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In reply to the discussion: What's your favorite Woody Allen movie? [View all]liberalmuse
(18,881 posts)271. This is a good article.
I remember when the accusations first came out. Farrow was incredibly angry, understandibly so, and I just don't know what to think about all this. I'm not defending Allen, but I remember Farrow ranting a lot when the scandal broke about the affair with her adopted daughter Soon Yi and Woody Allen. This is such a sensitive thing because many children aren't believed when they speak up about sexual abuse, but on the other hand, some children have been coaxed to "believe" they were abused (ex: McMartin preschool case).:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html
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Yes, you "read" my reply wrong and posted a deeply offensive comment with no provocation.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#112
If they're not his kids, yes I'm defending that right. As does the law of NY and every other state.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#133
Since you seem determined to insinuate that I support child rape, this discussion is over.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#185
Yep. You post tea party style smears and accusations with no regard for truth.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#196
He was the partner of Mia and a father-figure to all the kids -- so psychologically speaking he was
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#147
That link supports what I said, not what you're claiming. Thanks, though, it was interesting.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#160
So you didn't read the part that talks about how Allen had little to do with the other children.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#180
From HIS perspective he had little to do with them. But from THEIR perspective,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#187
Yes, I did, although I skimmed much of it. Did it mention the brother? I was looking for the answer
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#190
You managed to skim right over anything that didn't agree with your preconceived notions.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#197
You don't have to read EVERY article to have an opinion. I've read a number over the years,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#236
Yet you asked for information it provides AFTER I gave you the link and you said you read it.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#240
Yes, it did address it. Again you didn't read the article you claimed you did.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#249
I'm not saying Woody should go to prison or even to trial. But I don't have to respect him,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#251
I don't know why Mia did anything, or if she did. It's the young woman I believe. nt
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#259
So you don't care if Mia Farrow brainwashed her children? that's what her own child claims.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#266
Moses is one child who obviously wasn't there when Allen was molesting his sister.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#270
How can you say I'm ignoring "all the proof that he didn't do it." All these years later,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#290
I know this is hard but a lack of PROOF generally leans toward innocence.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#295
Of course it does -- in a TRIAL. But not in real life. In real life, all it is is a lack of proof.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#300
Ah! So we should condemn anyone accused of molestation regardless of a lack of evidence.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#308
Why do you continue to put words in my mouth? I said repeatedly that I don't think he should
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#320
You realize, of course...that Moses Farrow is a licensed family therapist. So if he uses the
msanthrope
Feb 2014
#371
scarily invested in proving his innocence. sad that he'll never be able to....
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#336
I can't help what you choose to believe based on two photos without context.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#408
Dylan also changed her story several times. You forgot to mention that part.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#176
I read about it in one of the Vanity Fair articles. And, as I said, I reserved judgement when it was
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#246
So you're calling Moses Farrow a liar? Or is he not quite as believable for some reason?
last1standing
Feb 2014
#248
Moses Farrow can't speak to what happened to the sister who was 7 when he was 17.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#250
So the 17 year old is mistaken while the 7 year old is absolutely right.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#252
The 17 year old can't speak for what happened in private to his younger sister. He wasn't there. n/t
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#256
She was an adult and you tried to mislead people into thinking she was underaged by being vague.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#305
He was 55, and the legal father of three of her siblings. It doesn't matter legally whether
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#309
Then where's your condemnation Frank Sinatra and the millions of other spring/autumn relationships?
last1standing
Feb 2014
#311
Frank Sinatra didn't marry the sister of his kids. That's the part you keep glossing over.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#315
Allen got involved with the adopted full-grown adult sister of his kids.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#319
It doesn't matter that she was a young adult. Not to the kids. She was their sister.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#321
Mia didn't invent the incest taboo, and it doesn't matter psychologically if a sibling is adopted.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#324
There was no incest. There was nothing approaching incest. Why post deceptions like that?
last1standing
Feb 2014
#326
It is psychological incest when a father has sex with your sister, even if it isn't legal incest.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#329
Strange how he found probably cause when the actual investigators found no evidence whatsoever
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#366
Yes, it's normal. It may not be your normal but for millions of others it is.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#347
it's normal for men with money and power to do whatever the fuck they want, betray their partners...
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#353
They've been together 20 years -- much longer than Farrow was with Allen. When will the
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#368
Once again (and again and again) if you had read the article you'd have your answer.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#257
I read the article -- and I've read other articles written by authors who disagree with this guy.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#312
For fuck's sake. You've already admitted that you didn't read it after claiming you did.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#314
I've had time to read it again in the last hour. And I also read the most recent V.F. article.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#318
I said Allen didn't have much to do with the "other kids" meaning those not his own.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#322
That doesn't change how they regarded him. And it doesn't lessen the effect his behavior had
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#325
Woody has a history of molesting a 7 year old girl who is now 26 and can speak for herself.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#145
You protect real pedophiles because you hate men who date younger women.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#402
No. He never lived with his step daughter. If you claim otherwise you are spreading untruths.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#45
Again, Soon-Yi was never allen's step daughter. I've mentioned this before.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#56
No, I don't. But Mia Farrow does. She supports her child molester brother as well.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#116
You seem to have no problem with Mia Farrow who defends convicted child molesters.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#123
"Why are you defending Allen when he is a pedophile?" This is the real question.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#38
When one is raped at 7 by one's father, and the state finds probable cause, and the child
Squinch
Feb 2014
#19
Her story changed several times which is one of the reasons she wasn't believable.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#24
No, you are posting misrepresentations and statements from an official who was repremanded for it.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#39
Link that. I am linking sources, and you are simply saying, "no, no, you are hateful."
Squinch
Feb 2014
#63
LOL! I see you only accept the fact you want to accept. Anything else is opinion.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#172
And others of her children, and friends and family, and psychologists, have said that he was not
Squinch
Feb 2014
#192
LOL! You can't be real. No one could post what you have and not see how they look.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#222
You too. Make sure to count the ways adults aren't allowed to have sex before you sleep.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#231
There was no physical evidence of rape, but don't let that stop you. And please don't tell
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#373
You seem to think that being aggressively certain about things you can't know makes you moral.
cthulu2016
Feb 2014
#12
You responded to the wrong post. Your response seems to fit better if directed to post #5.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#28
I suppose the state of Connecticut was brainwashed too, when they found probable cause?
Squinch
Feb 2014
#22
Delusions are not false testimony, they are delusions. Quote. And delusions are not the same as
WCLinolVir
Feb 2014
#223
She's a woman, which makes me believe it even more. It's disturbing and sad. nt
adirondacker
Feb 2014
#60
huh? i believe her too but what's being a woman have to do with it? if the victim was male
dionysus
Feb 2014
#129
I took that to mean that she is now grown, she is no longer a child, and her story hasn't changed.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#153
No, that wasn't my intention and sorry if it came out that way. I was attempting to state that she
adirondacker
Feb 2014
#162
It's creepy how there's always people rushing to defend celebrity child molesters. n/t
eShirl
Feb 2014
#18
It's even creepier how there are always people rushing to condemn innocent people.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#20
If you want to believe a story that has never been proved then be sickened.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#114
there is no doubting that Woody pursued the young adopted daughter of his longtime partner
Skittles
Feb 2014
#124
He pursued an adult woman who was adopted by Mia Farrow and her husband (not Allen).
last1standing
Feb 2014
#126
Nope. Merely pointed out that homophobes use the same logic to condemn consenting adults.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#199
You should ask yourself why you post things that aren't true and use them as facts.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#210
What part of "adult" did you choose to ignore first when posting this bullshit?
last1standing
Feb 2014
#403
A "desire to be oppressed"? Sure, bud. Go into the LGBT group here and repeat that. I'm sure you
cinnabonbon
Feb 2014
#400
Aww! Look at you try to change the subject and still act like I wrote something I didn't.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#401
Actually, the facts show that a panel of psychiatrists, without ever speaking to her,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#173
Clearly. They're like snarling dogs. Because someone has reported that her father molested her.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#31
And there was trouble with his behavior with Dylan from the time she was very young,
Squinch
Feb 2014
#68
the rich famous ones run to Europe. Wood and that Polanski skeevy dirtbag shitstain.
Whisp
Feb 2014
#36
"Nick Kristof doesn't shovel shit." Well, he must have no relation with one
Chathamization
Feb 2014
#310
or Altman, Scorcese. I'd actually put Tarantino and Spielberg above Woody now that he does caper
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#254
The unmade Disney sequel - Honey, I Married the Kid. Bananas or Take the money and Run.
marble falls
Feb 2014
#102
The poor kid, and how brave she is to speak out. Healing to be whole, I hope she succeeds.
Jefferson23
Feb 2014
#110
With Soon Yi, no boundries in place. To listen to Woody, the relationship makes sense, ugh:
Jefferson23
Feb 2014
#139
Thanks, I have already read it. Dylan has my support..which is meaningless, I know.
Jefferson23
Feb 2014
#168
that is a very good article that everyone should read before they solidify their opinions
Douglas Carpenter
Feb 2014
#277
"...sexual abuse and emotional traumas are not rational issues..." - Worst post in this thread.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#356
In the midst of a witch hunt, it also requires courage to defend someone who could be innocent.
Bonobo
Feb 2014
#171
Uh, guess you should know at what age Woody started taking pictures of her nude. HINT she was not an
WCLinolVir
Feb 2014
#200
Actually, I think the pictures were discovered in 92, when Soon-yi was 19.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#215
According to what I read at the time, she was a minor and still living with her mother when they
WCLinolVir
Feb 2014
#413
The "judge and jury in one" posters forget that Allen is innocent until proved guilty.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#202
To any who can't understand why rapes and sexual assaults often go unreported, read this thread!
Squinch
Feb 2014
#194
There's a good amount of evidence suggesting these were implanted memories.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#209
The prosecutor said he had sufficient cause to charge him, but decided not to bring the
Squinch
Feb 2014
#216
Yes, I believe based on the totally anecdotal evidence that it is more likely false memory.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#294
No, you're wrong. This is not the same as all other cases of shaming victims.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#302
And what you simply don't understand is that YOUR conclusion, however you have come to it,
Squinch
Feb 2014
#372
And I am horrifyingly sure that this is the attitude that sex assault victims come up
Squinch
Feb 2014
#288
And when I say she has a right to be heard, you say that I am being deceptive.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#286
Wrong. Totally wrong. Don't try and shame me for something I didn't say.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#289
"I will not put up with such garbage" is a ridiculous thing to say. What does that even mean?
Squinch
Feb 2014
#292
It means I'm not going to let you lecture me on the gross underreporting of sexual assault.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#299
It is not for you to "let" or "not let" anyone here do anything. You are not in a position to
Squinch
Feb 2014
#374
It would have been better if they prosecuted it, but the timing of this is probably just as good.
lostincalifornia
Feb 2014
#239