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46. Many posters in the gungeon who support concealed carry and gun rights ...
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 04:33 PM
Mar 2012

are disturbed by the Trayvon Martin shooting.

I often post there and have a Florida Concealed Weapons permit. With the information that I have gleaned from the news, I feel that there are enough facts to justify the arrest and prosecution of the "neighborhood watch captain".

George Zimmerman called 911 to report a suspicious individual and was told that police were responding and not to interfere. He, for some reason, chose to leave his car and confront Trayvon Martin. Therefore in my opinion I feel that he initiated the situation and might have escalated it perhaps by drawing his weapon to gain leverage in the argument.

Had Zimmerman followed the instructions from the 911 operator the situation would have never happened. I suspect that Zimmerman was a wannabe cop.

I may have a carry license but I am not a cop or a vigilante. I have absolutely no desire to play "hero" or to run around combating crime. People with far better training than I have are paid to do such work. I carry a firearm for personal self defense and the only time I would ever use it is if I was absolutely certain that another individual was in the process of attacking me or a member of my family with the intention of inflicting serious injury or death. If I felt that lethal force was not required to stop the attack, I would use it. I have some skills in martial arts and often carry pepper spray.

The last thing that I ever want to do is to shoot another person and it may well be the last thing I ever do as there is no guarantee my actions will stop my attacker. If I was in such a situation and survived, I would expect a thorough investigation would follow and if there were any questions that my actions were appropriate, I would face prosecution.

As I read the Florida "Stand Your Ground" law, I find that it does not remove my requirement to only use lethal force when I have a legitimate reason to use such force only when I damn good reason to believe that I have no other choice. The fact that I no longer have to retreat when under attack doesn't change the standards.

Use of Deadly Force for Lawful Self-Defense

***snip***

Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself?

A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:

Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.

Using or displaying a handgun in any other circumstances could result in your conviction for crimes such as improper exhibition of a firearm, manslaughter, or worse.

***snip***

Q. What if someone uses threatening language to me so that I am afraid for my life or safety?

A. Verbal threats are not enough to justify the use of deadly force. There must be an overt act by the person which indicates that he immediately intends to carry out the threat. The person threatened must reasonably believe that he will be killed or suffer serious bodily harm if he does not immediately take the life of his adversary.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/self_defense.html


With I information that I have, I can see little or no reason why Zimmerman hasn't been arrested and charged.




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This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #1
it never fails to amaze me that, as you state, even on DU DrDan Mar 2012 #3
DU is just as susceptible to right wing propaganda as other sites/populations Doctor_J Mar 2012 #6
Many posters in the gungeon who support concealed carry and gun rights ... spin Mar 2012 #46
Deadly Force is not OK in defense of property. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #7
not to some here DrDan Mar 2012 #29
I am taking a legal class CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #39
a burglar entering your house in Florida gives you the right to use deadly force DrDan Mar 2012 #40
True. However ... spin Mar 2012 #47
perhaps you would not "chase or shoot him" - that does not hold true for everyone else with a gun DrDan Mar 2012 #54
"In fear" is the key dmkinsey Mar 2012 #41
You forgot two very important words ... spin Mar 2012 #49
I couldn't find what you quoted here. Union Scribe Mar 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #21
It isn't my fault that what you put in quotes Union Scribe Mar 2012 #36
Only what they said in my class. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #50
k&r, n/t appal_jack Mar 2012 #2
Great post alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #4
Zimmerman wasn't "standing his ground" by any definition anyway Doctor_J Mar 2012 #5
"standing one's ground" generally refers to someone in their home or other place they have a right Romulox Mar 2012 #8
Unfortunately, Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 #12
From your OP: "What if Trayvon was standing his ground?" nt Romulox Mar 2012 #15
Unfortunately I think the prefered solution to the NRA would Doctor_J Mar 2012 #17
He didn't have a gun. Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 #19
Having a gun isn't a required precondition for self defense. At any rate, *you* posted the article, Romulox Mar 2012 #20
No, it isn't. Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 #24
Absolutely. Even more confusingly, it's possible for *both* parties to be Romulox Mar 2012 #28
Agree with you 100%. DLevine Mar 2012 #9
Because he's dead zipplewrath Mar 2012 #10
Zimmerman chases down an unarmed man and kills him. DLevine Mar 2012 #13
Prove it zipplewrath Mar 2012 #18
Maybe it's just me. DLevine Mar 2012 #22
Depends upon the state zipplewrath Mar 2012 #25
The 911 call that Zimmerman himself made is evidence that he chased Martin. He admits it. yardwork Mar 2012 #31
Pretty obvious to me too zipplewrath Mar 2012 #34
I don't know. Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 #14
I hope the police can use cell phone positioning data to determine Zimmerman's JoePhilly Mar 2012 #16
Zimmerman told the emergency dispatcher that he was chasing the "suspect." yardwork Mar 2012 #32
I hope that toasts him. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #44
When conservative controlled governments put weapons in the hands of unstable violent morons.... Evasporque Mar 2012 #23
It seems to me that the reasoning behind LuvNewcastle Mar 2012 #26
It expands the doctrine of Castle Law. Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 #30
One of the gungeon denizens told me the other day this has "nothing to do Doctor_J Mar 2012 #33
Common sense is also rare against among anti-gun people. I have seen both over react. Logical Mar 2012 #45
I basically agree ... spin Mar 2012 #51
Why did police automatically assume Martin was the aggressor? Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #27
What makes you think they did? zipplewrath Mar 2012 #35
Except that the Sanford police have been caught in several lies about this so far. yardwork Mar 2012 #37
With any luck at all COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #38
becasue Zimmerman was standing his ground, not the black guy librechik Mar 2012 #42
"Stand Your Ground" does not apply when you start the confrontation. L0oniX Mar 2012 #43
While I think this POS's actions fail to even meet the meager Stand Your Ground requirements... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2012 #48
Agree on both points. Rhiannon12866 Mar 2012 #52
Which one looks dangerous to you? SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #53
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