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In reply to the discussion: Anyone who thinks an adult telling about being molested as a child is a liar -- [View all]IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)181. "Honestly don't know" is a far cry from "she's a liar!"
If you have read the open letter she shared, and want to be ignored because you find her "not credible," I will oblige.
http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/an-open-letter-from-dylan-farrow/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
An Open Letter From Dylan Farrow
By DYLAN FARROW
Whats your favorite Woody Allen movie? Before you answer, you should know: when I was seven years old, Woody Allen took me by the hand and led me into a dim, closet-like attic on the second floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brothers electric train set. Then he sexually assaulted me. He talked to me while he did it, whispering that I was a good girl, that this was our secret, promising that wed go to Paris and Id be a star in his movies. I remember staring at that toy train, focusing on it as it traveled in its circle around the attic. To this day, I find it difficult to look at toy trains.
For as long as I could remember, my father had been doing things to me that I didnt like. I didnt like how often he would take me away from my mom, siblings and friends to be alone with him. I didnt like it when he would stick his thumb in my mouth. I didnt like it when I had to get in bed with him under the sheets when he was in his underwear. I didnt like it when he would place his head in my naked lap and breathe in and breathe out. I would hide under beds or lock myself in the bathroom to avoid these encounters, but he always found me. These things happened so often, so routinely, so skillfully hidden from a mother that would have protected me had she known, that I thought it was normal. I thought this was how fathers doted on their daughters. But what he did to me in the attic felt different. I couldnt keep the secret anymore.
When I asked my mother if her dad did to her what Woody Allen did to me, I honestly did not know the answer. I also didnt know the firestorm it would trigger. I didnt know that my father would use his sexual relationship with my sister to cover up the abuse he inflicted on me. I didnt know that he would accuse my mother of planting the abuse in my head and call her a liar for defending me. I didnt know that I would be made to recount my story over and over again, to doctor after doctor, pushed to see if Id admit I was lying as part of a legal battle I couldnt possibly understand. At one point, my mother sat me down and told me that I wouldnt be in trouble if I was lying that I could take it all back. I couldnt. It was all true. But sexual abuse claims against the powerful stall more easily. There were experts willing to attack my credibility. There were doctors willing to gaslight an abused child.
After a custody hearing denied my father visitation rights, my mother declined to pursue criminal charges, despite findings of probable cause by the State of Connecticut due to, in the words of the prosecutor, the fragility of the child victim. Woody Allen was never convicted of any crime. That he got away with what he did to me haunted me as I grew up. I was stricken with guilt that I had allowed him to be near other little girls. I was terrified of being touched by men. I developed an eating disorder. I began cutting myself. That torment was made worse by Hollywood. All but a precious few (my heroes) turned a blind eye. Most found it easier to accept the ambiguity, to say, who can say what happened, to pretend that nothing was wrong. Actors praised him at awards shows. Networks put him on TV. Critics put him in magazines. Each time I saw my abusers face on a poster, on a t-shirt, on television I could only hide my panic until I found a place to be alone and fall apart.
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I find her credible. I believe her.
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Anyone who thinks an adult telling about being molested as a child is a liar -- [View all]
IdaBriggs
Feb 2014
OP
Dylan is what's at issue. Allen has no history whatsoever of being involved with 7 year olds.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#327
Previn is one person, not a history. You are claiming Allen's relationship with Previn =
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#339
Nobody would put themselves through this type of ordeal just because they are bitter.
bravenak
Feb 2014
#130
that goes both ways. the trashing of mia by allen apologists appears to be ok
roguevalley
Feb 2014
#5
Oh, no, that never happens. Never never never. Those who think so are secret pedophiles.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#59
You don't care that Ida Briggs is putting you on ignore??? Ida BRIGGS, woman!!!
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#55
It wasn't the only one: there was a rash of these in the late 80s, early 90s.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#304
the recovered memory thing brings up a good point as do some of the other posts
loli phabay
Feb 2014
#34
yes I do I was trying to say that people aren't liars they believe what they believe
hollysmom
Feb 2014
#137
But in this case we have more. We have the prosecutor from when she was 7, saying that
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#38
Yes, the prosecutor was accused by Allen. But the State Bar ruled that he had NOT
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#67
Who was the employee? Also, you left out the medical examinations that showed no sign of abuse,
cui bono
Feb 2014
#101
Many children who are groped show no medical signs of the abuse, but it is still abuse.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#289
The child sex abuse hysteria of the 80s-90s probably does have something to do with the Allen-
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#321
I'm close to a young woman who went through this, and realize that it would take incredible bravery
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#40
There's a statute of limitations. So we will all just have to make our own judgments. n/t
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#39
No Statute of Limitations on Felony Sex Assault: Woody Allen Can Still Be Charged
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#68
Interesting. I doubt that it will happen though. Trying to construct a case 20 years later
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#75
According to at least one report, here was an employee that caught him with his face in Dylan's lap,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#81
I'd be interested in reading about that. But the bottom line for me is Dylan's statement itself
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#86
Lawyers for Woody Allen said Monday that a former nanny who worked for Mia Farrow has testified she
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#90
The incident with his face in Dylan's lap was supposedly observed by an employee of a friend,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#114
It was a nanny employed by Casey Pascal, not by Farrow. She was in Farrow's house taking care of
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#117
Casey Pascal being Farrow's childhood friend and Dylan's godmother. So what? You are very
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#307
In any case like this the people most likely to be witnesses do have connections to the family
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#308
I place no particular credibility in friends on either side. Here's what I place credibility in:
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#312
Most cases of molestation don't leave physical evidence. Don't you understand that?
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#314
I don't consider rubbing suntan lotion on a child's buttocks "abuse". I don't consider putting
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#332
It always comes down to accusing anyone who doesn't agree with you of being a pedophile,
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#335
Casey Pascal reported this to Farrow. An employee of Casey's -- not Farrow's -- who was visiting
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#116
Yes, & so would the testimony of the nanny who worked with the kids for 7 years who said
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#187
Molesters don't do this stuff in front of people. The fact that the long time nanny saw nothing
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#189
Yet supposedly the babysitter saw him -- during a visitation *after* the Soon-Yi incident,
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#194
Did you read the Vanity Fair articles? According to them, a therapist who was working
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#199
Yet Farrow had recently given Allen a glowing endorsement in adoption proceedings for Moses
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#200
It's true that therapy was the family hobby. But it is also true that the boy's therapist
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#244
I read the Vanity Fair articles. But they're irrelevant to the point I made, which was that despite
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#292
oh, "a brief greeting". Shocking stuff. "The issue" -- yes, what was "the issue" and why would
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#294
Allen made a formal complaint because the prosecutor said that he had had enough evidence
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#120
Connecticut state police brought in the Yale clinic, not Allen. The Yale clinic
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#301
That's splitting hairs. The psychologists who "interviewed" the girl were on Woody's payroll.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#303
Yale-New Haven relied on information from psychologists connected to Allen when writing its report.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#326
It was a six month investigation, and the fact that the HEAD of the clinic didn't interview Dylan
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#309
Where have you seen it written who DID interview her, besides the people connected with Woody?
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#311
The fact that the media printed a retraction is hard evidence that someone from the clinic did
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#315
No one with a medical degree interviewed her. The physician who wrote the report didn't.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#323
You claimed the Yale-New Haven team relied on interviews from Allen's personal docs. FALSE.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#325
That is not what I said. I said they were on his payroll, and that no medical doctor interviewed her
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#331
I never said anywhere that they were Allen's "personal docs." I said they were on his payroll,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#336
No, you used the term "psychologists on Allen's payroll" instead of "personal docs," same thing.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#338
The reporter clearly formed an opinion after doing dozens of interviews and collecting
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#342
Believe the victim or someone desperate to have a relationship with a perpetrator.
IdaBriggs
Feb 2014
#157
Put me on that list because I sure as hell don't want to be on the other.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#77
+1. If the OP wants to have an adult conversation they shouldn't start with threats.
Dawgs
Feb 2014
#145
After seeing how you are NOT listening to others who MIGHT have an insight you lack on this
nadinbrzezinski
Feb 2014
#84
Do you have a link for that? From Moses Farrow himself, not some writer talking about him?
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#136
Then put on ignore everyone who believes in the basic principle of presumption of innocence
Silent3
Feb 2014
#92
Show me the New York law that makes that true/ edited to include info on NY law
BainsBane
Feb 2014
#109
Because you're restricting yourself to child abuse. That's not the only option.
jeff47
Feb 2014
#113
I'm not inclined to disbelieve her, or anyone else who says they were abused. My automatic sympathy
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#102
Rather than ignore anyone who doesn't believe any accusation you find offensive
Democat
Feb 2014
#118
It is incredibly easy to give children false memories that prevail into adulthood.
Kurska
Feb 2014
#129
Ah, the "Dylan is a gullible fool" defense, and her mom is a sick, sick woman.
IdaBriggs
Feb 2014
#151
"I can't speak to the merits of this specific case, " Go ahead and put me on ignore
Kurska
Feb 2014
#215
It is incredibly, incredibly difficult for a victim to disclose sexual abuse
LiberalEsto
Feb 2014
#152
I think it is entirely possible for an adult to lie about being molested as a child.
oldhippie
Feb 2014
#163
Except that none of the people you have on ignore jumped up and down and shouted Dylan
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#195
I don't think she's lying, anymore than my relative --a Wee Care kid, who still thinks he was abused
msanthrope
Feb 2014
#204
For as long as I can remember its always been acceptable for men to pursue children.
mstinamotorcity2
Feb 2014
#228
He was however living in the household with a lot more awareness than 5 year old Ronan.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#347
He can, however, remember how both parents behaved toward him and the other children.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#349
It may have some relevance to his (reported) claim that Mia brainwashed Dylan.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#352
His own psychiatrist Was not allowed to by law and I am sure you know that. But he did write a
classykaren
Feb 2014
#356
In matters such as these, it is best to allow the justice system to do its job
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#258
A lot of people are citing Moses, the family therapist, reconciling with Allen and
Squinch
Feb 2014
#262
What if we believe her AND support the current burden of proof in our courts?
joeglow3
Feb 2014
#329
The only reason why I find her credible is because he went after his stepdaughter...
cynatnite
Feb 2014
#341