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123. I know a bullshit artist when I see one.

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #95)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:57 PM

Jan 2014

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Amanda Knox should surrender to Italian authorities, The EVIDENCE Is Clear Enough- SHE DID IT. [View all] Fred Sanders Jan 2014 OP

No she should not JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #1

Knox has been duly convicted by the law of a Western legal system...do you think people should Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #9

A little Devil's Advocate here JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #25

How about best four out of five? clffrdjk Jan 2014 #28

So "western" is the standard...... ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #47

Amanda already served time yeoman6987 May 2014 #226

A legal system that, for good reason, has among the worst records on pnwmom May 2014 #230

I see you made up your own headline. DURHAM D Jan 2014 #2

On the other hand, clydefrand Jan 2014 #3

Which is ironic because it was their supreme court... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #38

Italy's Supreme Court/Court of Cassation considers points of law only. dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #142

Fuck that noise sharp_stick Jan 2014 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #5

If he was really fleeing, wouldn't he have gone the extra mile? mainer Jan 2014 #6

Actually, he "flew" across the border and then flew back again and spent the night pnwmom May 2014 #231

lol Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #7

Nope LittleBlue Jan 2014 #8

Pray tell, WHY are they a joke? Fox News type baseless assertions do not belong here. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #10

LOL... ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #13

When you got nothing else. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #15

Really... ohheckyeah Jan 2014 #155

so you think double jeopardy is just a silly legal conceit? that's one reason cali Jan 2014 #21

Faux Snooze? sked14 Jan 2014 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Jan 2014 #26

On second thought... Iggo Jan 2014 #31

Concepts like rights to a speedy trial LittleBlue Jan 2014 #50

Right to a speedy trial, you may have a point there, but this is not double jeapordy. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #87

You seriously need to do your research before trying to slyly slander other posters DragonBorn Jan 2014 #51

he doesn't want to be confused by any facts. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #52

Oh they should also look up DragonBorn Jan 2014 #63

Everything you've posted is erroneous corpus_vile May 2014 #192

Mignini was up to his eyeballs in the Monster of Florence case, attacking journalists pnwmom May 2014 #205

No he wasn't. corpus_vile May 2014 #211

They convicted geologists for failing to predict earthquakes Dash87 Jan 2014 #141

It still baffles me that they were able to get a conviction on that case mythology Jan 2014 #164

Here's why: pnwmom Jan 2014 #145

Do they allow cameras in the courtroom? There seems to be a lot of contradictions thrown around adirondacker Feb 2014 #183

Their alibi was that they were in his cottage, watching a movie on TV. Raffaele had also been doing pnwmom Feb 2014 #185

Thanks! I think the general public is unaware of the rigging, evidence tampering adirondacker Feb 2014 #191

Hellman's ruling was anulled corpus_vile May 2014 #195

Hellman's ruling was annulled because the High Court said that he should have pnwmom May 2014 #200

If he's a man of honour... corpus_vile May 2014 #212

It is possible for a man of honor, as he is, to make a mistake. pnwmom May 2014 #216

If he made a mistake... corpus_vile May 2014 #218

Because his other ruling is linked to actual EVIDENCE -- and the lack thereof. pnwmom May 2014 #220

No his ruling completely disregarded the 10,000 pages of hard & circumstantial evidence against them corpus_vile May 2014 #234

How is it a hate site? corpus_vile May 2014 #194

It is a hate site filled with lies about the case. That is why its writers finally got expelled pnwmom May 2014 #201

The pro Knox writers corpus_vile May 2014 #213

No one attacks the Kercher family on Amanda Knox's blog. pnwmom May 2014 #215

Yes they do corpus_vile May 2014 #217

I have read the Nencini report, as translated by Luca Cheli, the Hellman report, pnwmom May 2014 #219

Which assumes the so called "Murder room" was the actual crime scene. It wasn't. corpus_vile May 2014 #235

Oh, were you there? Both prosecutors say that room was where the murder was carried out, pnwmom May 2014 #239

methinks doth project too much corpus_vile May 2014 #242

That is not what I said. I said the opposite. Wikipedia's Jim Wales threw out the editors pnwmom May 2014 #250

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It was controlled by haters BEFORE Jim Wales threw them out. pnwmom May 2014 #256

P.S. "Knox has been convicted, allowed an appeal and convicted again during a retrial." pnwmom May 2014 #240

No I didn't corpus_vile May 2014 #243

Hellman's verdict of "innocent" was "annulled" in a fit of magical thinking, pnwmom May 2014 #249

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You have it backwards. No one needs to produce proof of Amanda and Raffaele's innocence. pnwmom May 2014 #254

An excellent DU post (by pmwmom) on why the Italian court's claims are nonsense: tblue37 May 2014 #210

Absolutely not... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #11

Um, no. Brigid Jan 2014 #12

Then by your own words, you must agree that George W. Bush and Dick Cheny rustydog Jan 2014 #14

Game, Set, and Match tkmorris Jan 2014 #35

Well he said "western". ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #48

You Win not only this thread Liberalynn Jan 2014 #68

Amen! Thank you for shutting this shit down. anneboleyn Jan 2014 #165

Fuck that, sked14 Jan 2014 #16

She doesn't have to run, she resides in Seattle rustydog Jan 2014 #17

I know she's in Seattle, sked14 Jan 2014 #20

well, since the court of law that applies here is in Italy not the U.S. WilmywoodNCparalegal Feb 2014 #184

Where are you people who think she is guilty getting your info ? Bonx Jan 2014 #18

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #22

Wow Fred, Scruffy Rumbler Jan 2014 #27

"the originial verdict, translated" = load of crap Bonx Jan 2014 #29

Whaaaa............. sked14 Jan 2014 #30

It's funny how obsessed with Mignini the U.S. media have been WilmywoodNCparalegal Feb 2014 #187

Maybe you need to read these great posts by mainer. sked14 Feb 2014 #188

And then there's this. sked14 Feb 2014 #189

Wrong corpus_vile May 2014 #193

The prosecution has a completely different theory of the crime this time. Iggo Jan 2014 #33

She's *so* guilty, they proved she did it two different ways ! -nt Bonx Jan 2014 #49

So? corpus_vile May 2014 #198

on noes, freddy!1!1!. Amanda is a "party girl and sex fiend extraordinaire" cali Jan 2014 #36

She's also a "muderess"...yikes! Iggo Jan 2014 #44

Well, having sex and partying are gateway vices. Murderess-ing is the next logical step... Squinch Jan 2014 #153

And WITCHCRAFT ffs. WITCHCRAFT!!! anneboleyn Jan 2014 #166

I've read it too, and your interprtation is selective tkmorris Jan 2014 #37

Read this then gaspee Jan 2014 #41

Excellent, excellent article. mainer Jan 2014 #62

Well that was a complete waste of time. Egnever Jan 2014 #99

Good Article-it is clear that the case against Knox would not stand up in the United States Gothmog Jan 2014 #114

That article is full of lies corpus_vile May 2014 #209

please describe fiendish sex tiny elvis Jan 2014 #43

Try reading the appeals verdict, which explains why the first verdict was a pile of crap. n/t pnwmom Jan 2014 #73

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You can't "annul" the truth -- you can only try to cover it up. pnwmom May 2014 #247

Party girl and sex fiend? LostOne4Ever Jan 2014 #76

Read his sigline. He's trolling DU. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #93

You are being paranoid. It is a well known saying. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #95

I know a bullshit artist when I see one. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #123

+100. sked14 Jan 2014 #125

Enjoy your stay. morningfog Jan 2014 #85

jury results. I was number 6. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #138

the fuck she should. your post is nonsense. double jeopardy cali Jan 2014 #19

To an outside observer... reACTIONary Feb 2014 #169

What happened in Italy could never happen here. Do you understand pnwmom May 2014 #208

There is no equilvalent "double jeopordy" in Italy. "USA! USA! USA!", Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #24

I'll take our legal system over Italy's fucked up system any day. sked14 Jan 2014 #32

bwahahahaha. no one's yelling "U.S.A." but YOU cali Jan 2014 #34

That's right, no double jeopardy restrictions for the authoritarians. Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #42

Hey Freddie boy Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2014 #89

. dionysus Jan 2014 #39

Um...no truebrit71 Jan 2014 #40

I originally thought gaspee Jan 2014 #45

SHUT UP!!! bravenak Jan 2014 #46

The same prosecutor, during the investigation of the Monster of Florence, accused the Squinch Jan 2014 #100

Was the ritual stone made of shit? GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #136

Nope, it was just a rock that they used to keep the door open. Squinch Jan 2014 #149

Thread didn't go quite the way you hoped for did it? sked14 Jan 2014 #53

I'm guessing the latter. Iggo Jan 2014 #55

Italian justice Stargazer09 Jan 2014 #54

Italians are laughing at the American justice system, remember George Zimmerman, so the whole Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #57

Zimmerman is an anomaly Stargazer09 Jan 2014 #58

Casey Anthony? OJ Simpson? Those are also anomalies? closeupready Jan 2014 #113

Ben Franklin would have said 100 Orangepeel Jan 2014 #152

At least GZ got a fair trial, unlike Amanda. sked14 Jan 2014 #59

She only went to "trial" once. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #61

You just keep believing that. sked14 Jan 2014 #64

An appeal is not a trial. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #65

You can spin it any way you want, sked14 Jan 2014 #67

No corpus_vile May 2014 #196

Just because our justice system has it flaws, sometimes sucks and gets it wrong too, Liberalynn Jan 2014 #69

There was only ONE TRIAL, the rest were appeals, there is a difference. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #70

Spin, spin, spin it any way you want, sked14 Jan 2014 #71

She was acquitted by this same Appeals Court for insufficent evidence Liberalynn Jan 2014 #72

Do you know of the case DragonBorn Jan 2014 #81

Do you know of the case where a white man shot a black kid carrying Skittles in Florida? Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #84

You know there are many things wrong with that case DragonBorn Jan 2014 #92

That's not really why they were convicted jberryhill May 2014 #206

Ya know what? I'd rather 5 Zimmerman's go free than to embrace the Italian kangaroo courts. Adrahil Jan 2014 #106

Kangaroos live in AUSTRIA...GEOLOGY FAIL! Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #120

There are kangaroos in Austria, I've seen them at the zoo in Vienna. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #122

Well that made me laugh out loud, so thanks! nt Adrahil Jan 2014 #128

Shit. Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #159

This post is awesome. You captured the typical troll voice perfectly! The triumphant all-caps anneboleyn Feb 2014 #167

What's "effusively moronic" is thinking use of the word "effusively" somehow makes your argument Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #119

Not to defend Fred (it can't be done) TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #168

So because one thing is moronic, two things can't be moronic. Iggo Jan 2014 #162

In Italy, the investigator is also the prosecutor mainer Jan 2014 #91

NO MFM008 Jan 2014 #56

I'm sorry, but I just can't buy this verdict. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #60

Oh go on! liberalmuse Jan 2014 #66

You've pointed to a hate site. pnwmom Jan 2014 #74

No one really knows what happened and the prosecutors have had so many theories and botched or OregonBlue Jan 2014 #75

No she shouldn't warrior1 Jan 2014 #77

Really? Crepuscular Jan 2014 #78

Oh, it's you again. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #79

A difference of opinion based on the admitted evidence is now a "troll game"? Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #80

Sorry, not playing stupid games with you. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #86

you ain't foolin' anyone, freddy, dear boy. cali Jan 2014 #116

I completely disagree... chillfactor Jan 2014 #82

Good Lord, how many people do not understand there was ONE Trial, two appeals? Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #83

22 Edits to your OP DURHAM D Jan 2014 #88

lol - I JUST came to post that. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #129

She was found guilty at the first trial muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #140

We don't do double jeopardy in the USA. MineralMan Jan 2014 #90

There was one trial. She was convicted. There have been two APPEALS. NOT double jeapordy. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #94

You're not understanding me at all. MineralMan Jan 2014 #96

Under US law, it is double jeopardy which sked14 Jan 2014 #97

The court reinstated a guilty verdict first handed down against Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in 2009. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #98

The appeals court acquitted her, which under US law means not guilty, sked14 Jan 2014 #101

An Appeal Court aquittal and this new appeal verdict are NOT TRIALS! Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #102

Under US law, yes they are, sked14 Jan 2014 #107

I, and Prof Julian Ku, who teaches transnational law at Hofstra University in New York, Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #109

And I, and dozens of other constitutional lawyers have a different opinion sked14 Jan 2014 #111

Name one and his/rational based on the extradition treaty, I would welcome it, sir. Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #112

This. sked14 Jan 2014 #115

Hey other countries can have their own rules.... Adrahil Jan 2014 #110

And under the US Constitution, sked14 Jan 2014 #117

She was convicted in the first trial davidn3600 Jan 2014 #150

As a lawyer, I agree with your analysis as to double jeopardy Gothmog Jan 2014 #151

Double Jeopardy doesn't apply here corpus_vile May 2014 #199

I have no idea whether she's guilty or not, but your "evidence" is garbage... joeybee12 Jan 2014 #103

joeybee, thank you for not jumping to a conclusion without evidence. pnwmom May 2014 #225

WTF Italy is a fascist country. No fucking way should she surrender! B Calm Jan 2014 #104

OMFG, how ignorant of you to say that CBGLuthier Jan 2014 #130

Don't call me ignorant! B Calm Jan 2014 #144

This is at best a very weak circumstantial case Gothmog Jan 2014 #105

Freddy doesn't want facts to get in the way of his made up mind-what there is of it. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #108

The concept of the burden of proof being beyond a reasonable doubt is not part of Italian system Gothmog Jan 2014 #133

Newbie Dude: Some advice JanMichael Jan 2014 #118

Well, the Italian courts are pursuaded, there's that for "propaganda". Fred Sanders Jan 2014 #121

You mean the same Italian courts that convicted and jailed sked14 Jan 2014 #124

Evidently he likes the Court Of Marsupial Justice. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #126

It would appear so. sked14 Jan 2014 #127

I wasn't referring to the courts decison JanMichael Jan 2014 #131

He can't answer you, sked14 Jan 2014 #132

Too bad hobbit709 Jan 2014 #134

There are a number of lawyers on this board who do know how to evaluate evidence Gothmog Jan 2014 #137

Feeble propaganda. Lex Jan 2014 #135

No one in their right mind would ever do that. PeteSelman Jan 2014 #139

Well...a lot of people here think Snowden should just turn himself in davidn3600 Jan 2014 #143

Either that or he should change his citizenship. B Calm Jan 2014 #146

Amanda didn't break any laws. And yet she spent 4 years in prison. pnwmom Jan 2014 #147

Sorry, but I think she's innocent! Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #148

I don't think she should surrender to Italian authorities. It would be silly. Captain Stern Jan 2014 #154

In defense of Italty, their prisons are nicer... Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #156

You obviously missed where she alleges sexual abuse among one of the guards davidn3600 Jan 2014 #160

That happens quite a bit here, too Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #161

Oh, HER allegations without proof or trial are CREDIBLE, are they now? No bias there! WinkyDink Feb 2014 #170

You obviously missed her thrice upheld slander conviction corpus_vile May 2014 #197

Actually, Amanda spent 22 hours a day in a cell in Italy Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #180

You have a link to that? Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #181

As a matter of fact, I've got two Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #182

I disagree gopiscrap Jan 2014 #157

Glad you got that off your chest? Hekate Jan 2014 #158

Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Hello, OJ, Gitmo, Zimmie, JonBenet, ...... WinkyDink Feb 2014 #171

22 Edits to OP. Is that a DU record? A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2014 #163

And here I thought the ethanol shill(s) on E/E were a dedicated lot... IDemo Feb 2014 #172

So many lies, where to start? mainer Feb 2014 #173

And that knife you claim was the murder weapon? Not. mainer Feb 2014 #174

Marc Waterbury is a liar for hire corpus_vile May 2014 #203

Even the UK press is starting to see the light mainer Feb 2014 #175

DNA Expert: We know who did it. It’s Rudy Guede. IDemo Feb 2014 #176

More from that expert for "Discovery" mainer Feb 2014 #178

Fuck this celubutainment. TransitJohn Feb 2014 #177

Dan Abrams was on reliable sources on cnn Gothmog Feb 2014 #179

WTF. Did she steal your cookie or something? jsr Feb 2014 #186

Fred Sanders sounds more like a Bortman33 Feb 2014 #190

TL/DR but the police work was shoddy, there was no evidence, she was let go once, and MADem May 2014 #202

To clarify corpus_vile May 2014 #204

We don't extradite for that, and Italy won't expect us to, either. They know how we roll. MADem May 2014 #207

We'll see so corpus_vile May 2014 #214

Why would you project a view that I'm worried? Very odd statement, that. MADem May 2014 #222

It was just a figurative expression corpus_vile May 2014 #236

I am basing my opinion on how State views double jeopardy from an American court's perspective. MADem May 2014 #241

In the US an appeals verdict of not guilty cannot be subsequently overturned pnwmom May 2014 #221

Actually, the state can appeal under certain circumstance Gothmog May 2014 #227

I said they can -- but only for technical reasons, as in the Delay case. Not based on pnwmom May 2014 #229

Double Jeopardy doesn't apply here corpus_vile May 2014 #237

The ECHR will rule that Amanda's and Raffaele's civil rights were denied when they pnwmom May 2014 #238

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I'm going to continue to speak up for the truth while people spread their hate. pnwmom May 2014 #248

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The hate that drives people to continue to post lies against the two students. pnwmom May 2014 #255

You cant keep doing this until MFM008 May 2014 #223

The latest iteration of the case is even worse than the last. pnwmom May 2014 #224

I have noticed that your diatribes on this subject get longer Jamastiene May 2014 #228

Wrong Shivering Jemmy May 2014 #232

I don't think she is guilty and I think you need to shut the hell up. nt ladjf May 2014 #233

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