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hunter

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32. No, I don't think it's too soon.

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Feb 2, 2014, 06:46 PM

Feb 2014

Drug addiction is a public health problem, not a problem for the law to deal with.

Make treatment easily available to everyone, along with supervised dispensation of quality, pharmaceutical drugs if necessary.

If we did this, much crime would evaporate and tragedies would be rare. If drug addiction was treated as a chronic disease rather than a crime patients would have no incentive at all to deal with criminals. How many people are buying unsourced, unlabled beer in two liter pop bottles from sketchy street corner dealers this Super Bowl weekend?

But there is too much money in it for the authoritarians, the bankers, and the criminals they associate with. Drug "enforcement" is used as an excuse to harass and imprison certain classes of people, to collect and launder money from criminals, etc., etc..

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A telling phenomenon: the absent outrage over Phillip Seymour Hoffman's criminality [View all] cthulu2016 Feb 2014 OP

Good lord. He died. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #1

Smart people won't have any comprehension problem with it. cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #2

Yes, you are correct. I am really really stupid. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #4

If you're really stupid CatWoman Feb 2014 #39

Me yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #64

You are totally missing the point. Did you read the OP? Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #75

You cant fight "righteous indignation." Beside it says in the Bible that you cant speak ill of the rhett o rick Feb 2014 #120

And there's my laugh for the day. nt 7962 Feb 2014 #127

Are you calling D stupid? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #5

At worst, they were calling "D" not-smart, and only if D didn't get it. morningfog Feb 2014 #82

Smart people are sad.... whistler162 Feb 2014 #12

When I was 13, I went through a stage where I wrote reams of pretentious poetry demwing Feb 2014 #43

I was 17 and dropping acid when I was a literary genius! Walk away Feb 2014 #58

Here's to being too brilliant demwing Feb 2014 #69

I'm 43 MynameisBlarney Feb 2014 #119

Me too. bravenak Feb 2014 #104

Great way to rationalize poor writing. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #115

Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron checking in. Roof! ryan_cats Feb 2014 #116

That was rude. And not the best way to make your point. yardwork Feb 2014 #132

I think it is an exceptionally good rant. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #17

I agree. It really hits the hypocrisy nail on the head and I will risk saying this: kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #83

To each their own. bvar22 Feb 2014 #25

I understood it just fine Scootaloo Feb 2014 #55

And thank you for saving me five minutes hatrack Feb 2014 #91

I get all that.. sendero Feb 2014 #101

PSH kardonb Feb 2014 #67

sorry human being? CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #92

With all DUE respect, WeRQ4U Feb 2014 #98

Amen! FloridaJudy Feb 2014 #128

Take a fucking hike. Your gloating is repulsive. (nt) Paladin Feb 2014 #99

We can't all be perfect. yardwork Feb 2014 #133

Agreed. Most strange. WillowTree Feb 2014 #72

It's using vs selling Bonx Feb 2014 #3

I'm not convinced sellers are enablers Major Nikon Feb 2014 #56

You say: truedelphi Feb 2014 #77

From what I understand, once one gets on Paxil, it's a bitch to get off. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #129

100 times worse than giving up alcohol, in my personal experience. yardwork Feb 2014 #134

I have a very good friend who started taking Paxil in 1999. Maedhros Feb 2014 #135

sellers are enablers.... madrchsod Feb 2014 #80

Good rant. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #6

Because when confronted with the tragedy of an overdose, most people viscerally understand Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #7

Rightous rant..but too soon. Captain Stern Feb 2014 #8

It's not so much about the man, but the issue of how Whisp Feb 2014 #26

I have to disagree sammythecat Feb 2014 #131

There is a logical flaw in your post. JVS Feb 2014 #9

I agree. That line struck me the same way. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #85

Well ... there goes the absence of outrage. 1000words Feb 2014 #10

You seem to be replying to some other OP cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #13

No, you're making a lot of unrelated assumptions frazzled Feb 2014 #11

but it is the people hfojvt Feb 2014 #15

Look, the traffic laws are unequally enforced frazzled Feb 2014 #20

So you have to post this NOW? Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #14

he wont be called a crack ho like whitney houston was - race stlll matters Liberal_in_LA Feb 2014 #16

+1 Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #19

Please. Houston/Brown saga was a train wreck. 1000words Feb 2014 #21

so heath ledg�r and hoffman's addictions were clean middle class high minded addictions? Liberal_in_LA Feb 2014 #28

The fact they pretty much came out of nowhere ... 1000words Feb 2014 #31

H. Leger was a total mess for a while, but the tabloids ignored it. Maybe because he was cute with bettyellen Feb 2014 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #124

guy who plays iron man, major train wreck, broke into home slept in some kids bed Liberal_in_LA Feb 2014 #51

"It's like I have a gun in my mouth and I like the taste" REP Feb 2014 #70

I don't think you are recalling how guys like Letterman and Leno used RDJr. as a punchline.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #123

The difference was they were able to function as drug addict without calling attention to themselves ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #125

Thread winner malaise Feb 2014 #35

So he should check his privilege? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #36

everybody doesn't like Phillip Seymour Hoffman hfojvt Feb 2014 #18

Isn't it possible that Obama would not have been the man he is demwing Feb 2014 #48

Lolz! Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #76

except he made a good choice hfojvt Feb 2014 #88

Did he? demwing Feb 2014 #89

I guess you did not see the Ides of March then? merrily Feb 2014 #63

Surprised that a person with political interests whould not have seen Charlie Wilson's War Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #93

Absolutely agree! Amaril Feb 2014 #95

good post /nt dballance Feb 2014 #22

best rant I've heard here in a long time. Whisp Feb 2014 #23

The person who called me to tell me Hoffman is dead also said truedelphi Feb 2014 #24

Yes erpowers Feb 2014 #50

He was an admitted heroin addict. AngryAmish Feb 2014 #57

sorry..the man is dead chillfactor Feb 2014 #27

I think it's TOO SOON to talk about the heroin. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #29

Interesting how polarized the reaction to your OP is n/t Fumesucker Feb 2014 #30

No, I don't think it's too soon. hunter Feb 2014 #32

regrettably, I can only rec this OP once.... mike_c Feb 2014 #33

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author KoKo Feb 2014 #37

The real... deathrind Feb 2014 #38

It's really no surprise to myself, I applaud your Op, Recommended. Hopefully it will open some AuntPatsy Feb 2014 #40

Good rant 2naSalit Feb 2014 #41

I think the difference between PSH and other heroin addicts is how they go about justiceischeap Feb 2014 #42

Not too soon, great points! n-t Logical Feb 2014 #44

Thoughtful and illustrative post. Thanks. theaocp Feb 2014 #45

Too soon Android3.14 Feb 2014 #46

I'm usually 'meh, tl;dr', but this was excellent. K&R closeupready Feb 2014 #47

Why is society so pathologically hypocritical about drugs? I suggest two reasons: JEB Feb 2014 #52

Cthulhu, I have a question. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #53

Good point, one wonders. But PSH isn't from the"right" generation perhaps? anneboleyn Feb 2014 #62

at least get your facts straight, lou had hepc that is what borked his liver. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #71

But he did die indirectly as the result of IV drug use due to the Hep C. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #102

He died more directly as a consequence of drug prohibition. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #118

Well said dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #54

^^ this ^^ Myrina Feb 2014 #65

You're quite welcome dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #126

I've read some off-the-wall posts on here mimi85 Feb 2014 #59

I didn't know he was a drug user. I'm still trying Ilsa Feb 2014 #60

Our society has many laws, that apply differently depending Rex Feb 2014 #61

This is a strange way to find out They_Live Feb 2014 #66

Thanks for the post, cthulu. LuvNewcastle Feb 2014 #68

A telling phenomenon: the absent outrage over Phillip Seymour Hoffman's criminality argo Feb 2014 #73

Then there's the mental illness factor AndreaCG Feb 2014 #74

Excellent post. blue neen Feb 2014 #87

Yes and yes. Excellent rant. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #78

unless you have lived in that culture you have no real understanding of heroin and it`s addition. madrchsod Feb 2014 #79

I was afraid I'd have to wait 12 hours before reading a vulture piece like this Orrex Feb 2014 #81

+1. "Vulture Piece" is a good description. (nt) Paladin Feb 2014 #94

Yes it is, and the insinuation demwing Feb 2014 #107

What are you even talking about? brett_jv Feb 2014 #117

Good post. morningfog Feb 2014 #84

We are addicted to mean and stupid. I don't know exactly when it happened, or even if the change Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #86

Spot on! Puglover Feb 2014 #90

I totally agree with you gopiscrap Feb 2014 #96

I would venture a guess that a number of people died yesterday from Oxydone randr Feb 2014 #97

I vote #2 MicaelS Feb 2014 #100

I think it's an excellent OP. There is not a shred of animosity towards PSH. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #103

Isn't it stupid? bravenak Feb 2014 #105

Here we go again. Madmiddle Feb 2014 #106

You're exhibiting one of the really ugly effects of heroin. Paladin Feb 2014 #109

Yeah, that's pretty much BS man ... brett_jv Feb 2014 #112

How could you not have a number 3 in your list? randome Feb 2014 #108

But heroin is supposed to be for the 1%. It's criminal for everyone else. valerief Feb 2014 #110

Fuck you Dopers_Greed Feb 2014 #111

Try going to the CNN article about it ... brett_jv Feb 2014 #113

Didn't see their's, but you're probably right Dopers_Greed Feb 2014 #114

Sorry, cthulu,you're right, heroin addicts aren't criminals. Nitram Feb 2014 #121

A thought that crossed my mind Mr.Bill Feb 2014 #122

Don't forget, a lot of players have a vested interest, both political and financial, in keeping tblue37 Feb 2014 #130