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184. I really think you are lacking the big picture view on this subject.

Tue Jan 28, 2014, 04:04 PM

Jan 2014

When it comes to murder it is absolutely not cut and dry. It's not like someone just walks up to someone else and thinks I'm poor so I think I'll kill someone today. I mean really, come on. Surely you can see how poverty and lack of education and opportunity pushes people into a life of crime.

I'm not sure you would get it unless you actually had to live the life of a black person growing up in poverty in the inner city. You can be thankful you obviously don't have that life. But you should try at the very least to sympathize with those who do and who don't have the same promise of a decent future that most white people do, and who live their lives having to deal with being under suspicion all of the time, almost every waking moment, and who have to wonder if they are going to be beaten, arrested or even killed during a routine traffic stop, by the officer who pulls them over.

Open your eyes and your mind. Please.

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WV man, white, 62, shoots, kills two black brothers, 60 & 61, for visiting their own property [View all] Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2014 OP

Sad, but not surprising. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #1

+1. Hoyt Jan 2014 #5

Or you know.... ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #6

There's a gun shop near me that puts videos on Internet. One video Hoyt Jan 2014 #8

Do you have a link exboyfil Jan 2014 #48

Seconded (nt) JJChambers Jan 2014 #53

Here's what I found. atreides1 Jan 2014 #157

Yeah Hoyt, I'm calling bs, too. pintobean Jan 2014 #55

You wade through bigoted videos at Moss Pawn and Gun. Hoyt Jan 2014 #70

Still waiting JJChambers Jan 2014 #73

I gave you name of place, they have a bunch of videos that I bet Hoyt Jan 2014 #74

That's what I thought (nt) JJChambers Jan 2014 #75

Found one geomon666 Jan 2014 #97

Where did they go? Hoyt Jan 2014 #98

Looks like all the little gunners and Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #123

LMAO. Too busy clutching their gunz. Hoyt Jan 2014 #142

Let's give them another chance. Maybe they just haven't seen it yet, so I'll kick this back to pg 1. Electric Monk Jan 2014 #167

Yeah, I saw it. pintobean Jan 2014 #168

Maybe you could provide some links to gun stores that promote liberal causes. Hoyt Jan 2014 #170

Maybe not. pintobean Jan 2014 #171

Exactly, gun stores by and large cater to racist, white wingers. Hoyt Jan 2014 #172

Of course you believe that. pintobean Jan 2014 #174

I'd say well over 50%. Otherwise, you'd see gun stores catering to the progressive crowd. Hoyt Jan 2014 #175

Transcript from 5:08 to 5:17 Electric Monk Jan 2014 #99

Yeah how can anybody think that's a good thing to say? hollowdweller Jan 2014 #189

ow NoGOPZone Jan 2014 #186

See post #97. Electric Monk Jan 2014 #102

Looks like it's downthread. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #124

hey, where did you go? you demanded some evidence and Hoyt gave you what you asked for? CreekDog Mar 2014 #199

there isn't much diversity in most organizations Kali Jan 2014 #59

Sorry, been to enough gun shows, stores, ranges, etc., to know bigoted yahoos are vast majority of Hoyt Jan 2014 #66

So JJChambers Jan 2014 #67

Just did JC. Get back with us after you get your jollies. Hoyt Jan 2014 #71

Do you still own a gun or when did you get rid of the last one? snooper2 Jan 2014 #144

making stuff up again Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #77

I have a hard time believing that one too. nt 7962 Jan 2014 #93

Oops. Guess you were wrong. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #176

Yep, I see he posted a video. That one guy ought to go to jail just for the beard. nt 7962 Jan 2014 #182

See post #97, then you can apologize to Hoyt for calling him a liar. Electric Monk Jan 2014 #100

Very good article. Thank you for posting that. Number23 Jan 2014 #27

Dupe - More rocktivity Jan 2014 #2

Thank the NRA and ReTHUGs for tolerating this shite malaise Jan 2014 #3

I hadn't realized the victims were black. Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #4

Same here. KeepItReal Jan 2014 #14

Me too. n/t GP6971 Jan 2014 #44

But the shooter could recognize they were black through his scope. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #108

Me neither - wasn't clear during yesterday's coverage hatrack Jan 2014 #114

this guy is typical of most gun people JI7 Jan 2014 #7

What are "gun people" pintobean Jan 2014 #17

the shooter in the OP JI7 Jan 2014 #21

Gun people are those that will try to change the subject of a thread A Simple Game Jan 2014 #38

Threads go off topic all the time. pintobean Jan 2014 #41

and there you go... RetroLounge Jan 2014 #49

Go find a post of mine in the gungeon. pintobean Jan 2014 #52

"Your asking about the ones..." RetroLounge Jan 2014 #54

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You're right, I was just being silly, now let's all try to get back on subject. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #128

Buy up all the bullets. pintobean Jan 2014 #137

Do you hate the people on DU that acknowledge there is a gun problem as much A Simple Game Jan 2014 #139

It was a joke. I don't hate anyone. pintobean Jan 2014 #140

Of course it was a joke, how unperceptive of me. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2014 #145

Here pintobean Jan 2014 #160

And so you prove me right once again, do anything to prevent harm to the ability to buy guns. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2014 #162

Lol. pintobean Jan 2014 #163

Lol? No not lol, maybe you don't care, you don't seem to, but people are dying, every day! n/t A Simple Game Jan 2014 #165

So... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #61

That's a really stupid statement. It adds nothing to any serious discussion. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #62

I'm a gun person hollowdweller Jan 2014 #191

Yes! kcr Jan 2014 #198

LOL at the Sheriff saying race had nothing to do with it.... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #9

Yeah right hollowdweller Jan 2014 #192

murder...plain and simple noiretextatique Jan 2014 #10

Dammit, two nice men minding *their own* business, on *their own* property. freshwest Jan 2014 #11

Wait just a minute. You mean shooting someone at 100 yards with a high rhett o rick Jan 2014 #12

I WUZ SKURRED! Scootaloo Jan 2014 #13

Peeps gotta do something with all that sniper preparation. Hoyt Jan 2014 #72

Well, they were kind of suspicious looking AAO Jan 2014 #15

The shooter looks black too.. butterfly77 Jan 2014 #29

Maybe the op has been updated since you typed that, MH1 Jan 2014 #30

I'm looking at the edits and it looks like the same picture kcr Jan 2014 #34

He looks white to me nt LiberalElite Jan 2014 #32

maybe you just saw the 2 brothers pics ? the shooter looks white , not even mixed, just white JI7 Jan 2014 #43

What? You need to adjust the brightness and contrast on your monitor then. cui bono Jan 2014 #82

Huh? hatrack Jan 2014 #115

Assuming the facts are all correct, Jenoch Jan 2014 #16

Yup. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #28

Right, and I hope the killer gets life. nt raccoon Jan 2014 #122

In his warped mind it did n/t doc03 Jan 2014 #47

I knew the US was in the toilet back in the 90s when I saw a gun shop right valerief Jan 2014 #18

We have gun shows at the local High School gym riversedge Jan 2014 #106

I don't know. I don't look for gun shows or high schools. nt valerief Jan 2014 #161

Old men HockeyMom Jan 2014 #19

That's How Guns are Marketed ninjanurse Jan 2014 #25

Oh thanks for stereotyping anyone 61 years old as being doc03 Jan 2014 #56

I don't care if you are an old woman, I resent that remark. I am almost 66 doc03 Jan 2014 #51

Maybe POWERFUL HockeyMom Jan 2014 #158

:( tofuandbeer Jan 2014 #20

Here's the image of the murder victims. pintobean Jan 2014 #22

Yup, I can tell these guys were gangster thugs just by looking at them. Deep13 Jan 2014 #39

Garrick and Carl look terribly threatening, not like the nice man with the rifle. "Good guys with Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #23

He didn't like blacks near him, I suppose. He'll be educated about that in prison. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #24

I'm sure Mr Black was an ordinary law abiding gun owner until this past weekend. Lucky Luciano Jan 2014 #26

Why the need to point out the killers race? Was it done with the mall shooter OP or their victims? 7962 Jan 2014 #31

go ahead heaven05 Jan 2014 #37

Since no stats will be true according to you, it might be tough to prove anything to you. 7962 Jan 2014 #50

Took the words out of my mouth AnalystInParadise Jan 2014 #60

right heaven05 Jan 2014 #130

So now AnalystInParadise Jan 2014 #196

The only way for his argument to be right is for everything else to be made up and me be a liar. 7962 Jan 2014 #197

Whites get away with it a lot more, stand your ground laws were pushed by Hoyt Jan 2014 #101

And this crime will have nothing to do with "SYG". He'll never be allowed to use that as a defense. 7962 Jan 2014 #111

look heaven05 Jan 2014 #129

Wow AnalystInParadise Jan 2014 #58

like i said heaven05 Jan 2014 #131

He shot them because he is white and they were black. Deep13 Jan 2014 #40

Nowhere in the article does it state him saying any such thing. 7962 Jan 2014 #42

So? nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #79

So?... You stated your "opinion" as a fact, and its not evidenced in the article or any other. 7962 Jan 2014 #88

Wow... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #63

Recognizing that racism exists is not the same as ... Deep13 Jan 2014 #85

Well and good... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #107

Really? linuxman Jan 2014 #64

I'm not going to argue with someone with a clearly limited understanding of history. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #83

Well... linuxman Jan 2014 #89

Yes, and history shows that blacks are much, much more likely to kill whites than vice versa. 7962 Jan 2014 #91

you really need to study more heaven05 Jan 2014 #152

Man, it must be tough to have a chip that size on your shoulder! 7962 Jan 2014 #173

all my rebuttals to your woeful ignorance heaven05 Jan 2014 #187

A true racist still wouldnt vote for obama,like those who wouldnt accept a black doctor 7962 Jan 2014 #188

and that history is still marching heaven05 Jan 2014 #132

I have to say I agree with you. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #148

If he were a REAL gun nut, race wouldn't have mattered, he'd have shot the two hughee99 Jan 2014 #68

Gun nuts are so because they fear the Other... Deep13 Jan 2014 #80

Old white gun nuts could fear anyone. hughee99 Jan 2014 #84

You don't actually have any evidence for that assertion, do you? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #105

because many think it's ok for white guys to shoot black people because some other black person JI7 Jan 2014 #46

Nailed it with this line: cui bono Jan 2014 #87

Accurate. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #109

Crime stats or arrests/conviction stats? cui bono Jan 2014 #86

OMG, read what I posted. Dont change the subject. 7962 Jan 2014 #120

Re: Post 120 Eve60 Jan 2014 #169

I could name folks, but you'd just say I googled it. 7962 Jan 2014 #178

Let's say what you say is true, even without you providing stats. cui bono Jan 2014 #181

FBI statistics. There are links provided as well as stories citing the same. 7962 Jan 2014 #183

I really think you are lacking the big picture view on this subject. cui bono Jan 2014 #184

He never tried to shoot any of the white intheflow Jan 2014 #95

Race matters, especially in this case. morningfog Jan 2014 #112

If you think their being black did not have anything to do with this white asshole deciding to shoot CBGLuthier Jan 2014 #117

Right on cue. Iggo Jan 2014 #127

I Do Not See Why You Are Upset erpowers Jan 2014 #134

LOL. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #179

My guess druidity33 Jan 2014 #190

this is really sickening heaven05 Jan 2014 #33

Did Black know the property had been sold? siligut Jan 2014 #35

But they were suspicious-looking, being all black and all. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #36

black men. . .shot? by a white guy? Standing his ground on someone else's property Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2014 #45

Looks like an open-and-shut case of murder (unless Black is severely mentally ill). Vattel Jan 2014 #65

Murder one, guilty, next. linuxman Jan 2014 #69

I'm going to guess that race was a factor in this one n/t taught_me_patience Jan 2014 #76

Interesting because I didn't get that the victims were black from the other thread on this. cui bono Jan 2014 #78

Because the writer of this OP decided to make that the issue. Its not mentioned in the article; 7962 Jan 2014 #92

Well it's pretty clear the murderer was racist based on where they all were when he chose cui bono Jan 2014 #94

Of course its a problem. Its a problem in most countries. But its a minority of thought here. 7962 Jan 2014 #110

You're right. We shouldn't blame racism. Racism is awesome. morningfog Jan 2014 #113

Thats very mature of you. Where have I defended racism? Racists are a boil on society. 7962 Jan 2014 #118

The focus should be the crime, the racist killing of two morningfog Jan 2014 #125

I'll add this: morningfog Jan 2014 #126

And the fact that the shooter was white and the victims black doesnt make it a race crime. 7962 Jan 2014 #135

"minority of thought" heaven05 Jan 2014 #133

What makes this a crime cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #147

jaysus. what a load of crap. let's parse, shall we? the guy looks capable of shooting anyone? cali Jan 2014 #164

By that, I meant that he shot them from inside his house, never went out, never said anything, 7962 Jan 2014 #166

You are making false conclusions when you reverse the scenario. cui bono Jan 2014 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author ecstatic Jan 2014 #159

Trespassing is not a capital offense, even if it had occurred. Warpy Jan 2014 #81

Trespass alone is no grounds for gunfire. flvegan Jan 2014 #90

I agree with everyrhing you wrote Jenoch Jan 2014 #96

Has the killer claimed he was standing his ground and afraid workinclasszero Jan 2014 #103

"claimed he was stopping a break-in on what he said was his property" from the OP. nt Electric Monk Jan 2014 #104

No, just "stopping a break in" on what wasnt even his property. Dont think he can use SYG. 7962 Jan 2014 #121

you're being disingenuous heaven05 Jan 2014 #136

Horsehockey. I didnt look. Now I have and he cant use it as a defense. 7962 Jan 2014 #138

well at least heaven05 Jan 2014 #141

SMH Mr Dixon Jan 2014 #116

rescind the 2nd amendment, now! n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #119

I think I'm going to throw up. warrior1 Jan 2014 #143

Local paper write up PRETZEL Jan 2014 #146

So even if this delusional gun humper thought he owned this property workinclasszero Jan 2014 #149

No PRETZEL Jan 2014 #150

Hey were they wearing hoodies? workinclasszero Jan 2014 #156

RE: THE ISSUE IS RACISM NOT GUN CONTROL Eve60 Jan 2014 #151

RE: THE ISSUE IS RACISM NOT GUN CONTROL Eve60 Jan 2014 #154

This is not about race Tracey74 Jan 2014 #193

How can you say it is not about race - TBF Jan 2014 #194

You joined DU to defend this guy? pintobean Jan 2014 #195

Agree. Welcome to DU! cui bono Jan 2014 #185

Racist old fart. HappyMe Jan 2014 #153

If you're using a scope, you're "hunting", not "protecting". n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #155

Assassinating. pintobean Jan 2014 #180