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Downtown Hound

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9. Fine then, rip it up.

Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:12 PM

Feb 2014

And I'm sorry, but any legal system that would convict it's top seismologists of manslaughter for failing to predict an earthquake is most definitely comprised of kangaroo courts.

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If the US refuses to extradite Knox, fugitives from justice here should get their asses to Italy. [View all] Nye Bevan Feb 2014 OP

Pft! hobbit709 Feb 2014 #1

yup quinnox Feb 2014 #2

No, but the fact that there's no hard evidence to convict her should. Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #6

If we truly believe that the Italian justice system is comprised of "kangaroo courts", Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #8

Fine then, rip it up. Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #9

I agree. They don't have a modern system of justice even though they pretend to. pnwmom Feb 2014 #81

You mean the treaty of 1937 when Benito was in charge there? hobbit709 Feb 2014 #11

No, I'm thinking of the one that was signed on October 13, 1983, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #14

You are trying to speak logic, law and evidence to those that are convinced the Italian justice Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #107

She hasn't had a free ride. She spent four years in WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #7

maybe that is all true, and she is innocent, but she should go appeal her conviction then quinnox Feb 2014 #15

Oh Jesus, another bullshit "face the music" rant. Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #17

I would never put myself in that situation to begin with quinnox Feb 2014 #20

You know what's funny about you? Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #24

Italy is not some Soviet era fascist state, it is a modern Western country quinnox Feb 2014 #29

Oh but of course, a modern, Democratic government that Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #31

I saw someone debunk that in another thread quinnox Feb 2014 #33

Yeah, I know this comes as a big shock to you, but Earthquake prediction is hardly an exact science Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #34

I think Italy is a civilized and modern Western style country, and it would be wrong to allow quinnox Feb 2014 #37

Total arrogance on your part Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #45

Why should she have to do it ohheckyeah Feb 2014 #85

Let me ask you, sked14 Feb 2014 #35

My opinion is, other countries have their own justice systems, and it really is none of our business quinnox Feb 2014 #40

So even though there's a huge lack of evidence, both physical and forensic, sked14 Feb 2014 #44

My opinion is she should have to go to Italy, if Italy asks the USA to do so quinnox Feb 2014 #50

You openly admit that you don't care if she's wrongfully convicted Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #53

I didn't say that. I said she should have to face whatever the justice system in Italy requires quinnox Feb 2014 #57

Yeah, well guess what? Socrates was a wimp. Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #59

It would be wrong to refuse the punishment? Even though he was innocent? sked14 Feb 2014 #60

its a philosophical point quinnox Feb 2014 #61

I don't care what he's leading in, yes, he was a brilliant man, sked14 Feb 2014 #65

BTW, thanks for the rational and civil discussion. sked14 Feb 2014 #70

likewise quinnox Feb 2014 #71

My main issue is that she was falsely arrested, falsely accused by a corrupt prosecutor, sked14 Feb 2014 #55

Nice. I myself actually believe in this thing called justice Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #48

Oh and, what situation would you have never put yourself into in the first place? Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #25

That's obscene cpwm17 Feb 2014 #26

I don't think American citizens are above those in other countries quinnox Feb 2014 #30

Nobody here is saying we're special, sked14 Feb 2014 #32

We're not any more special than any other people on this earth cpwm17 Feb 2014 #36

"I would never put myself in that situation to begin with" Contrary1 Feb 2014 #27

The poster who "would never put themselves in that situation" vanlassie Feb 2014 #66

oh fucking please. cali Feb 2014 #64

Ummmm..... Adrahil Feb 2014 #69

"I would never put myself in that situation to begin with" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #86

at least she didn't go to Russia. Whisp Feb 2014 #18

that has nothing to do with anything, you are mixing apples with oranges quinnox Feb 2014 #23

Would you choose to face a foreign justice system that had already falsely convicted you for murder? pnwmom Feb 2014 #80

Oh, give me a friggin' break WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #108

Why do you think she comes from an upper class background? Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2014 #94

Whatever. Italy has refused to extradite criminals to the U.S. before because they were candidates Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #3

Article 9 of the extradition treaty allows for extradition to be refused if the death penalty Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #38

I doubt Italy will change its current policy. morningfog Feb 2014 #4

Right, because this would be a first. kcr Feb 2014 #5

If it's a valid extradition request according to the extradition treaty, then yes. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #10

Italy has violated the treaty before Downtown Hound Feb 2014 #12

Again, Article 9 of the treaty explicitly allows extradition to be refused Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #42

Right, but that's what's being debated, isn't it? kcr Feb 2014 #13

The key word here is "valid". sked14 Feb 2014 #16

Italy has refused to extridite fugitives facing the death penalty in the USA. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #19

Article 9 of the treaty explicitly allows for that. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #47

Every country that doesn't have the death penalty does that. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #74

Exactly. Here's one case where it's happened and some Alabama AG was pissed off... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #76

Does her actual guilt or innocence matter to you? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #21

The point of an extradition treaty is that extradition takes place upon a valid request. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #39

Once again, the key word is valid, sked14 Feb 2014 #41

Most guilty people would claim the same thing about their trial and their prosecutor. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #43

It's fact that the prosecutor was under indictment at the time for sked14 Feb 2014 #51

Again, the whole point of an extradition treaty Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #56

"Just let requests be made and decided on a case-by-case basis" sked14 Feb 2014 #62

If things were that simple, Roman Polanski would be in prison... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #72

Well, all requests are automatically valid then using that logic kcr Feb 2014 #52

So if some country convicts, says a president of the US, you think The Straight Story Feb 2014 #49

If it's a country with which we have an extradition treaty, then yes, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #58

Umm, yes they should refuse... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #73

Right, because Italy totally wants OUR fugitives hanging around in their country... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #22

First Italy needs to come and get THESE fugitives: mainer Feb 2014 #28

I guess you've never heard of Robert Lady Savannahmann Feb 2014 #46

As far as I know, Italy has not requested the extradition of this person from the United States. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #54

Several actually. Savannahmann Feb 2014 #68

I don't see anything in those links where Italy requested his extradition from the US. (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #75

So he was refused entry in Costa Rica and detained in Panama because? Savannahmann Feb 2014 #77

Your bolded section refers to extradition from Panama, not the US (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #79

Lady was in Panama when the Interpol warrant was discovered Savannahmann Feb 2014 #82

So why hasn't Italy requested to extradite this person from the US? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #83

They Have Savannahmann Feb 2014 #84

For starters, there is no such thing as an "Interpol Warrant". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #87

"... the Italian government still has issued no extradition requests to the United States." Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #88

Actually its not just one person, there's 23 people total they've refused to extradite riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #89

"the Italian government has never asked for the Americans to be extradited" Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #90

My article is more recent than that one so I presume it has more updated information riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #96

fuck that. cali Feb 2014 #63

Oh cali. The constant potty-mouth is a little unbecoming (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #67

Potty mouth? Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2014 #95

Snowden might enjoy Italy a bit better than Russia. JVS Feb 2014 #78

True dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #97

Except in the case of your Madoff analogy, we'd be trying to extradite one of our own JoePhilly Feb 2014 #91

Why should citizenship matter? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #92

So let's say Putin, via a Russian, court finds a few Americans GUILTY JoePhilly Feb 2014 #93

The first example you mentioned couldn't even attract charges. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #98

Use the stand in law ... "Hooliganism", which is what Pussy Riot was charged with. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #99

In the case of Pussy Riot hooliganism was appropriate. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #101

Extradite me to Grammarland. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #103

So you would support us extraditing Russian citizens in that scenario? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #105

Foreign diplomats are thankfully not petulant children. Hosnon Feb 2014 #100

she didnt get a fair trial Niceguy1 Feb 2014 #102

I've heard Florence is nice. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #104

why so much hate for this young woman chillfactor Feb 2014 #106