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mindwalker_i

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42. Just for the sake of argument, let's all agree that Snowden is an asshole

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:09 PM

Jan 2014

He didn't just release information (or Greenwald) about spying, and maybe that did some damage. We can argue about that separately.

The fact is, the U.S. government spies on us. Citizens, or if you prefer, consumers. Collecting all the information that they collect gives them enormout power which is detrimental to self-governance - democracy if you will. We already live in what is arguably a police state. The connections betwee government and corporations are way too deep. These are the things we should be talking about.

Instead, every thread about it has some dumb-ass saying, "well Snowden's a jerk," which seems entirely designed to derail the conversation away from what's important to trivial shit. As such, those comments are aiding in the destruction of democracy.

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'Insane, Disgusting' and 'Epic Treachery' Bill McKibben reacts to Snowden's latest Revelation [View all] KoKo Jan 2014 OP

working to keep us safe.. G_j Jan 2014 #1

That's the objective. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #37

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #2

welcome to DU G_j Jan 2014 #4

I think it's a spam-bot eom DonViejo Jan 2014 #5

Nothing is surprising anymore. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #3

But it's not illegal to spy on other countries mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #6

good imitation of the tireless defender/adorers. cali Jan 2014 #7

Thanks, it's kind of extra-snarky, and I probably shouldn't do it mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #8

Repitition of message is key to catapulting the propaganda.[n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #10

It's good to know you won't ever be satisfied... ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #12

how many attacks has this program prevented in the reality-based community? frylock Jan 2014 #16

Oh come on Frylock you know the answer to that. zeemike Jan 2014 #21

That was a stupid argument mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #22

The last I heard, this same rapidly changing climate is part of "reality" too villager Jan 2014 #26

And now, at Davos, the movers and shakers have noticed climate breakdown! hatrack Jan 2014 #34

"There's no economy on a dead planet," as we liked to say back in the 80's... villager Jan 2014 #35

imitation kardonb Jan 2014 #15

If "this guy" you're referring to is Snowden....(?)...Snowden didn't snappyturtle Jan 2014 #18

Just for the sake of argument, let's all agree that Snowden is an asshole mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #42

You are so very polite. lark Jan 2014 #24

We've known about this since 2006 Fumesucker Jan 2014 #9

don't forget Poland! grasswire Jan 2014 #30

We are not going to get into trouble for things that are perfectly legal. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #40

America has no interest in climate change other than to halt it. last1standing Jan 2014 #11

this is "proof"? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #28

Obama said in his SOTU, that climate change was proven science Oilwellian Jan 2014 #13

Sure, and how much has he said about the wonders of fracking and shale oil? Spider Jerusalem Jan 2014 #36

Recommend jsr Jan 2014 #14

K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #17

For fuck's sake... gcomeau Jan 2014 #19

It's like stealing the test questions before taking a test. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #20

Well shit, Bill, what did you expect? hatrack Jan 2014 #23

I hear Ya'...and it's sad we been driven into the "Camp of the Disbelievers" KoKo Jan 2014 #31

K&R hatrack Jan 2014 #25

The same reaction most Americans have had to Snowden. TheMathieu Jan 2014 #27

Why do they never provide the actual document? Egnever Jan 2014 #29

They did Oilwellian Jan 2014 #32

Clearly they did'n't Egnever Jan 2014 #39

Thank you again Edward Snowden. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #33

Kick Savannahmann Jan 2014 #43

+1000000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #46

When we win back our democracies malaise Jan 2014 #38

To many he is already. He's collecting awards the Jamie Dimon is collecting bonuses sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #41

and...Jamie Dimon is a Disgrace that will come back to haunt... KoKo Jan 2014 #44

K&R woo me with science Jan 2014 #45