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In reply to the discussion: We NEED a pipeline in America [View all]Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)16. Here's a good baseline:
It takes about 185 kWh of electrical energy to raise one acre-foot (AF) of water an elevation of 100 feet. This answer assumes an overall pumping plant efficiency of 55.4%. Friction losses in the piping system are neglected.
Southern California Edison published a paper in the 1999 ACEEE Summer Study on Energy Efficiency in Industry that provides results from over 28,000 pump efficiency tests performed between 1990 and 1997. The paper, "We've Been Testing Water Pumps for YearsHas Their Efficiency Changed?" reported overall average pumping plant efficiencies (wire-to-water) of 55.4% for centrifugal booster pumps, 58.4% for submersible booster pumps, 44.2% for submersible well pumps, 62.8% for turbine booster pumps, and 56.4% for turbine well pumps.
Energy savings from pumping plant efficiency improvements can be substantial. If the efficiency of the pumping plant discussed above is increased from 55.4% (E1) to 75% (E2), the annual energy consumption is reduced by 26.1%. Mathematically, the energy savings are expressed as:
Energy Savings = 185 kWh/AF x (1 - E1 / E2) = 185 x (1 - 0.7386) = 48.3 kWh/AF
Reduction in Energy Use = 48.3 kWh/AF / 185 kWh/AF x 100% = 26.1%
http://energyexperts.org/EnergySolutionsDatabase/ResourceDetail.aspx?id=2476
Southern California Edison published a paper in the 1999 ACEEE Summer Study on Energy Efficiency in Industry that provides results from over 28,000 pump efficiency tests performed between 1990 and 1997. The paper, "We've Been Testing Water Pumps for YearsHas Their Efficiency Changed?" reported overall average pumping plant efficiencies (wire-to-water) of 55.4% for centrifugal booster pumps, 58.4% for submersible booster pumps, 44.2% for submersible well pumps, 62.8% for turbine booster pumps, and 56.4% for turbine well pumps.
Energy savings from pumping plant efficiency improvements can be substantial. If the efficiency of the pumping plant discussed above is increased from 55.4% (E1) to 75% (E2), the annual energy consumption is reduced by 26.1%. Mathematically, the energy savings are expressed as:
Energy Savings = 185 kWh/AF x (1 - E1 / E2) = 185 x (1 - 0.7386) = 48.3 kWh/AF
Reduction in Energy Use = 48.3 kWh/AF / 185 kWh/AF x 100% = 26.1%
http://energyexperts.org/EnergySolutionsDatabase/ResourceDetail.aspx?id=2476
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That's the picture. Like the time the oil producing states sent heating oil north to keep us warm.
Octafish
Feb 2014
#23
If the pipeline bursts from water their is no long term environmental disasters on our hands...
mikeysnot
Feb 2014
#62
How is water "lighter?" Oil floats on water. And being fluids, they both will siphon.
yellowcanine
Feb 2014
#19
Viscosity would be the least of your problems in pumping flood water thousands of miles.
yellowcanine
Feb 2014
#59
Underground rivers are actually quite rare. Most underground water is in aquifers.
yellowcanine
Feb 2014
#37
I'm not so sure. Where there is a will, there is a way. I believe it is practical.
Enthusiast
Feb 2014
#78
Good one but you better add a sarcasm smile or someone will take you seriously.
yellowcanine
Feb 2014
#22
This is the goofiest thing I've read in a long time, but I'll work with you on it LOL
snooper2
Feb 2014
#24
That's the problem, isn't it? Some of us have or are in the process of taking care of
Egalitarian Thug
Feb 2014
#75
Also begs the question of why California has any right to water from the Great Lakes?
yellowcanine
Feb 2014
#31
It is easier to move people than water -- moving the water requires continuous energy
FarCenter
Feb 2014
#39
We can only divert and store so much water without destroying inland waterways with salt intrusion.
LeftyMom
Feb 2014
#67
cottonmouth is not the sole source of drought! no people's pipeline - will be corp run
lunasun
Feb 2014
#61
God, I love when people from god knows where tell Californians how to solve our water politics.
LeftyMom
Feb 2014
#68
We just need more storage! Then we can store more of the runoff that won't exist!
LeftyMom
Feb 2014
#70
This (adopted) Californian knows that none of the Californians charged with the responsibility for
Egalitarian Thug
Feb 2014
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