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92. You know there are many things wrong with that case

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:02 PM

Jan 2014

Which has been discussed ad nauseumon this board. Due to the way the law was written, terrible police response, and crappy prosecution Zimmerman got off.

But that in my mind is better (one guilty man going free) rather than 7 innocent people spending 6 years of their lives behind bars for a "crime" that would be laughed out of an American court. The two cases are not even comparable.

One was a high profile, violent criminal case with no eye witnesses to the actual events aside from Zimmerman and the other case was an incoherent mess of false science.

You do know that it is not possible to predict earthquakes reliably...? Right? Or are you just looking at the case with blinders going "Bad cases happen in both countries" without any sort of context.

TL;DR
Zimmerman's case no matter how implausible his statements about that night are, they are within the realm of possibility (meaning that the actions could have actually happened, not that I believe it)

But the Italian case the scientist where convicted on an impossibility. Could you imagine getting arrested and convicted because you didn't predict the future. There's a difference and your being willfully ignorant of it.

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Amanda Knox should surrender to Italian authorities, The EVIDENCE Is Clear Enough- SHE DID IT. [View all] Fred Sanders Jan 2014 OP

No she should not JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #1

Knox has been duly convicted by the law of a Western legal system...do you think people should Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #9

A little Devil's Advocate here JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #25

How about best four out of five? clffrdjk Jan 2014 #28

So "western" is the standard...... ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #47

Amanda already served time yeoman6987 May 2014 #226

A legal system that, for good reason, has among the worst records on pnwmom May 2014 #230

I see you made up your own headline. DURHAM D Jan 2014 #2

On the other hand, clydefrand Jan 2014 #3

Which is ironic because it was their supreme court... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #38

Italy's Supreme Court/Court of Cassation considers points of law only. dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #142

Fuck that noise sharp_stick Jan 2014 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #5

If he was really fleeing, wouldn't he have gone the extra mile? mainer Jan 2014 #6

Actually, he "flew" across the border and then flew back again and spent the night pnwmom May 2014 #231

lol Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #7

Nope LittleBlue Jan 2014 #8

Pray tell, WHY are they a joke? Fox News type baseless assertions do not belong here. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #10

LOL... ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #13

When you got nothing else. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #15

Really... ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #155

so you think double jeopardy is just a silly legal conceit? that's one reason cali Jan 2014 #21

Faux Snooze? sked14 Jan 2014 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Jan 2014 #26

On second thought... Iggo Jan 2014 #31

Concepts like rights to a speedy trial LittleBlue Jan 2014 #50

Right to a speedy trial, you may have a point there, but this is not double jeapordy. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #87

You seriously need to do your research before trying to slyly slander other posters DragonBorn Jan 2014 #51

he doesn't want to be confused by any facts. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #52

Oh they should also look up DragonBorn Jan 2014 #63

Everything you've posted is erroneous corpus_vile May 2014 #192

Mignini was up to his eyeballs in the Monster of Florence case, attacking journalists pnwmom May 2014 #205

No he wasn't. corpus_vile May 2014 #211

They convicted geologists for failing to predict earthquakes Dash87 Jan 2014 #141

It still baffles me that they were able to get a conviction on that case mythology Jan 2014 #164

Here's why: pnwmom Jan 2014 #145

Do they allow cameras in the courtroom? There seems to be a lot of contradictions thrown around adirondacker Feb 2014 #183

Their alibi was that they were in his cottage, watching a movie on TV. Raffaele had also been doing pnwmom Feb 2014 #185

Thanks! I think the general public is unaware of the rigging, evidence tampering adirondacker Feb 2014 #191

Hellman's ruling was anulled corpus_vile May 2014 #195

Hellman's ruling was annulled because the High Court said that he should have pnwmom May 2014 #200

If he's a man of honour... corpus_vile May 2014 #212

It is possible for a man of honor, as he is, to make a mistake. pnwmom May 2014 #216

If he made a mistake... corpus_vile May 2014 #218

Because his other ruling is linked to actual EVIDENCE -- and the lack thereof. pnwmom May 2014 #220

No his ruling completely disregarded the 10,000 pages of hard & circumstantial evidence against them corpus_vile May 2014 #234

How is it a hate site? corpus_vile May 2014 #194

It is a hate site filled with lies about the case. That is why its writers finally got expelled pnwmom May 2014 #201

The pro Knox writers corpus_vile May 2014 #213

No one attacks the Kercher family on Amanda Knox's blog. pnwmom May 2014 #215

Yes they do corpus_vile May 2014 #217

I have read the Nencini report, as translated by Luca Cheli, the Hellman report, pnwmom May 2014 #219

Which assumes the so called "Murder room" was the actual crime scene. It wasn't. corpus_vile May 2014 #235

Oh, were you there? Both prosecutors say that room was where the murder was carried out, pnwmom May 2014 #239

methinks doth project too much corpus_vile May 2014 #242

That is not what I said. I said the opposite. Wikipedia's Jim Wales threw out the editors pnwmom May 2014 #250

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #251

It was controlled by haters BEFORE Jim Wales threw them out. pnwmom May 2014 #256

P.S. "Knox has been convicted, allowed an appeal and convicted again during a retrial." pnwmom May 2014 #240

No I didn't corpus_vile May 2014 #243

Hellman's verdict of "innocent" was "annulled" in a fit of magical thinking, pnwmom May 2014 #249

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #252

You have it backwards. No one needs to produce proof of Amanda and Raffaele's innocence. pnwmom May 2014 #254

An excellent DU post (by pmwmom) on why the Italian court's claims are nonsense: tblue37 May 2014 #210

Absolutely not... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #11

Um, no. Brigid Jan 2014 #12

Then by your own words, you must agree that George W. Bush and Dick Cheny rustydog Jan 2014 #14

Game, Set, and Match tkmorris Jan 2014 #35

Well he said "western". ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #48

You Win not only this thread Liberalynn Jan 2014 #68

Amen! Thank you for shutting this shit down. anneboleyn Jan 2014 #165

Fuck that, sked14 Jan 2014 #16

She doesn't have to run, she resides in Seattle rustydog Jan 2014 #17

I know she's in Seattle, sked14 Jan 2014 #20

well, since the court of law that applies here is in Italy not the U.S. WilmywoodNCparalegal Feb 2014 #184

Where are you people who think she is guilty getting your info ? Bonx Jan 2014 #18

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #22

Wow Fred, Scruffy Rumbler Jan 2014 #27

"the originial verdict, translated" = load of crap Bonx Jan 2014 #29

Whaaaa............. sked14 Jan 2014 #30

It's funny how obsessed with Mignini the U.S. media have been WilmywoodNCparalegal Feb 2014 #187

Maybe you need to read these great posts by mainer. sked14 Feb 2014 #188

And then there's this. sked14 Feb 2014 #189

Wrong corpus_vile May 2014 #193

The prosecution has a completely different theory of the crime this time. Iggo Jan 2014 #33

She's *so* guilty, they proved she did it two different ways ! -nt Bonx Jan 2014 #49

So? corpus_vile May 2014 #198

on noes, freddy!1!1!. Amanda is a "party girl and sex fiend extraordinaire" cali Jan 2014 #36

She's also a "muderess"...yikes! Iggo Jan 2014 #44

Well, having sex and partying are gateway vices. Murderess-ing is the next logical step... Squinch Jan 2014 #153

And WITCHCRAFT ffs. WITCHCRAFT!!! anneboleyn Jan 2014 #166

I've read it too, and your interprtation is selective tkmorris Jan 2014 #37

Read this then gaspee Jan 2014 #41

Excellent, excellent article. mainer Jan 2014 #62

Well that was a complete waste of time. Egnever Jan 2014 #99

Good Article-it is clear that the case against Knox would not stand up in the United States Gothmog Jan 2014 #114

That article is full of lies corpus_vile May 2014 #209

please describe fiendish sex tiny elvis Jan 2014 #43

Try reading the appeals verdict, which explains why the first verdict was a pile of crap. n/t pnwmom Jan 2014 #73

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #246

You can't "annul" the truth -- you can only try to cover it up. pnwmom May 2014 #247

Party girl and sex fiend? LostOne4Ever Jan 2014 #76

Read his sigline. He's trolling DU. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #93

You are being paranoid. It is a well known saying. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #95

I know a bullshit artist when I see one. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #123

+100. sked14 Jan 2014 #125

Enjoy your stay. morningfog Jan 2014 #85

jury results. I was number 6. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #138

the fuck she should. your post is nonsense. double jeopardy cali Jan 2014 #19

To an outside observer... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #169

What happened in Italy could never happen here. Do you understand pnwmom May 2014 #208

There is no equilvalent "double jeopordy" in Italy. "USA! USA! USA!", Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #24

I'll take our legal system over Italy's fucked up system any day. sked14 Jan 2014 #32

bwahahahaha. no one's yelling "U.S.A." but YOU cali Jan 2014 #34

That's right, no double jeopardy restrictions for the authoritarians. Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #42

Hey Freddie boy Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2014 #89

. dionysus Jan 2014 #39

Um...no truebrit71 Jan 2014 #40

I originally thought gaspee Jan 2014 #45

SHUT UP!!! bravenak Jan 2014 #46

The same prosecutor, during the investigation of the Monster of Florence, accused the Squinch Jan 2014 #100

Was the ritual stone made of shit? GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #136

Nope, it was just a rock that they used to keep the door open. Squinch Jan 2014 #149

Thread didn't go quite the way you hoped for did it? sked14 Jan 2014 #53

I'm guessing the latter. Iggo Jan 2014 #55

Italian justice Stargazer09 Jan 2014 #54

Italians are laughing at the American justice system, remember George Zimmerman, so the whole Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #57

Zimmerman is an anomaly Stargazer09 Jan 2014 #58

Casey Anthony? OJ Simpson? Those are also anomalies? closeupready Jan 2014 #113

Ben Franklin would have said 100 Orangepeel Jan 2014 #152

At least GZ got a fair trial, unlike Amanda. sked14 Jan 2014 #59

She only went to "trial" once. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #61

You just keep believing that. sked14 Jan 2014 #64

An appeal is not a trial. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #65

You can spin it any way you want, sked14 Jan 2014 #67

No corpus_vile May 2014 #196

Just because our justice system has it flaws, sometimes sucks and gets it wrong too, Liberalynn Jan 2014 #69

There was only ONE TRIAL, the rest were appeals, there is a difference. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #70

Spin, spin, spin it any way you want, sked14 Jan 2014 #71

She was acquitted by this same Appeals Court for insufficent evidence Liberalynn Jan 2014 #72

Do you know of the case DragonBorn Jan 2014 #81

Do you know of the case where a white man shot a black kid carrying Skittles in Florida? Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #84

You know there are many things wrong with that case DragonBorn Jan 2014 #92

That's not really why they were convicted jberryhill May 2014 #206

Ya know what? I'd rather 5 Zimmerman's go free than to embrace the Italian kangaroo courts. Adrahil Jan 2014 #106

Kangaroos live in AUSTRIA...GEOLOGY FAIL! Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #120

There are kangaroos in Austria, I've seen them at the zoo in Vienna. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #122

Well that made me laugh out loud, so thanks! nt Adrahil Jan 2014 #128

Shit. Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #159

This post is awesome. You captured the typical troll voice perfectly! The triumphant all-caps anneboleyn Feb 2014 #167

What's "effusively moronic" is thinking use of the word "effusively" somehow makes your argument Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #119

Not to defend Fred (it can't be done) TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #168

So because one thing is moronic, two things can't be moronic. Iggo Jan 2014 #162

In Italy, the investigator is also the prosecutor mainer Jan 2014 #91

NO MFM008 Jan 2014 #56

I'm sorry, but I just can't buy this verdict. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #60

Oh go on! liberalmuse Jan 2014 #66

You've pointed to a hate site. pnwmom Jan 2014 #74

No one really knows what happened and the prosecutors have had so many theories and botched or OregonBlue Jan 2014 #75

No she shouldn't warrior1 Jan 2014 #77

Really? Crepuscular Jan 2014 #78

Oh, it's you again. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #79

A difference of opinion based on the admitted evidence is now a "troll game"? Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #80

Sorry, not playing stupid games with you. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #86

you ain't foolin' anyone, freddy, dear boy. cali Jan 2014 #116

I completely disagree... chillfactor Jan 2014 #82

Good Lord, how many people do not understand there was ONE Trial, two appeals? Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #83

22 Edits to your OP DURHAM D Jan 2014 #88

lol - I JUST came to post that. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #129

She was found guilty at the first trial muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #140

We don't do double jeopardy in the USA. MineralMan Jan 2014 #90

There was one trial. She was convicted. There have been two APPEALS. NOT double jeapordy. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #94

You're not understanding me at all. MineralMan Jan 2014 #96

Under US law, it is double jeopardy which sked14 Jan 2014 #97

The court reinstated a guilty verdict first handed down against Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in 2009. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #98

The appeals court acquitted her, which under US law means not guilty, sked14 Jan 2014 #101

An Appeal Court aquittal and this new appeal verdict are NOT TRIALS! Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #102

Under US law, yes they are, sked14 Jan 2014 #107

I, and Prof Julian Ku, who teaches transnational law at Hofstra University in New York, Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #109

And I, and dozens of other constitutional lawyers have a different opinion sked14 Jan 2014 #111

Name one and his/rational based on the extradition treaty, I would welcome it, sir. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #112

This. sked14 Jan 2014 #115

Hey other countries can have their own rules.... Adrahil Jan 2014 #110

And under the US Constitution, sked14 Jan 2014 #117

She was convicted in the first trial davidn3600 Jan 2014 #150

As a lawyer, I agree with your analysis as to double jeopardy Gothmog Jan 2014 #151

Double Jeopardy doesn't apply here corpus_vile May 2014 #199

I have no idea whether she's guilty or not, but your "evidence" is garbage... joeybee12 Jan 2014 #103

joeybee, thank you for not jumping to a conclusion without evidence. pnwmom May 2014 #225

WTF Italy is a fascist country. No fucking way should she surrender! B Calm Jan 2014 #104

OMFG, how ignorant of you to say that CBGLuthier Jan 2014 #130

Don't call me ignorant! B Calm Jan 2014 #144

This is at best a very weak circumstantial case Gothmog Jan 2014 #105

Freddy doesn't want facts to get in the way of his made up mind-what there is of it. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #108

The concept of the burden of proof being beyond a reasonable doubt is not part of Italian system Gothmog Jan 2014 #133

Newbie Dude: Some advice JanMichael Jan 2014 #118

Well, the Italian courts are pursuaded, there's that for "propaganda". Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #121

You mean the same Italian courts that convicted and jailed sked14 Jan 2014 #124

Evidently he likes the Court Of Marsupial Justice. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #126

It would appear so. sked14 Jan 2014 #127

I wasn't referring to the courts decison JanMichael Jan 2014 #131

He can't answer you, sked14 Jan 2014 #132

Too bad hobbit709 Jan 2014 #134

There are a number of lawyers on this board who do know how to evaluate evidence Gothmog Jan 2014 #137

Feeble propaganda. Lex Jan 2014 #135

No one in their right mind would ever do that. PeteSelman Jan 2014 #139

Well...a lot of people here think Snowden should just turn himself in davidn3600 Jan 2014 #143

Either that or he should change his citizenship. B Calm Jan 2014 #146

Amanda didn't break any laws. And yet she spent 4 years in prison. pnwmom Jan 2014 #147

Sorry, but I think she's innocent! Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #148

I don't think she should surrender to Italian authorities. It would be silly. Captain Stern Jan 2014 #154

In defense of Italty, their prisons are nicer... Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #156

You obviously missed where she alleges sexual abuse among one of the guards davidn3600 Jan 2014 #160

That happens quite a bit here, too Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #161

Oh, HER allegations without proof or trial are CREDIBLE, are they now? No bias there! WinkyDink Feb 2014 #170

You obviously missed her thrice upheld slander conviction corpus_vile May 2014 #197

Actually, Amanda spent 22 hours a day in a cell in Italy Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #180

You have a link to that? Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #181

As a matter of fact, I've got two Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #182

I disagree gopiscrap Jan 2014 #157

Glad you got that off your chest? Hekate Jan 2014 #158

Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Hello, OJ, Gitmo, Zimmie, JonBenet, ...... WinkyDink Feb 2014 #171

22 Edits to OP. Is that a DU record? A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2014 #163

And here I thought the ethanol shill(s) on E/E were a dedicated lot... IDemo Feb 2014 #172

So many lies, where to start? mainer Feb 2014 #173

And that knife you claim was the murder weapon? Not. mainer Feb 2014 #174

Marc Waterbury is a liar for hire corpus_vile May 2014 #203

Even the UK press is starting to see the light mainer Feb 2014 #175

DNA Expert: We know who did it. It’s Rudy Guede. IDemo Feb 2014 #176

More from that expert for "Discovery" mainer Feb 2014 #178

Fuck this celubutainment. TransitJohn Feb 2014 #177

Dan Abrams was on reliable sources on cnn Gothmog Feb 2014 #179

WTF. Did she steal your cookie or something? jsr Feb 2014 #186

Fred Sanders sounds more like a Bortman33 Feb 2014 #190

TL/DR but the police work was shoddy, there was no evidence, she was let go once, and MADem May 2014 #202

To clarify corpus_vile May 2014 #204

We don't extradite for that, and Italy won't expect us to, either. They know how we roll. MADem May 2014 #207

We'll see so corpus_vile May 2014 #214

Why would you project a view that I'm worried? Very odd statement, that. MADem May 2014 #222

It was just a figurative expression corpus_vile May 2014 #236

I am basing my opinion on how State views double jeopardy from an American court's perspective. MADem May 2014 #241

In the US an appeals verdict of not guilty cannot be subsequently overturned pnwmom May 2014 #221

Actually, the state can appeal under certain circumstance Gothmog May 2014 #227

I said they can -- but only for technical reasons, as in the Delay case. Not based on pnwmom May 2014 #229

Double Jeopardy doesn't apply here corpus_vile May 2014 #237

The ECHR will rule that Amanda's and Raffaele's civil rights were denied when they pnwmom May 2014 #238

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I'm going to continue to speak up for the truth while people spread their hate. pnwmom May 2014 #248

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #253

The hate that drives people to continue to post lies against the two students. pnwmom May 2014 #255

You cant keep doing this until MFM008 May 2014 #223

The latest iteration of the case is even worse than the last. pnwmom May 2014 #224

I have noticed that your diatribes on this subject get longer Jamastiene May 2014 #228

Wrong Shivering Jemmy May 2014 #232

I don't think she is guilty and I think you need to shut the hell up. nt ladjf May 2014 #233

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