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JHB

(38,174 posts)
38. If you want to fight that fight, I'll leave you to it
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 12:46 PM
Feb 2014

I understand the distinction you're making, but in terms of American politics I think it's irrelevant. The word "communism" is almost exclusively associated with the governments that claimed it as their guiding principle, all of which were oppressive police states controlled by a small circle or singular strongmen who can and did order mass murder to consolidate and hold power. They bore more resemblance to theocracies or monopolies with the logos switched than to what was envisioned by anyone I've ever talked to who could be characterized as an anti-state communist.

That's what the word is associated with: Stalinism and Maoism. You may consider that unfair, but it's the overwhelming reality when talking to a general audience. Trying to pry what you may see as communism's good name from those is, IMO, a battle on par with prying the simple geometric symbols of the swastika away from its association with the Nazis. You may technically be right, but I simply don't see the value of that fight when the same points can be made in other ways, and in fact that imagery can be used against them by mocking them with it.

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Popcorn anyone? whistler162 Feb 2014 #1
yes, please and move over xchrom Feb 2014 #2
I'll take mine with some garlic butter please! Initech Feb 2014 #41
It is unwise to play the bodycount game? joshcryer Feb 2014 #3
I'm an anti-communist too, but I think it would be interesting to see what goes into that number JHB Feb 2014 #8
I'm not anti-communist, I am anti-state communist. joshcryer Feb 2014 #24
If you want to fight that fight, I'll leave you to it JHB Feb 2014 #38
This statement may currently be true of the general public: PotatoChip Feb 2014 #42
One has to pick one's fights. If you want to pick that one, you're welcome to it JHB Feb 2014 #50
Interesting newfie11 Feb 2014 #4
Why oh why Android3.14 Feb 2014 #5
Some people are more interested in facts TBF Feb 2014 #10
As well you should. joshcryer Feb 2014 #25
Which ones specifically? nt TBF Feb 2014 #32
You don't see through this? Really? Android3.14 Feb 2014 #39
I'll ask you what I asked TBF Feb 2014 #45
I don't want to discuss anything Android3.14 Feb 2014 #47
As I expected. nt TBF Feb 2014 #48
You tried to pull the "there's no point in my telling you" canard with me. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #64
Great article. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #6
Thanks xchrom, great article. K&R. Scuba Feb 2014 #7
... xchrom Feb 2014 #9
K&R. nt DLevine Feb 2014 #11
Rec. n/t Smarmie Doofus Feb 2014 #12
Great article. The "best" is at the end. fasttense Feb 2014 #13
it's the MickeyD effect of culture and society. xchrom Feb 2014 #14
Oh, no, specialization! joshcryer Feb 2014 #26
Communism is a failed experiment Progressive dog Feb 2014 #15
Except that none of the so-called "communst" countries were actually following pure communism. baldguy Feb 2014 #18
Pure communism can't exist using real people, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #20
And you can't have true or pure capitalism or free markets either. fasttense Feb 2014 #23
I agree, but capitalism doesn't depend on a "new man" Progressive dog Feb 2014 #27
Can you explain? PotatoChip Feb 2014 #29
A "new man"? What do you mean by that? fasttense Feb 2014 #34
From wikipedia Progressive dog Feb 2014 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author PotatoChip Feb 2014 #43
That is funny, hint Progressive dog Feb 2014 #44
You mean like Capitalism's "Homo economicus"? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #51
The Soviets and the Chinese followed Marx and Engels Progressive dog Feb 2014 #52
Do you have any clue what sort of social upheaval occurred when feudalism gave way to capitalism? baldguy Feb 2014 #49
Yes and apparently you don't Progressive dog Feb 2014 #53
Would that be agrarian capitalism, mercantile capitalism or capitalism based on international trade? baldguy Feb 2014 #56
Communism failed, get over it Progressive dog Feb 2014 #57
And you're under the mistaken impression that capitalism has succeeded, baldguy Feb 2014 #58
If you have a better system than capitalism Progressive dog Feb 2014 #59
Your one-liners have never been true, even when Reagan said them 30 yrs ago. baldguy Feb 2014 #60
Communism has failed everywhere it has been tried, period. Progressive dog Feb 2014 #61
IT NEVER *HAS* BEEN TRIED!! baldguy Feb 2014 #62
So, your special undisclosed variety of communism has never been tried. Progressive dog Feb 2014 #63
"IT NEVER *HAS* BEEN TRIED!!" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #65
Capitalism has been an abject failure too. So much so that there are few countries practicing it. baldguy Feb 2014 #66
"Capitalism has been an abject failure too." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #67
Yes, a workers' cooperative would be the ideal of pure Communism Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2014 #30
Out-of-control Capitalism gave us "Money equals Free Speech" and "Corporations are people." another_liberal Feb 2014 #16
+1 daleanime Feb 2014 #21
No. 8 -- Communist countries were Communist. ananda Feb 2014 #17
+1000 PotatoChip Feb 2014 #19
"Capitalist governments don’t commit human rights atrocities." snooper2 Feb 2014 #22
Back during the Reagan administration, Jeane Kirkpatrick was all over TV Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2014 #28
Pretty weak article - there's a case to be made for communism el_bryanto Feb 2014 #31
Communism and capitalism are obsolete -- they are based on theories of production FarCenter Feb 2014 #33
Making money out of money PotatoChip Feb 2014 #35
Someone has to produce the stuff for all those fasttense Feb 2014 #36
Agriculture is down to a few percent of workers and manufacturing is about 1/5 or so. FarCenter Feb 2014 #37
I don't know if I'd say obsolete - TBF Feb 2014 #46
My kevlar drawers were in the wash, so I didn't post this yesterday. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #54
... xchrom Feb 2014 #55
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