jan 2014 #13

What was the outcome when Republicans shut down the government last year MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #15

Game, set, match. n/t ljm2002 Jan 2014 #37

Not at all. See: Unemployment extension. jeff47 Jan 2014 #88

I agree that was total pwnage! Rex Jan 2014 #140

So why did Elizabeth Warren vote for the compromise bill Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #39

I hear... randome Jan 2014 #83

What was the outcome when Republicans refused to extend unemployment? jeff47 Jan 2014 #87

At least with your way, Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #131

Yeah, because they didn't try to separate the food stamps part from the agricultural subsidies. jeff47 Jan 2014 #135

Sigh. Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #202

What an incredibly dumb response. jeff47 Jan 2014 #203

+1 n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #123

"if people bothered to show up" JDPriestly Jan 2014 #130

20% turnout in primaries is "if people bothered to show up" territory. jeff47 Jan 2014 #134

When we Primary an Incumbent, We Usually Lose the Seat AndyTiedye Jan 2014 #178

And? jeff47 Jan 2014 #181

Every Loss makes us Weaker. Every Loss Forces Our Side to Compromise Even More AndyTiedye Jan 2014 #208

Yeah, just like every loss pushed the Republicans left. jeff47 Jan 2014 #209

Both Parties Move Right Every Time they Lose AndyTiedye Jan 2014 #211

+1 El_Johns Jan 2014 #183

Half Right AndyTiedye Jan 2014 #179

There's a reason I included that parenthetical statement. jeff47 Jan 2014 #188

republicans control the house , are you saying some of them were tough liberals ? JI7 Jan 2014 #14

Bulllllllllllllshit! "We" just sit around and bitch and spout winger memes...sounds like straight uponit7771 Jan 2014 #46

BINGO! Rex Jan 2014 #141

The Tea Party is doing it your way right now. Arkana Jan 2014 #204

And executive order can solve that problem. Bush sure had no problem using it. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #17

An executive order to appropriate funds for food stamps and unemployment? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #19

Tell it to Obama: sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #23

You are saying he should disregard the constitution? What constitutionally permissable kelly1mm Jan 2014 #47

No, HE is saying it. I am saying 'don't just say it, sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #49

Yes, I am saying he is just threatening. He can do small things alone, but nothing kelly1mm Jan 2014 #51

He will do what he legally can do Progressive dog Jan 2014 #65

Obama cannot appropriate funds, only Congress can do that....... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #66

He can declare an emergency just as if it was a NATURAL disaster rather than a manmade sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #90

He still can't appropriate funds, even for an actual natural disaster. jeff47 Jan 2014 #95

Well, I used to think they couldn't overturn the Constitution but now I know better. They sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #104

If you want to use that route, then you have to believe the NSA is fine. jeff47 Jan 2014 #105

I haven't seen you complain about the NSA. Maybe I'm mistaken but airc, you have been a sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #107

Well, you could bother to read my other reply to you in this thread - post 100. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #108

The man ordered American citizens to be executed without due process, Maedhros Jan 2014 #114

My exact thought. Murder ok. Food for the needy? No can do, it's unconstitutional! GoneFishin Jan 2014 #185

I had to laugh EastHarlemGayDude Jan 2014 #117

+1 CrispyQ Jan 2014 #133

The Constitution only matters when it presents an obstacle to helping the people TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #153

Some things are yes or no, no in between . It is either unconstitutional or not. It is not kelly1mm Jan 2014 #168

So where do extrajudicial executions of american citizens fall? GoneFishin Jan 2014 #190

Granted, my point remains the same. Perhaps you have some flexibility in areas I'm less quick to TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #197

They know ... It's a common winger meme to I absolve congress of blame for uponit7771 Jan 2014 #53

He can declare an emergency. If they can overturn the Constitution to spy on the American sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #98

"Haven't you argued also for the abandonment of the rule of law?" Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #115

Your proposal is utterly unconstitutional. jeff47 Jan 2014 #89

No my proposal, the President's proposal. Did you say 'Unconstitutional'?? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #96

You can't claim the Constitution is sacrosanct in the NSA case jeff47 Jan 2014 #100

Looks like he's going to do it. The phone meta program has now been declared unconstitutional so sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #158

Heres one......The house will not pass it...... Hotler Jan 2014 #64

Why does he have to come up with such proposals? Are you suggesting that the rhett o rick Jan 2014 #136

If you believe it's possible to pass a better bill jeff47 Jan 2014 #137

I am not convinced that the WH is working very hard to save American jobs. In fact the TPP rhett o rick Jan 2014 #144

When the people finally revolt, it will be stealth, not just riots, that will loudsue Jan 2014 #5

That's why it's so important to GOTV 2014 Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #6

And an FDR like the Dem Congress had. nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #9

There is no Presidential election in 2014 Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #10

Only wingers on mixed boards have been claiming Obama has been acting outiside of uponit7771 Jan 2014 #44

Well we had one for the first two years. zeemike Jan 2014 #16

The numbers Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #21

So many excuses. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #26

Gish gallop. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #28

Well at least that wasn't another excuse! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #38

Bullshit. nt ljm2002 Jan 2014 #40

Exactly. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #41

SOP for that poster...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #76

The only opinion you have, Sid, is you don't like Manny. We get it. We just don't care. Go watch.... marble falls Jan 2014 #93

Oooh, you've cut me to the quick... SidDithers Jan 2014 #106

Maybe he just doesn't like the things Manny says.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #109

Likely, but in this case it seems purely personal. marble falls Jan 2014 #166

Fdr had an 83% congress...Obama had nowhere close to that! winger uponit7771 Jan 2014 #45

Republicans were in the minority in Congress, the House and the WH. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #48

Obama never ever had a controlling majority of progressives in congress like fdr had uponit7771 Jan 2014 #50

Republicans don't have a controlling majority in the Senate. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #52

They don't need it either...do you understand how congress works? uponit7771 Jan 2014 #54

BINGO! There's that truth stuff again... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #58

No, she doesn't. jeff47 Jan 2014 #91

I see, it's just a common Obama = dictator meme that allows conservatives to abslolve themseles from uponit7771 Jan 2014 #113

Seems to describe your position very well too. You flake on the side of power though. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #157

so much truth you just refuse to absorb it is all... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #57

Very nice rebuttal, but you forgot their most prevalent excuse. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #72

What liberals didn't do in 2010 jeff47 Jan 2014 #97

So it's my job to bring a friend to the polls? How about the candidate gives the A Simple Game Jan 2014 #112

So you see no difference between starvation and not starvation. jeff47 Jan 2014 #128

Poor analogy. I see no difference between eating crap and eating food that tastes like crap. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #167

Sure, you have food in your pantry. jeff47 Jan 2014 #184

I never scream there is "no liberal on the ballot" because there usually is. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #195

Nice RWing meme that has been debunked. Rex Jan 2014 #143

Nope. It actually was the left-leaning moderates who didn't turn out. jeff47 Jan 2014 #186

Left-leaning moderates stayed home because they realized they'd voted for another Republican Doctor_J Jan 2014 #173

So your argument is left-leaning moderates are so radical they were upset by a moderate. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #182

In 2010, We Got Outspent up to 4:1 (possibly much more) Because of Citizens United AndyTiedye Jan 2014 #206

This is winger lie that is false on its face uponit7771 Jan 2014 #43

We need an FDR in the WH like that Congress had back then. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #18

Manny said the exact same thing. Thanks. Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #20

Why are you being such a jerk? HangOnKids Jan 2014 #24

It's like a parrot Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #25

You are not clever or cute HangOnKids Jan 2014 #27

I'm not trying to be clever or cute Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #30

Thank GAWD you aren't trying HangOnKids Jan 2014 #32

You can think whatever you want Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #34

... SidDithers Jan 2014 #77

Wrong, it's a case of 'Great Minds Think Alike'! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #29

You didn't see his reply to me? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #31

Like I said 'great minds think alike'. How often have I said 'we need an FDR or an LBJ sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #33

even FREAKING FDR himself couldn't do much with this Congress... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #61

Exactly! ProSense Jan 2014 #84

Did FDR have a Teaparty wing of the Republicans to deal with? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #62

FDR averaged one veto per week MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #63

Maybe Obama ProSense Jan 2014 #92

That's an incredibly useful statistic since Congress won't pass anything. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #94

Its as if they live in an alternate universe.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #111

No shit. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #198

What has the Congress passed for him To Veto? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #110

. ProSense Jan 2014 #160

I have to agree ProSense... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #162

also the democratic congress that fdr had were mostly southern right wingers Doctor_J Jan 2014 #189

And very soon Woo Me will show up with his requisite K&R. tridim Jan 2014 #67

I've seen this show a time or two. Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #199

It hijacks the thread. djean111 Jan 2014 #82

My intention was not to hijack the thread Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #116

That could pretty much be a reply Union Scribe Jan 2014 #163

No what we NEED is that Congress to support the one we have... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #59

You mean they should go along with TPP, KeystoneXL, school corporatization, and "deficit reduction"? Doctor_J Jan 2014 #174

No I mean go along with raising the minimum wage...ending the pay gender gap... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #177

Reagan managed to change the face of the US (for the worse) with a R minority. El_Johns Jan 2014 #55

When a presidents agenda mattered and congress wanted gov to work uponit7771 Jan 2014 #56

More like: Congress gets what it wants done El_Johns Jan 2014 #102

Now, that's the truth. Laelth Jan 2014 #127

Yes, it is. And strange how so many seem to have forgotten that little fact. El_Johns Jan 2014 #180

When are we gonna admit we are fucked? DocMac Jan 2014 #22

They are admitting to being fucked. That's why they are pushing for Hillary. L0oniX Jan 2014 #101

The Long Con BlueLuna743 Jan 2014 #35

"This is not reasonable compromise. It is barbary."... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #36

K&R DeSwiss Jan 2014 #42

i give up on democrats MFM008 Jan 2014 #60

One party, two faces. woo me with science Jan 2014 #120

No truer words. jsr Jan 2014 #68

we need to compromise and enact republican policies frwrfpos Jan 2014 #69

"The Democratic-controlled Senate had passed a bill with $400 million in annual food stamp cuts." ProSense Jan 2014 #70

Cuts also for farmers too in the farm bill JCMach1 Jan 2014 #71

I hope the son's of bitches choke on that fucking wine. lonestarnot Jan 2014 #74

Here: ProSense Jan 2014 #75

I think it is a real fucking stretch to say Obama would be liberal if the Dems controlled Congress. djean111 Jan 2014 #78

No Bi-Partisanship here fredamae Jan 2014 #79

The 1%'ers, wall street and big business workinclasszero Jan 2014 #80

K&R! It's sick savagery! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #81

"Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime." Aristotle handmade34 Jan 2014 #85

MannyGoldstein Diclotican Jan 2014 #86

A lot of us agree entirely with you. Jackpine Radical Jan 2014 #126

Jackpine Radical Diclotican Jan 2014 #196

Elect Clinton ...problem solved. L0oniX Jan 2014 #99

Cacerolazo? I've got my stock pot and my wooden spoon Taitertots Jan 2014 #103

K&R Corruption, cronyism, criminality, and savagery. woo me with science Jan 2014 #119

Cut the corporate profits tax to 21-percent. Octafish Jan 2014 #121

k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Jan 2014 #122

And the beat goes on. Progressives Brace For Disappointment On Trade Policy. totodeinhere Jan 2014 #125

Recently From Robert Reich: abelenkpe Jan 2014 #129

I wonder if the apologists here know anyone Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #132

I seriously doubt it. jsr Jan 2014 #205

kick and recc warrprayer Jan 2014 #138

It is funny Manny, you post on this topic and get over a hundred recs Rex Jan 2014 #139

I think it's because ProSense Jan 2014 #145

I love it when my posts rub the right people the wrong way! Rex Jan 2014 #146

I loved your post. ProSense Jan 2014 #147

I love it when my posts pisses some off so much they have to copycat me! Rex Jan 2014 #148

Hey, ProSense Jan 2014 #149

... Rex Jan 2014 #150

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #151

Yes you often do assume things! Rex Jan 2014 #152

Hey, ProSense Jan 2014 #156

How F'in dare you! obxhead Jan 2014 #142

Change won't come from within. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #154

I like how you think libodem Jan 2014 #155

Kick. n/t louslobbs Jan 2014 #159

but it's BIPARTISAN cuts Doctor_J Jan 2014 #161

Three ProSense Jan 2014 #164

If only there were GOP programs the President could threaten... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #169

Military, farm subsidies, oil company subsidies, ultralow taxes on the wealthiest... MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #170

But Manny, how can this be?!?! The White House and Senate... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #171

The Mighty GOP and their Iron-Clad Gerrymandered House Majority AndyTiedye Jan 2014 #175

Revenue bills require congress. joshcryer Jan 2014 #187

The same way they do. You BLOCK their bills... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #193

And shut down government? joshcryer Jan 2014 #194

What bills? jeff47 Jan 2014 #200

True, they would let it shut down. joshcryer Jan 2014 #201

I know it. Trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of budget items, and every single GoneFishin Jan 2014 #192

It's up to the voters. fadedrose Jan 2014 #176

The vampires are hungry. moondust Jan 2014 #191

so...which is the truth ? NM_Birder Jan 2014 #207

Ah,..austerity.. adavid Jan 2014 #210

Creationism vs Darwinism burfman Feb 2014 #212

That's a very good point. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #213