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bvar22

(39,909 posts) Tue Jan 28, 2014, 07:19 PM Jan 2014

Historically, there have been authoritarian societies that placed Party Loyalty above all else. [View all]

These authoritarian Societies have some characteristics in common:

*They have all had a Father Figure to which they pledged complete allegiance.

*They have placed Party Loyalty above Good Policy and Fairness.

*They have all attacked the Whistle Blowers and Critics,
considering the critics as disloyal to the Party

*They have ALL ended badly.

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Historically, there have been authoritarian societies that placed Party Loyalty above all else. [View all] bvar22 Jan 2014 OP

This time is different. Throd Jan 2014 #1

In other words, if you see somethin', SAY somethin' derby378 Jan 2014 #2

Ray-gun and his 11th Commandment were the epitome of this group-think. Scuba Jan 2014 #3

where's YOUR proof? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #4

My "proof" is in the History Books. bvar22 Jan 2014 #7

Oh I am quite familiar...I also smell B.S. very well too! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #8

You are "familiar" with the History Books? bvar22 Jan 2014 #22

No review needed...I reject your assessment out of hand that THIS is one! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #25

Making stuff up again? Well, that IS easier, I guess. bvar22 Jan 2014 #35

YOU did...stop denying it! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #47

Do you really believe that this statement: bvar22 Jan 2014 #129

what I believe is that YOU called the U.S. an Authoritarian state... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #132

Here's... bvar22 Jan 2014 #134

no YOU are the one with the "The U.S. is an Authoritarian Society" card VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #135

You have FAILED to post a link to where I called the US an "Authoritarian Society". bvar22 Jan 2014 #148

+1. Protesting too much maybe? GoneFishin Jan 2014 #122

I think we should have a new rule, the first one to say "Rand Paul" loses. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #45

I think the ones without the guts to Progressive dog Jan 2014 #61

why? Does it upset your constitution? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #69

No because it shows that the discussion has come to an end. Desperation has set in rhett o rick Jan 2014 #104

Yeah for you.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #105

Yes, since you asked, it does 'upset' our Constitution, and yes, when something sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #136

I said "YOURS" ....that word has more than one meaning VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #137

I have no journalistic experience. But thanks. However when someone on a sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #141

rioght..... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #143

You need to have scary guy to herd people the way you want them to go. zeemike Jan 2014 #95

not sure what you are saying ...but okay whatever... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #108

+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #118

That's an odd thing to say Oilwellian Jan 2014 #34

I didn't say it...I am making fun of it! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #109

Now that was funny! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #107

Freedom for supporters of the government only, for members of one party only,... Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #5

are you saying that folks here who support Obama OKNancy Jan 2014 #6

this is EXACTLY what they suggest... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #10

Oh you better believe much of the hate is directed at Obama Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #11

Well for some yes you are absolutely right... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #16

Yeah, those 'leftie, commie hippies' who 'hate America'. Is that who you are sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #138

So, you're asking someone to violate DU terms of service? Pathwalker Jan 2014 #144

and I am too smart for her....thanks!! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #147

Excuse me? IF there is someone on this forum who has expressed hatred for the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #149

Uh huh. LOL. Pathwalker Jan 2014 #152

So there is no hatred on DU for this president as she claimed. Thank you, I didn't sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #155

did I say that? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #145

Did you say what? You said that there are people on DU who have expressed sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #150

pay attention.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #151

If you say "you didn't watch the SOTU" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #153

Are you mistaking me for someone else? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #156

If you haven't seen the Pres. Obama hatred at DU.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #146

Like teenagers who resent ANY form of authority. Heck, like 2 year olds….. KittyWampus Jan 2014 #12

exactly like that.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #18

nah... mike_c Jan 2014 #14

actually ....no it isn't. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #19

What is rediculous is your pathetic Strawman. bvar22 Jan 2014 #13

still ridiculous OKNancy Jan 2014 #17

There are certainly fascists on DU. Scootaloo Jan 2014 #29

Are there any racist "fascists"? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #30

More than a couple, yes. Scootaloo Jan 2014 #32

There are no fascists on D.U. ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #93

If that's what you want to believe, go ahead Scootaloo Jan 2014 #97

Good policy and fairness fadedrose Jan 2014 #9

There's a frame of reference issue. Igel Jan 2014 #66

Excellent reply. Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #78

Great post. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #125

Don't whine when President Paul signs the liberal hunting permits into law, then. baldguy Jan 2014 #15

BINGO! There's that truth stuff again... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #20

Making stuff up again? bvar22 Jan 2014 #21

But demonizing people who *support* the Party is A-OK? baldguy Jan 2014 #23

I can support the party and still be critical of how the party does things derby378 Jan 2014 #27

But Democrats don't believe in alienating other good Democrats by calling them authoritarians. baldguy Jan 2014 #31

..But YOUR attacks on the "Liberal Democrats" is meant to bring everyubody together? bvar22 Jan 2014 #82

"Liberal Democrats" who channel Rand Paul aren't liberal Democrats. baldguy Jan 2014 #86

"liberal democrats" who support Rand Paul noiretextatique Jan 2014 #124

And yet they continue to be allowed to post here on DU. baldguy Jan 2014 #160

like racist, sexist, homophobic trolls noiretextatique Feb 2014 #163

For your edification baldguy Feb 2014 #164

NO that is NOT what this was is it? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #39

Making stuff up again. bvar22 Jan 2014 #130

Right there plain for all to see... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #131

I think you bank too hard on Paul being the only alternative. Scootaloo Jan 2014 #36

Not "banking on it" either...simply making the appropriate comparison to VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #40

Naw, either Paul would go down a different road to dystopia Scootaloo Jan 2014 #48

I would suggest Somalia! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #51

What the fuck do you have against Somalians? Scootaloo Jan 2014 #52

Good point....but imagine their consternation at him or Michelle Bachmann... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #57

Bachman in Somalia? Scootaloo Jan 2014 #60

well she is dumb as a whole box of them! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #65

Now thats just rediculous quakerboy Jan 2014 #43

I see the dissent from those who criticize the president less as a throwing the party under the bus Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #80

Then why continually cast supporters of the Democratic Party as fascists? baldguy Jan 2014 #99

Hyperbolic bullshit. blackspade Jan 2014 #94

If you're worried about invoking the authoritarian boogeyman, talk to the OP. baldguy Jan 2014 #98

Authoritarians gets mad when called out into the sunlight. Rex Jan 2014 #114

We saw it under the BFEE, sadly a certain few like to pretend that never happened. Rex Jan 2014 #113

As if that would ever happen. JVS Jan 2014 #119

Agreed LordGlenconner Jan 2014 #139

But those leaders weren't *magic* BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #24

Does Nostradamus want to make a prediction? JoePhilly Jan 2014 #26

"They have all had a Father Figure to which they pledged complete allegiance. " ProSense Jan 2014 #28

I never follow party blindly and never Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #33

There should be a balance. Without SOME party loyalty we have no party and pampango Jan 2014 #37

Yep, and it ain't a pretty picture quinnox Jan 2014 #38

but we do not even come close to those repressive regimes... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #41

not yet, but there are troubling signs we may be headed that way quinnox Jan 2014 #42

No actually the future looks bright.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #44

I have no idea what your first sentence refers to or means, but for many of us, believe it or not quinnox Jan 2014 #49

the Leader of N Korea VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #53

Yes - once we created the Department of Homeland Security Maedhros Jan 2014 #55

When the term "homeland" stops being used, and we go back to "America" or the USA, then I will take quinnox Jan 2014 #63

Actually the NSA goes back to the very early 1900's but you will overlook that! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #67

I'm searching your post for relevance, and am finding none. Maedhros Jan 2014 #89

I like to sneer at those who hold foolish notions... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #100

Which one are you referring to? nt Progressive dog Jan 2014 #46

The twice elected Democratic president is, of course, a fascist Fuhrer figure, like OBVI!!! alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #50

Thank you nt Progressive dog Jan 2014 #56

The twice elected Democratic president is, of course, a saint God like figure, like OBVI!!! zeemike Jan 2014 #103

The contemporary USA is specifically excluded from the OP, bvar22 Jan 2014 #133

There is no authority worthy of respect... hunter Jan 2014 #54

i think there is ample proof that loyalty has as often been put to good use mopinko Jan 2014 #58

When you have to go along or else, it's not democracy. Octafish Jan 2014 #59

The U.S.A. has no glorious origins. It's always been rotten. hunter Jan 2014 #116

That's exactly right. We've had to fight for our most important rights. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #126

recommend frwrfpos Jan 2014 #62

The Democratic Party can kiss my ass whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #64

You do realize the name of this forum right? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #70

Save your armband for the weak minded n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #71

I have no armband...sorry to disappoint you! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #72

I support progressive politicians whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #74

So who are you saying does around here? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #76

I'm not whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #79

Uh Zell Miller? and Joe Lieberman is independent... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #81

Nice obfuscation whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #83

Joe was the fucking vice presidential cadidate for the Democrats JEB Jan 2014 #84

VR wants to wish that democrat into the cornfield whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #88

WAS not IS.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #85

"Was not Is" is a meaningless distinction in the context of our conversation whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #87

No it's not...and No I don't VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #101

You do realize what that name means, don't you? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #140

Yes I do...the real question is...do YOU? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #142

We should be thankful for our whistle blowers JEB Jan 2014 #68

I place loyalty to ideas and an interest in people above all else. Right now, the only party bluestate10 Jan 2014 #73

I guess it's okay, then, LWolf Jan 2014 #75

Don't forget, misogyny. MsPithy Jan 2014 #77

Yeah---I'll remember that the next time the pro-Assangists tell me how the rapist in the msanthrope Jan 2014 #92

Non sequitur. MsPithy Jan 2014 #112

I've been gone all day, but bvar22 is correct KauaiK Jan 2014 #90

thanks, great recommendations quinnox Jan 2014 #96

It's simplistic understanding of history to say that it repeats itself mythology Jan 2014 #106

Yeah this is all about what the govt. is doing to Snowden's life... bobduca Jan 2014 #110

FYI: This is also source for term political correctness on point Jan 2014 #91

Fortunately, that can't happen today. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #102

And...there was the long McCarthy and Hoover Era in recent history KoKo Jan 2014 #111

And funny how people forget the BFEE was real and fucked us up totally. Rex Jan 2014 #115

Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #117

yep unreadierLizard Jan 2014 #120

What a load. Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #121

K & R GoneFishin Jan 2014 #123

K&R!!! Puzzledtraveller Jan 2014 #127

I seem to remember reading something about that. NaturalHigh Jan 2014 #128

Of societies that have ended, please name one that hasn't ended badly? lapfog_1 Jan 2014 #154

That is an interesting point. bvar22 Jan 2014 #157

Yes, as societies descend to chaos or decline lapfog_1 Jan 2014 #158

K&R woo me with science Jan 2014 #159

True. jsr Jan 2014 #161

The use of whistle blower began with My Lai in the sixties Progressive dog Jan 2014 #162