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In reply to the discussion: If the US refuses to extradite Knox, fugitives from justice here should get their asses to Italy. [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)84. They Have
I know this is hard for you to understand. But they have. Which is why there is an Interpol warrant out for him.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/07/20/italy-continue-efforts-toward-justice-cia-abuses
I keep giving you more links, and you keep pretending that the truth is somehow just outside the realm of understanding. Robert Lady and 23 others were tried, and convicted. A warrant has been issued for the return of Robert Lady to Italy. The United States is ignoring the Warrant, and the Extradition, and taking action to make sure that nobody else holds him.
Italy issued an international arrest warrant for Lady in December 2012, due to the length of his sentence. Though sentenced to nine years, Lady would only serve six years in prison due to automatic reductions under Italian sentencing guidelines.
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/29/u_s_chased_down_snowden_but_let_cia_operative_robert_seldon_lady_disappear_partner/
Recently, Lady proved a one-day wonder. After years in absentia poof! he reappeared out of nowhere on the border between Panama and Costa Rica, and made the news when Panamanian officials took him into custody on an Interpol warrant. The CIAs station chief in Milan back in 2003, he had achieved brief notoriety for overseeing a la dolce vita version of extraordinary rendition as part of Washingtons Global War on Terror. His colleagues kidnapped Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, a radical Muslim cleric and terror suspect, off the streets of Milan, and rendered him via U.S. airbases in Italy and Germany to the torture chambers of Hosni Mubaraks Egypt. Lady evidently rode shotgun on that transfer.
His Agency associates proved to be the crew that couldnt spook straight. They left behind such a traceable trail of five-star-hotel and restaurant bills, charges on false credit cards, and unencrypted cell phone calls that the Italian government tracked them down, identified them, and charged 23 of them, Lady included, with kidnapping.
Lady fled Italy, leaving behind a multimillion-dollar villa near Turin meant for his retirement. (It was later confiscated and sold to make restitution payments to Nasr.) Convicted in absentia in 2009, Lady received a nine-year sentence (later reduced to six). He had by then essentially vanished after admitting to an Italian newspaper, Of course it was an illegal operation. But thats our job. Were at war against terrorism.
His Agency associates proved to be the crew that couldnt spook straight. They left behind such a traceable trail of five-star-hotel and restaurant bills, charges on false credit cards, and unencrypted cell phone calls that the Italian government tracked them down, identified them, and charged 23 of them, Lady included, with kidnapping.
Lady fled Italy, leaving behind a multimillion-dollar villa near Turin meant for his retirement. (It was later confiscated and sold to make restitution payments to Nasr.) Convicted in absentia in 2009, Lady received a nine-year sentence (later reduced to six). He had by then essentially vanished after admitting to an Italian newspaper, Of course it was an illegal operation. But thats our job. Were at war against terrorism.
I don't know how many more links you'll need before you come to the conclusion, inescapable conclusion, that the United States is hiding this guy and refusing to turn him over. I've got no idea how much more you need before you come to that realization. Extradition isn't something that we would never ignore under any circumstances which makes our outrage at Russia holding onto Snowden and refusing to turn him over that much more hollow.
But keep on pretending that the truth is there is some sort of technicality, and that's why we haven't turned Lady over. And why we spirited him out of Panama, and why we refuse to even discuss the issue. Because much like your apparent attitude, if you ignore the evidence long enough, perhaps it will go away.

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If the US refuses to extradite Knox, fugitives from justice here should get their asses to Italy. [View all]
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
OP
If we truly believe that the Italian justice system is comprised of "kangaroo courts",
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#8
I agree. They don't have a modern system of justice even though they pretend to.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#81
You are trying to speak logic, law and evidence to those that are convinced the Italian justice
Fred Sanders
Feb 2014
#107
maybe that is all true, and she is innocent, but she should go appeal her conviction then
quinnox
Feb 2014
#15
Yeah, I know this comes as a big shock to you, but Earthquake prediction is hardly an exact science
Downtown Hound
Feb 2014
#34
I think Italy is a civilized and modern Western style country, and it would be wrong to allow
quinnox
Feb 2014
#37
My opinion is, other countries have their own justice systems, and it really is none of our business
quinnox
Feb 2014
#40
I didn't say that. I said she should have to face whatever the justice system in Italy requires
quinnox
Feb 2014
#57
My main issue is that she was falsely arrested, falsely accused by a corrupt prosecutor,
sked14
Feb 2014
#55
Oh and, what situation would you have never put yourself into in the first place?
Downtown Hound
Feb 2014
#25
Would you choose to face a foreign justice system that had already falsely convicted you for murder?
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#80
Whatever. Italy has refused to extradite criminals to the U.S. before because they were candidates
Downtown Hound
Feb 2014
#3
Article 9 of the extradition treaty allows for extradition to be refused if the death penalty
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#38
If it's a valid extradition request according to the extradition treaty, then yes.
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#10
Italy has refused to extridite fugitives facing the death penalty in the USA.
NutmegYankee
Feb 2014
#19
Exactly. Here's one case where it's happened and some Alabama AG was pissed off...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2014
#76
The point of an extradition treaty is that extradition takes place upon a valid request.
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#39
Most guilty people would claim the same thing about their trial and their prosecutor.
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#43
Right, because Italy totally wants OUR fugitives hanging around in their country...
Hippo_Tron
Feb 2014
#22
As far as I know, Italy has not requested the extradition of this person from the United States.
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#54
I don't see anything in those links where Italy requested his extradition from the US. (nt)
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#75
"... the Italian government still has issued no extradition requests to the United States."
Nye Bevan
Feb 2014
#88
Actually its not just one person, there's 23 people total they've refused to extradite
riderinthestorm
Feb 2014
#89
My article is more recent than that one so I presume it has more updated information
riderinthestorm
Feb 2014
#96
Except in the case of your Madoff analogy, we'd be trying to extradite one of our own
JoePhilly
Feb 2014
#91
Use the stand in law ... "Hooliganism", which is what Pussy Riot was charged with.
JoePhilly
Feb 2014
#99