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nil desperandum

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177. Bill of rights

Tue Jan 28, 2014, 03:27 PM

Jan 2014

I actually like her more for this, from a purely constitutional viewpoint I am concerned that infringement of one amendment leads to infringement of all amendments. Precedent for legislative restrictions on amendments begins with well-intentioned laws that result in unintended consequences.

Restrictions on the 2nd lead to more restrictions on the 1st and 4th which are already under serious pressure.

I don't trust the government to honor any any of the Bill of Rights amendments or the protections offered under those amendments. Defense of the 2nd amendment is not necessarily a defense of senseless violence. In my view it's a sensible defense for the long game with respect to keeping all of our amendments unfettered and unrestricted as much as is possible in this day and age.

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Wendy Davis states support for expansion of gun rights. [View all] Skip Intro Jan 2014 OP

Anyone who's looked at her record should already know this. tammywammy Jan 2014 #1

I knew that about her. I'm not worried. She wouldn't get elected in Texas without it. nt okaawhatever Jan 2014 #2

GIVE MONEY TO BATTLEGROUND TEXAS TODAY stg81 Jan 2014 #137

Who needs their guns at work? Politicalboi Jan 2014 #3

It's not neccesarily about needing it at work linuxman Jan 2014 #14

Yuk. Just Yuk. Just what we need. Another gunner on this board. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #30

Let me fetch you a fainting stool... linuxman Jan 2014 #39

Thanks for the lecture. You've converted me. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #43

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #85

*Yaaaawn* linuxman Jan 2014 #95

To your post telling them to fetch you a fainting stool kcr Jan 2014 #100

Let's be real here. linuxman Jan 2014 #108

That wasn't the first response kcr Jan 2014 #110

I'm here to post about all my relevant interest, linuxman Jan 2014 #118

I just took exception to your claim that all others were the same kcr Jan 2014 #120

I'm not discounting the possibility that they do exist entirely. linuxman Jan 2014 #124

Most would agree? kcr Jan 2014 #126

Most of the users on this site. N/T linuxman Jan 2014 #127

I wish I had a reading of the members of DU like that. kcr Jan 2014 #130

After four whole days here, too.... with their latest account, anyway. Electric Monk Jan 2014 #138

I imagine we often see only that which we wish to, and discount as improbable those things... LanternWaste Jan 2014 #151

What is the other site you have an account on? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #143

A general interest hobby site. linuxman Jan 2014 #145

I've only been reading here a few months MO_Moderate Jan 2014 #154

So you managed to lurk here for 5 years without wanting to post a single comment SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #169

Why? linuxman Jan 2014 #173

Because it's human nature to want to participate, especially if SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #174

Largely because of things like this. linuxman Jan 2014 #175

Enjoy your stay... SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jan 2014 #103

Lotta hate and PERSONAL ATTACK, there. Apologies? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jan 2014 #111

What are you, the DU nanny n/t kcr Jan 2014 #116

Yes! I'll take away your lollipop! Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #162

or as Texas Governor Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #41

Well, this is the gun forum. 'You support Davis? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #58

of course not Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #63

That's ridiculous. Many Democrats support gun rights. Most aren't opposed to background checks, okaawhatever Jan 2014 #71

I do not think I have found one opposed to background checks Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #72

There are several Democrats in the Senate who oppose background checks. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #94

I own several firearms, and am quite open about it. I've never been called "killer, murderer" or... Scuba Jan 2014 #149

Actually this is general discussion Scootaloo Jan 2014 #70

This is what you think of gun-owning Democrats? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #74

the poopy pants comment was probably referring to Mr. draft dodger and NRA official spokesman Ted okaawhatever Jan 2014 #91

Actually, more to do with the perpetual terror that gun goons live in Scootaloo Jan 2014 #101

No. He/she referenced fellow DUers in GC/RKBA. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #102

little bit of generalization Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #77

Well, the big tent happens to have a lot of clowns Scootaloo Jan 2014 #96

Does this mean you won't be supporting Wendy Davis? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #163

When my husband worked nights in an area of E. LA he never carried a gun in his work car... Tikki Jan 2014 #181

I used to work the graveyard shift on a job in the Tampa Bay Area of Florida. ... spin Jan 2014 #73

should never have that option Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #79

I'm so glad the third hand recounting of that anecdote of road rage ended well kcr Jan 2014 #90

I have no idea if something he did caused the road rage. ... spin Jan 2014 #131

"I also became a much more polite driver when I started carrying a firearm in my car." kcr Jan 2014 #133

Many other people that I have known through the years told me that they had become ... spin Jan 2014 #139

Having a permit certainly doesn't make them an angel. Nor does being law abiding kcr Jan 2014 #140

Most mass murderers have waved numerous red flags before they ran amok. ... spin Jan 2014 #142

In stats, Zimmerman is considered a law-abiding citizen who used his gun for self-defense. Hoyt Jan 2014 #147

Zimmerman was not a mass murderer. ... spin Jan 2014 #170

And it also renders your opinion of looket how law abiding all the CCWs are kcr Jan 2014 #172

I have often said that while those who legally carry are not angels ... spin Jan 2014 #178

When gun enthusiast logic looks at data kcr Jan 2014 #179

When a gun control enthusiast looks at the data he often ignores the big picture ... spin Jan 2014 #183

It isn't gun control enthusiasts ignoring the big picture kcr Jan 2014 #184

How does that explain Maine? spin Jan 2014 #185

You may be wrong. They haven't turned up any evidence they knew each other kcr Jan 2014 #168

To me, a red flag is someone who has or wants a gun like this -- Hoyt Jan 2014 #171

He does seem to like Kel-Tec firearms. (n/t) spin Jan 2014 #187

What about people who live in those bad areas? DragonBorn Jan 2014 #180

Good point kcr Jan 2014 #182

Do you live in those areas? How about all the people who use this argument to rationalize Hoyt Jan 2014 #188

I dont anymore, moved about 10 years ago. DragonBorn Jan 2014 #189

A rifle doesn't really bother me. A bunch of them, toting gunz, is a problem IMO. Hoyt Jan 2014 #190

That's the only language assholes understand. jsr Jan 2014 #113

Wow, lots of negative stuff being pushed about Davis davidpdx Jan 2014 #4

sad but Texas is filled with gun nuts Skittles Jan 2014 #5

You mean he's not planning that? GP6971 Jan 2014 #6

they're just stupid paranoid assholes Skittles Jan 2014 #23

Agreed! HERVEPA Jan 2014 #32

All politicians do it GP6971 Jan 2014 #45

That include Davis? Is the gun issue a deal breaker? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #65

So you oppose Wendy Davis? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #106

oh no, absolutely not Skittles Jan 2014 #117

I'm okay with that, but I like her gun stance. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #161

It's Texas, she has to support expansion. 1000words Jan 2014 #7

That all sounds vaguely familiar. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #9

I know, right. 1000words Jan 2014 #11

I don't think any of them have the guts. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #13

That's cute kcr Jan 2014 #15

I'm not so one-issue. I have supported gun-control Democrats... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #28

I'm not one issue. But there are plenty of Dems to support who aren't gun extremists kcr Jan 2014 #33

"So there's no need for me to support one who is." friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #80

Why? I don't live in Texas. kcr Jan 2014 #81

Or in the Twilight Zone, "That does not compute." Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #22

Nice response to arrogance. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #35

Whose 'arrogance?' I didn't see his/her post. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #76

I imagine many less-than-literate individuals expect others to support a candidate's platform 100% LanternWaste Jan 2014 #153

My real concern is what this means for poor Wendy... linuxman Jan 2014 #19

This is the Gun Forum, not a gender group... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #34

Gun Forum? Or did I miss the Sarc ? pkdu Jan 2014 #52

GD = Gun forum defacto7 Jan 2014 #69

Gun related OPs today... sarisataka Jan 2014 #82

Probably not. The story isn't salacious enough. Plus there's supporting gun rights, and supporting okaawhatever Jan 2014 #78

That's why I don't live in Texas n/t kcr Jan 2014 #8

Texas. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #10

Yes. They were forced to get guns. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #20

When in Rome jsr Jan 2014 #12

'Sum things jes need killin' freshwest Jan 2014 #21

I believe she was dove-hunting. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #37

You have a lot of support, Sen. Davis, but if you don't support gun control... FrodosPet Jan 2014 #16

A lot of that in DU. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #18

What? Wendy Davis and Ann Richards are... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #17

yep Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #36

Jeez, how could I miss "future murderers?" Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #42

Don't forget that other gun owner: Gabby Giffords. nt hack89 Jan 2014 #155

who has been traveling the country pushing gun control measures... loyalsister Jan 2014 #166

I know. I agree with her on background checks. hack89 Jan 2014 #167

Boo. And yes, I'll go there. BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #24

No, Texans are just not a terribly brave lot. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #40

Does that include Davis & Richards? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #44

Davis thus far has managed to live her life without a weapon on her geek tragedy Jan 2014 #48

So, she's gonna get her Timid Card� now? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #53

No, she has the courage to walk in public unarmed. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #59

She's seeking a concealed carry permit. Didn't you read the two paragraph OP? Skip Intro Jan 2014 #92

I'll be charitable and consider that pandering to the gun humpers. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #97

how do you know she Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #55

I'm a Texan And Don't Own A Gun MagickMuffin Jan 2014 #144

Texas JI7 Jan 2014 #25

Uh oh LittleBlue Jan 2014 #26

I only wonder . . . Brigid Jan 2014 #27

You have both rights. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #49

I'll believe that . . . Brigid Jan 2014 #67

... X_Digger Jan 2014 #29

Not liking guns in TX is like not liking the Red Sox in Boston. MADem Jan 2014 #31

Meh. A lot of Texans are afraid to walk outside without geek tragedy Jan 2014 #38

Not all. nt Lisa0825 Jan 2014 #46

Obviously there are exceptions. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #50

Then don't say "all." nt Lisa0825 Jan 2014 #54

all does not mean all Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #60

Where did they say "all"? nt cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #156

The post has since been edited. tammywammy Jan 2014 #158

Thanks cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #159

Does that include Davis and Richards? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #47

Really? That's strange. tammywammy Jan 2014 #51

Maybe it's just the men who have these issues. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #57

No. n/t tammywammy Jan 2014 #61

Your remark sounds sexist. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #84

I dunno. Never encountered in real life one of the pants wetting types that geek tragedy Jan 2014 #88

Still sounds sexist. But anything goes when it's about guns, right? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #112

"Anything goes when it's about guns" geek tragedy Jan 2014 #119

Doubling down? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #123

You never met my mom FrodosPet Jan 2014 #146

Unfortunate, but what do we expect from Texas. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #56

Worse was her joining with Republicans to resist paying for education. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #64

that is absolute bullshit. Wendy's first filibuster was to stop a massive education cut. It would okaawhatever Jan 2014 #99

Yeah, she invoked 'closing loopholes' which of course is always the solution geek tragedy Jan 2014 #105

Oh, FFS. If she wasn't serious she wouldn't have filibustered. She also said CORPORATE loopholes okaawhatever Jan 2014 #109

More band aids, smoke and mirrors. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #114

I said I hoped a fix for property tax was part of it. She has only claimed closing corporate tax okaawhatever Jan 2014 #121

"expansion of gun rights" defacto7 Jan 2014 #62

Well, they only legalize murder over property after dark there. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #66

That would be WMD Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #68

"Nukes?" You can make a separate post in GD; I'm sure it'll pass muster. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #83

Uhhh, right. defacto7 Jan 2014 #93

Check #82. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #125

Ahhhh. LOL defacto7 Jan 2014 #128

I think returning guns to the big stage was what the prohibitionists planned. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #150

You're not supposed to make gun posts in GD! It's the rulez! kcr Jan 2014 #129

Likely would have to be open carry sarisataka Jan 2014 #86

Of course not. Why would any rational individual wish to own a nuclear weapon ... spin Jan 2014 #141

That's a shame. liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #75

I back Demos & put up with their gun ban stuff. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #89

She probably NEEDS it! ErikJ Jan 2014 #87

Considering the locals.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #98

Used to see postcards of some kid eating watermelon. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #122

I used to see deer hunting UAW workers in Michigan. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #160

She's running for governor of Texas. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #104

Not really surprising you wouldn't run in support of more control in Texas if you hope to win Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #115

Ruh-roh! CANDO Jan 2014 #132

So? blogslut Jan 2014 #134

Hmmm. Yesss. How curious... Skip Intro Jan 2014 #135

Okay. blogslut Jan 2014 #136

She voted R in the past. She's law-partnered with an R. PDittie Jan 2014 #148

She wouldn't get elected here without saying that. Avalux Jan 2014 #152

Gotta love common sense moderate Democrats MO_Moderate Jan 2014 #157

A liberal with a gun is not a rarity. B Calm Jan 2014 #164

She's doing this in a state where expanded gun ownership will do little harm Bucky Jan 2014 #165

Bill of rights nil desperandum Jan 2014 #177

More popcorn required.. X_Digger Jan 2014 #186