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29. We've known this for a while via the RW Authoritarian Follower theory. Those who aren't familiar
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 11:41 AM
Mar 2012

with the concept can google it and find some pretty decent explanations. What they won't find, at least I haven't found, is how to deal with these people.

If you can't reach someone with facts, then what? Actually, Fox has shown that you deal with them through fear and anger mongering. But how does that help us in the cause of getting the RWAFs to come to their senses and accept reality?

My fear is that they are lost to the world of reason and more and more people seem to be getting sucked into the void.

Authoritarian followers (Right Wing Authoritarians/RWAs) Excerpt

Once someone becomes a leader of the high RWAs' in-group, he can lie with impunity about the out-groups, himself, whatever, because he knows the followers will seldom check on what he says, nor will they expose themselves to people who set the record straight. Furthermore they will not believe the truth if they somehow get exposed to it, and if the distortions become absolutely undeniable, they will rationalize it away and put it in a box. If the scoundrel's duplicity and hypocrisy lands him on the front page of every daily in the country, the followers will still forgive him if he just says the right things. [Book 2006] The Authoritarians” by Bob Altemeyer p.100

And while most Americans came to realize what a mistake the war in Iraq has turned out to be, high RWAs lagged far behind. They listen to the news they want to hear. They surround themselves with people who think like they do. They believe the leaders who tell them what they want to be told. They make about as much effort to get both sides of an issue as the Bush administration does to foster different points of view within the White House. And if six high RWAs are sitting in a room talking about the war, and all six now have misgivings, it will still be hard for any of them to say so because the ethic of group solidarity is so strong in the authoritarian mind.

Is there any conceivable evidence or revelation that will lead them to admit the war was a mistake? I suspect some of them will eventually, begrudgingly reach that point, and others will rewrite their personal histories and say they had their doubts from the start. But others, petrified by their dogmatism, will never admit the undeniable. [Book 2006] The Authoritarians” by Bob Altemeyer p.99

It's easy to see why authoritarian followers would be dogmatic, isn't it? When you haven't figured out your beliefs, but instead absorbed them from other people, you're really in no position to defend them from attack. Simply put. you don 't know why the things you believe are true. Somebody else decided they were, and you're taking their word for it. So what do you do when challenged?

Well first of all you avoid challenges by sticking with your own kind as much as possible, because they're hardly likely to ask pointed questions about your beliefs. But if you meet someone who does, you'll probably defend your ideas as best you can, parrying thrusts with whatever answers your authorities have pre-loaded into your head. If these defenses crumble, you may go back to the trusted sources. They probably don't have to give you a convincing refutation of the anxiety-producing argument that breached your defenses, just the assurance that you nonetheless are right. But if the arguments against you become overwhelming and persistent, you either concede the point—which may put the whole lot at risk—or you simply insist you are right and walk away, clutching your beliefs more tightly than ever.

That's what authoritarian followers tend to do. And let's face it, it's an awfully easy stand to take. You have to know a lot nowadays to stake out an intelligent, defendable position on many issues. But you don't have to know anything to insist you're right, no matter what. Dogmatism is by far the best fall-back defense, the most impregnable castle, that ignorance can find. It's also a dead give-away that the person doesn't know why he believes what he believes. [Book 2006] The Authoritarians” by Bob Altemeyer p.93

The full article: http://www.whale.to/b/authoritarian_followers.html

Two other good articles describing the concept:
An Analysis of the Right-Wing Authoritarian Follower (RWA): Insight into the Tea Party and Congressional Gridlock[100*7]
http://myesoteric.hubpages.com/hub/An-Analysis-of-the-Right-Wing-Authoritarian-Follower-RWA

and

The Right-Wing Id Unzipped: Excerpt

Here again we see the paradoxical nature of the authoritarian personality: rebelling against authority while hungering for it - exactly as the contemporary right wing fancies it is rebelling against big government while calling for intrusive social legislation and militarism. In the midst of dire economic circumstances, why do they expend inordinate energy brooding over contraception, abortion, abstinence education, gay marriage and so forth and attempt to transform their obsessions into law? Reich said:

The formation of the authoritarian structure takes place through the anchoring of sexual inhibition and sexual anxiety.... The result of this process is fear of freedom and a conservative, reactionary mentality. Sexual repression aids political reaction not only through this process which makes the mass individual passive and unpolitical but also by creating in his structure an interest in actively supporting the authoritarian order. The suppression of natural sexual gratification leads to various kinds of substitute gratifications. Natural aggression, for example, becomes brutal sadism which then is an essential mass-psychological factor in imperialistic wars.

http://www.truth-out.org/right-wing-id-unzipped/1329147417

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Unlike the Founders, most Americans have forgotten the horrors of institutionalized religion. Selatius Mar 2012 #1
If you were of the wrong denomination quaker bill Mar 2012 #2
True but mackattack Mar 2012 #4
That is why the Constitutional Convention was held there quaker bill Mar 2012 #43
True and evilhime Mar 2012 #52
"Drive them insane"? mwb970 Mar 2012 #3
Now that was funny tinymontgomery Mar 2012 #6
DUzy!!! Odin2005 Mar 2012 #14
I thought that horse had left the barn a long time ago. emsimon33 Mar 2012 #36
Hell, it's a gimme! 11 Bravo Mar 2012 #38
Or just turn the key & back out of the garage HarveyDarkey Mar 2012 #46
You need a secret decoder liberal brain, otherwise NAO Mar 2012 #5
Thanks for this link, I hadn't heard about SamG Mar 2012 #7
Just read the links and a few abstracts... ewagner Mar 2012 #16
Yeah, I read the whole article SamG Mar 2012 #20
We've known this for a while via the RW Authoritarian Follower theory. Those who aren't familiar lib_wit_it Mar 2012 #29
"Republican Brain" is newest in batch of books on cognitive psychology of political orientation NAO Mar 2012 #34
Great links, I have only skimmed one of those before this. SamG Mar 2012 #45
Thanks for notice of this dballance Mar 2012 #10
There is a book called 'The Republican Brain'? LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #18
Thanks, I needed a Facebook Status get the red out Mar 2012 #8
They are actually speaking against Nationalization of Religion and the Institution. harun Mar 2012 #9
That's true. In other words, they wanted a wall of sorts Bruce Wayne Mar 2012 #11
Politicans and Preachers Llaovell Mar 2012 #30
Paine was an atheist _ed_ Mar 2012 #22
Yes, a deist god, not a Christian one longship Mar 2012 #25
The ones quoted were Deists. white_wolf Mar 2012 #47
K&R Odin2005 Mar 2012 #12
hehehe SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #13
I wonder what Rev. Martin Luther King would have thought of it? OPOS Mar 2012 #24
Try harder. Rev. King was foursquare against a state religion. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #44
This Certainly Shows How Strongly DallasNE Mar 2012 #15
good post...n/t ewagner Mar 2012 #17
As most do you have cherry picked quotes. former9thward Mar 2012 #19
Really? cali Mar 2012 #23
Really. former9thward Mar 2012 #31
No Icicle Mar 2012 #37
Of course if it was as simple as you state former9thward Mar 2012 #39
Do you then believe that states can adopt their own official religions? Hugabear Mar 2012 #40
No. Over the years the Supreme court applied most of the Bill of Rights to the states. former9thward Mar 2012 #41
Do Glenn Beck's followers know that Paine was an atheist? CJCRANE Mar 2012 #32
I heard Beck say it on the air NAO Mar 2012 #33
Thanks. Typical Beck, couldn't tell his followers the whole truth. nt CJCRANE Mar 2012 #35
Paine was certainly useful at the beginning of the revolution. former9thward Mar 2012 #50
This post is so wrong. white_wolf Mar 2012 #49
I love how people in 2012 make so definitive statements former9thward Mar 2012 #51
Age of Reason is a deistic text. white_wolf Mar 2012 #55
I don't know why that is so important to you former9thward Mar 2012 #60
Thomas Paine existentialist Mar 2012 #54
Certainly his views inspired the Revolution. former9thward Mar 2012 #61
Perhaps, but existentialist Mar 2012 #64
He had a interesting life to say the least. former9thward Mar 2012 #65
Just mention a Denis Diderot quote: markbark Mar 2012 #21
oh my amuse bouche Mar 2012 #58
K&R Raffi Ella Mar 2012 #26
I love Paine above all the other Founding Fathers. My hero. freshwest Mar 2012 #27
PBS had a documentary on thomas paine years ago newspeak Mar 2012 #63
Kick. sarcasmo Mar 2012 #28
Tell them about the Treaty of Tripoli. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2012 #42
Four names on the Declaration of Independence voted 'yea' to ratify that treaty, and a fifth signed AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #59
There's even people on the left who can't seem to grasp this. Initech Mar 2012 #48
Franklin existentialist Mar 2012 #53
Thank you libodem Mar 2012 #56
They would find an amuse bouche Mar 2012 #57
Good point! tdb63 Mar 2012 #62
they ARE insane fascisthunter Mar 2012 #66
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