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Warren DeMontague

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7. Because when confronted with the tragedy of an overdose, most people viscerally understand

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2014, 06:00 PM

Feb 2014

that addiction vis a vis hard drugs is a public health issue, not a law enforcement one.

To say our national attitude around drugs is conflicted is an understatement, but I believe it is evolving.

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A telling phenomenon: the absent outrage over Phillip Seymour Hoffman's criminality [View all] cthulu2016 Feb 2014 OP

Good lord. He died. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #1

Smart people won't have any comprehension problem with it. cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #2

Yes, you are correct. I am really really stupid. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #4

If you're really stupid CatWoman Feb 2014 #39

Me yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #64

You are totally missing the point. Did you read the OP? Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #75

You cant fight "righteous indignation." Beside it says in the Bible that you cant speak ill of the rhett o rick Feb 2014 #120

And there's my laugh for the day. nt 7962 Feb 2014 #127

Are you calling D stupid? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #5

At worst, they were calling "D" not-smart, and only if D didn't get it. morningfog Feb 2014 #82

Smart people are sad.... whistler162 Feb 2014 #12

When I was 13, I went through a stage where I wrote reams of pretentious poetry demwing Feb 2014 #43

I was 17 and dropping acid when I was a literary genius! Walk away Feb 2014 #58

Here's to being too brilliant demwing Feb 2014 #69

I'm 43 MynameisBlarney Feb 2014 #119

Me too. bravenak Feb 2014 #104

Great way to rationalize poor writing. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #115

Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron checking in. Roof! ryan_cats Feb 2014 #116

That was rude. And not the best way to make your point. yardwork Feb 2014 #132

I think it is an exceptionally good rant. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #17

I agree. It really hits the hypocrisy nail on the head and I will risk saying this: kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #83

To each their own. bvar22 Feb 2014 #25

I understood it just fine Scootaloo Feb 2014 #55

And thank you for saving me five minutes hatrack Feb 2014 #91

I get all that.. sendero Feb 2014 #101

PSH kardonb Feb 2014 #67

sorry human being? CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #92

With all DUE respect, WeRQ4U Feb 2014 #98

Amen! FloridaJudy Feb 2014 #128

Take a fucking hike. Your gloating is repulsive. (nt) Paladin Feb 2014 #99

We can't all be perfect. yardwork Feb 2014 #133

Agreed. Most strange. WillowTree Feb 2014 #72

It's using vs selling Bonx Feb 2014 #3

I'm not convinced sellers are enablers Major Nikon Feb 2014 #56

You say: truedelphi Feb 2014 #77

From what I understand, once one gets on Paxil, it's a bitch to get off. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #129

100 times worse than giving up alcohol, in my personal experience. yardwork Feb 2014 #134

I have a very good friend who started taking Paxil in 1999. Maedhros Feb 2014 #135

sellers are enablers.... madrchsod Feb 2014 #80

Good rant. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #6

Because when confronted with the tragedy of an overdose, most people viscerally understand Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #7

Rightous rant..but too soon. Captain Stern Feb 2014 #8

It's not so much about the man, but the issue of how Whisp Feb 2014 #26

I have to disagree sammythecat Feb 2014 #131

There is a logical flaw in your post. JVS Feb 2014 #9

I agree. That line struck me the same way. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #85

Well ... there goes the absence of outrage. 1000words Feb 2014 #10

You seem to be replying to some other OP cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #13

No, you're making a lot of unrelated assumptions frazzled Feb 2014 #11

but it is the people hfojvt Feb 2014 #15

Look, the traffic laws are unequally enforced frazzled Feb 2014 #20

So you have to post this NOW? Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #14

he wont be called a crack ho like whitney houston was - race stlll matters Liberal_in_LA Feb 2014 #16

+1 Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #19

Please. Houston/Brown saga was a train wreck. 1000words Feb 2014 #21

so heath ledg�r and hoffman's addictions were clean middle class high minded addictions? Liberal_in_LA Feb 2014 #28

The fact they pretty much came out of nowhere ... 1000words Feb 2014 #31

H. Leger was a total mess for a while, but the tabloids ignored it. Maybe because he was cute with bettyellen Feb 2014 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #124

guy who plays iron man, major train wreck, broke into home slept in some kids bed Liberal_in_LA Feb 2014 #51

"It's like I have a gun in my mouth and I like the taste" REP Feb 2014 #70

I don't think you are recalling how guys like Letterman and Leno used RDJr. as a punchline.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #123

The difference was they were able to function as drug addict without calling attention to themselves ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #125

Thread winner malaise Feb 2014 #35

So he should check his privilege? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #36

everybody doesn't like Phillip Seymour Hoffman hfojvt Feb 2014 #18

Isn't it possible that Obama would not have been the man he is demwing Feb 2014 #48

Lolz! Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #76

except he made a good choice hfojvt Feb 2014 #88

Did he? demwing Feb 2014 #89

I guess you did not see the Ides of March then? merrily Feb 2014 #63

Surprised that a person with political interests whould not have seen Charlie Wilson's War Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #93

Absolutely agree! Amaril Feb 2014 #95

good post /nt dballance Feb 2014 #22

best rant I've heard here in a long time. Whisp Feb 2014 #23

The person who called me to tell me Hoffman is dead also said truedelphi Feb 2014 #24

Yes erpowers Feb 2014 #50

He was an admitted heroin addict. AngryAmish Feb 2014 #57

sorry..the man is dead chillfactor Feb 2014 #27

I think it's TOO SOON to talk about the heroin. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #29

Interesting how polarized the reaction to your OP is n/t Fumesucker Feb 2014 #30

No, I don't think it's too soon. hunter Feb 2014 #32

regrettably, I can only rec this OP once.... mike_c Feb 2014 #33

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author KoKo Feb 2014 #37

The real... deathrind Feb 2014 #38

It's really no surprise to myself, I applaud your Op, Recommended. Hopefully it will open some AuntPatsy Feb 2014 #40

Good rant 2naSalit Feb 2014 #41

I think the difference between PSH and other heroin addicts is how they go about justiceischeap Feb 2014 #42

Not too soon, great points! n-t Logical Feb 2014 #44

Thoughtful and illustrative post. Thanks. theaocp Feb 2014 #45

Too soon Android3.14 Feb 2014 #46

I'm usually 'meh, tl;dr', but this was excellent. K&R closeupready Feb 2014 #47

Why is society so pathologically hypocritical about drugs? I suggest two reasons: JEB Feb 2014 #52

Cthulhu, I have a question. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #53

Good point, one wonders. But PSH isn't from the"right" generation perhaps? anneboleyn Feb 2014 #62

at least get your facts straight, lou had hepc that is what borked his liver. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #71

But he did die indirectly as the result of IV drug use due to the Hep C. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #102

He died more directly as a consequence of drug prohibition. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #118

Well said dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #54

^^ this ^^ Myrina Feb 2014 #65

You're quite welcome dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #126

I've read some off-the-wall posts on here mimi85 Feb 2014 #59

I didn't know he was a drug user. I'm still trying Ilsa Feb 2014 #60

Our society has many laws, that apply differently depending Rex Feb 2014 #61

This is a strange way to find out They_Live Feb 2014 #66

Thanks for the post, cthulu. LuvNewcastle Feb 2014 #68

A telling phenomenon: the absent outrage over Phillip Seymour Hoffman's criminality argo Feb 2014 #73

Then there's the mental illness factor AndreaCG Feb 2014 #74

Excellent post. blue neen Feb 2014 #87

Yes and yes. Excellent rant. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #78

unless you have lived in that culture you have no real understanding of heroin and it`s addition. madrchsod Feb 2014 #79

I was afraid I'd have to wait 12 hours before reading a vulture piece like this Orrex Feb 2014 #81

+1. "Vulture Piece" is a good description. (nt) Paladin Feb 2014 #94

Yes it is, and the insinuation demwing Feb 2014 #107

What are you even talking about? brett_jv Feb 2014 #117

Good post. morningfog Feb 2014 #84

We are addicted to mean and stupid. I don't know exactly when it happened, or even if the change Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #86

Spot on! Puglover Feb 2014 #90

I totally agree with you gopiscrap Feb 2014 #96

I would venture a guess that a number of people died yesterday from Oxydone randr Feb 2014 #97

I vote #2 MicaelS Feb 2014 #100

I think it's an excellent OP. There is not a shred of animosity towards PSH. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #103

Isn't it stupid? bravenak Feb 2014 #105

Here we go again. Madmiddle Feb 2014 #106

You're exhibiting one of the really ugly effects of heroin. Paladin Feb 2014 #109

Yeah, that's pretty much BS man ... brett_jv Feb 2014 #112

How could you not have a number 3 in your list? randome Feb 2014 #108

But heroin is supposed to be for the 1%. It's criminal for everyone else. valerief Feb 2014 #110

Fuck you Dopers_Greed Feb 2014 #111

Try going to the CNN article about it ... brett_jv Feb 2014 #113

Didn't see their's, but you're probably right Dopers_Greed Feb 2014 #114

Sorry, cthulu,you're right, heroin addicts aren't criminals. Nitram Feb 2014 #121

A thought that crossed my mind Mr.Bill Feb 2014 #122

Don't forget, a lot of players have a vested interest, both political and financial, in keeping tblue37 Feb 2014 #130