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In reply to the discussion: Fox News: Obama used wounded soldier as a prop & human shield [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)84. You are blatantly mischaracterizing what Pitt wrote. He directly accused
the President of exploiting the soldier, in extremely lurid, hateful terms.
For him, it was all about hating on Obama.
Quotes:
He stood that soldier up at the end, the man with the blasted head and the scarred life, with the visible dent in his skull, who will never ever be even remotely close to the same again because of the ten deployments we sent him off to so someone he'll never meet can make a lot of money, and gave that man his reward: a standing ovation from the worst roomful of people on the skin of the Earth...
...followed by this burbled bit of spitup pabulum: "Sometimes we make mistakes."
WOW DUDE. DEEP.
Yeah. That happened. On national television.
That guy deserves better than a star turn in the parliament of whores, he deserves better than "Oops" from his Commander in Chief, and speaking of the boss, that guy deserves better than to be a prop in a passion play about how everything is awesome, and the last 13 years never happened.
I am sure the to-the-knife Obama defenders out there will seethe and howl upon reading this. Whatever, man. That was one of the more despicable displays I have ever had the misfortune to witness. He had the opportunity to do more than use a blasted, shattered soldier as a prop in a ZOMG HOW AWESOME IS AMERICA I MEAN TOTALLY montage, to maybe bring home some truths about actions and consequences...and he went for the easy applause line and the "Awwwww" moment.
You say "Awwwww" at puppies and babies. You don't say "Awwww" at soldiers victimized by ruined policy deployed by a ruined country...and if you have half a conscience, you make note of that on the largest stage with the biggest microphone in the world.
Another missed opportunity in what has become a truly impressive string of missed opportunities. Yeah, the SOTU is a show. That does not mean it has to be utterly meaningless, and it certainly does not mean that it has to be grossly exploitative.
Maybe I'll feel different tomorrow upon review. I doubt it. I am sick to my stomach.
...followed by this burbled bit of spitup pabulum: "Sometimes we make mistakes."
WOW DUDE. DEEP.
Yeah. That happened. On national television.
That guy deserves better than a star turn in the parliament of whores, he deserves better than "Oops" from his Commander in Chief, and speaking of the boss, that guy deserves better than to be a prop in a passion play about how everything is awesome, and the last 13 years never happened.
I am sure the to-the-knife Obama defenders out there will seethe and howl upon reading this. Whatever, man. That was one of the more despicable displays I have ever had the misfortune to witness. He had the opportunity to do more than use a blasted, shattered soldier as a prop in a ZOMG HOW AWESOME IS AMERICA I MEAN TOTALLY montage, to maybe bring home some truths about actions and consequences...and he went for the easy applause line and the "Awwwww" moment.
You say "Awwwww" at puppies and babies. You don't say "Awwww" at soldiers victimized by ruined policy deployed by a ruined country...and if you have half a conscience, you make note of that on the largest stage with the biggest microphone in the world.
Another missed opportunity in what has become a truly impressive string of missed opportunities. Yeah, the SOTU is a show. That does not mean it has to be utterly meaningless, and it certainly does not mean that it has to be grossly exploitative.
Maybe I'll feel different tomorrow upon review. I doubt it. I am sick to my stomach.
And then the double down (note that the metaphor of sugar and poison is EXACTLY what Fox said)
Cory Remsburg rose up before that parliament of whores, disfigured, maimed for life, and was duly recognized for his service and devotion to country. He received a deafening ovation from a room filled with the worst people in the country, many of whom voted over and over again to send him back to war ten times over, who cheered so loudly to cover over their shame...including the president himself, whose Afghanistan "surge" played its own part in putting Cory Remsburg in the path of the bomb that left him barely able to stand, blind in one eye, and forever damaged.
The President of the United States made no mention of the insanity of any soldier having to endure ten deployments, made no mention of the concept of actions and consequences, even as he stood before the loudest microphone on the planet. Perhaps he and his people thought the face of Cory Remsburg said it for him, and if so, that is another sorry example of the eleventy-dimension chess being played by an administration which is trying to run a country that only knows, politically, how to play checkers.
There are times when real leaders have to say things out loud into microphones, even when those things are so obvious that they bleed on the pavement. What happened to Cory Remsburg was wrong. It was, in fact, a crime, a long act of profiteering that has fed tens of thousands of men and women like him into the meat grinder, to be spat out into a VA system that is utterly overwhelmed and paralyzed before the avalanche of bodies it is tasked to help.
Instead, Mr. Obama said this: "My fellow Americans, men and women like Cory remind us that America has never come easy. Our freedom, our democracy, has never been easy. Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes; we get frustrated or discouraged. But for more than two hundred years, we have put those things aside and placed our collective shoulder to the wheel of progress..."
We have put those things aside? Cory Remsburg, and the tens of thousands of soldiers who share his damage, cannot put those things aside. Mr. Obama turned that soldier's plight into a pep rally for the country that fed him to the bomb that almost killed him. "Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes" was the only apology that ravaged Ranger got from his Commander in Chief. He deserved far more than that, as do all the men and women not lucky enough to get applause from Congress on television.
It is easy peasy for politicians to talk about putting difficult issues "aside," out of mind, away. That's the bread and butter of the Teflon not-my-problem political hack. Leaders, real leaders, address those difficult issues head-on. They challenge we the people to take them head-on, as well, and that is how we heal and rise and move on. That did not happen on Tuesday night. Again.
If you ask the right people, they'll tell you it was a great speech.
Ask me, and I'll tell you I saw a man talk like an Occupy protester while promoting the same tired, failed economic principles that spawned our yawning inequality in the first place. I saw a man talk like a Greenpeace activist while promoting or ignoring the dirtiest fuel industries in the business. I saw a man honor a ten-times-deployed wounded veteran with an "Oops." I saw a man talking very eloquently out of both sides of his mouth, again, and it made me sick in my soul. "Between the idea and the reality," said a poet, "falls the Shadow."
It's the sugar that makes the poison taste sweet.
The President of the United States made no mention of the insanity of any soldier having to endure ten deployments, made no mention of the concept of actions and consequences, even as he stood before the loudest microphone on the planet. Perhaps he and his people thought the face of Cory Remsburg said it for him, and if so, that is another sorry example of the eleventy-dimension chess being played by an administration which is trying to run a country that only knows, politically, how to play checkers.
There are times when real leaders have to say things out loud into microphones, even when those things are so obvious that they bleed on the pavement. What happened to Cory Remsburg was wrong. It was, in fact, a crime, a long act of profiteering that has fed tens of thousands of men and women like him into the meat grinder, to be spat out into a VA system that is utterly overwhelmed and paralyzed before the avalanche of bodies it is tasked to help.
Instead, Mr. Obama said this: "My fellow Americans, men and women like Cory remind us that America has never come easy. Our freedom, our democracy, has never been easy. Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes; we get frustrated or discouraged. But for more than two hundred years, we have put those things aside and placed our collective shoulder to the wheel of progress..."
We have put those things aside? Cory Remsburg, and the tens of thousands of soldiers who share his damage, cannot put those things aside. Mr. Obama turned that soldier's plight into a pep rally for the country that fed him to the bomb that almost killed him. "Sometimes we stumble; we make mistakes" was the only apology that ravaged Ranger got from his Commander in Chief. He deserved far more than that, as do all the men and women not lucky enough to get applause from Congress on television.
It is easy peasy for politicians to talk about putting difficult issues "aside," out of mind, away. That's the bread and butter of the Teflon not-my-problem political hack. Leaders, real leaders, address those difficult issues head-on. They challenge we the people to take them head-on, as well, and that is how we heal and rise and move on. That did not happen on Tuesday night. Again.
If you ask the right people, they'll tell you it was a great speech.
Ask me, and I'll tell you I saw a man talk like an Occupy protester while promoting the same tired, failed economic principles that spawned our yawning inequality in the first place. I saw a man talk like a Greenpeace activist while promoting or ignoring the dirtiest fuel industries in the business. I saw a man honor a ten-times-deployed wounded veteran with an "Oops." I saw a man talking very eloquently out of both sides of his mouth, again, and it made me sick in my soul. "Between the idea and the reality," said a poet, "falls the Shadow."
It's the sugar that makes the poison taste sweet.
It wasn't about the scenery, it was about how evil and disgusting and dishonest Obama was for recognizing that soldier without giving the speech that Lord Commander Pitt had decreed he should give.
It was more deranged than anything Stockman Cruz & Co. produced.
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and on the same but slightly modified to appeal to the left talking points as Fox News. nt
arely staircase
Jan 2014
#153
Here's one DU post that refers to "props"...written after Obama's SOTU on Tuesday.
Cali_Democrat
Jan 2014
#100
People like it as long as wounded vets are used as props for the right talking
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#7
Twisting words doesn't work either, just so y0u know. I prefer plain speaking. So let me
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#25
I don't give Fox or those who share their general mentality any credit. nt
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#40
Well that was my point, 'Fox or those who share their general menatality' I don't even
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#80
I wasn't the one who read off the same page of talking points as Fox News. nt
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#86
Please name these people 'who agreed with Fox' or you are lying, as far as I am concerned.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#110
do you disagree that Obama was cynically exploiting that soldier and using
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#113
Well, put it this way. Every time I saw soldiers brought to the SOTU since the beginning
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#37
Unless that point was made clearly, NO. What it does is make the public feel they HAVE to
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#83
I would quit while I was this far behind, if I were you. But I'm not you and have never called
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#109
I posted a statement of Fox making some excrable comments about the President.
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#111
Thank you, I am not a stupid person which is why I know when someone is calling out a
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#119
Nope. What I objected to was use of soldiers to deflect criticism from an illegal war of aggression
stevenleser
Jan 2014
#97
Why are you watching Fox? Most Democrats here have been boycotting that propaganda
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#182
there have been a lot worse, more hysterical reactions to the SOTU speech.
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#26
Very transparent isn't it? If I wanted to make a point against someone else's view, the LAST place
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#29
Well, given that a bunch of y'all agree with Fox News on this point . . . nt
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#35
that Obama was cynically using the soldier to deflect criticism/recognition
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#65
when you are able to articulate your disagreement with at least parts of what Pitt wrote, go
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#99
Hey, misrepresent what Pitt wrote all you want. he said Obama's speech made him "sick to my soul"
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#89
No, the Fox News criticism is much more rational and less hateful of the President.
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#34
People compare Obama to Republicans all the time...I doubt you object to that
Cali_Democrat
Jan 2014
#36
i'm not just talking about DU members, and i never saw any of those as being on the left
JI7
Jan 2014
#62
Oddly enough far fewer caught on to LZ, that poster was only obvious to a few of us
Fumesucker
Jan 2014
#103
No, LZ was a Zen master of trolling, a few carefullly chosen words for maximum effect
Fumesucker
Jan 2014
#112
If you agree with any conservative ever about anything you buy the whole conservative line
Fumesucker
Jan 2014
#41
Sure, because we hated Dubya personally and inexorably. He hated everything he did.
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#69
Like the way the far left trashes President Obama and reject Hillary Clinton when they do?
TheMathieu
Jan 2014
#50
I think you've hit the nail on the head, but that won't stop today's Two Minutes Hate. nt
Electric Monk
Jan 2014
#144
I have as much regard for Gutfield as the others who made similar arguments regarding this soldier.
gordianot
Jan 2014
#156
Fox news.. garbage in Garbage out. It's all fucking bullshit that only faux/limbaugh,
Cha
Jan 2014
#166
Should make this clear that this was the Facile Five. Then we could ignore it.
yellowcanine
Jan 2014
#201