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BainsBane

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226. This isn't a court of law

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:26 PM

Feb 2014

The legal concept doesn't hold here. If Allen is innocent, Dylan Farrow is lying. That is the way it is Now tell me why the legal standing of innocent until proven guilty is only held up for rapists around here? Why value them above others, like elected officials or those accused of other crimes? What is it about being accused of raping a woman or a child that makes someone so special? Have you once pointed out that Christ Christie is innocent until proven guilty, or Dick Cheney? No. No one around here does. But every single time a rape victim goes public, the man is innocent. The pattern is all too familiar. Pretending not to call a victim a liar is hollow. Either one believe a victims statement or one doesn't. Too many NEVER believe victims and ALWAYS speak out in defense of the accused, as long as he commits a crime of child abuse of sexual assault. Why do you suppose that is?

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Anyone who thinks an adult telling about being molested as a child is a liar -- [View all] IdaBriggs Feb 2014 OP

I believe her!!! bravenak Feb 2014 #1

It was painful to read. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #2

I've been there. bravenak Feb 2014 #6

Words fail. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #12

I'm strong, I bend I don't break. bravenak Feb 2014 #16

He's a sorry excuse for a human being Aerows Feb 2014 #206

No they don't. bravenak Feb 2014 #209

It does happen though exboyfil Feb 2014 #229

This was a completely different situation. bravenak Feb 2014 #236

Woody Allen has already proved himself to be slime exboyfil Feb 2014 #245

He has a pattern of sexualizing daughter figures. bravenak Feb 2014 #252

Besides Soon-Yi, who are the other "daughter figures" he's sexualized? El_Johns Feb 2014 #317

I think two is enough. Dylan at seven, Soon Yi at 19. bravenak Feb 2014 #318

You said he had a "history". You haven't provided any history. El_Johns Feb 2014 #319

That is his history. bravenak Feb 2014 #324

Dylan is what's at issue. Allen has no history whatsoever of being involved with 7 year olds. El_Johns Feb 2014 #327

Previn was a daughter figure. bravenak Feb 2014 #330

Previn is one person, not a history. You are claiming Allen's relationship with Previn = El_Johns Feb 2014 #339

Is a "history" even necessary truedelphi Feb 2014 #355

excellent point Victor_c3 Feb 2014 #242

Well obviously they do when adults talk about it, as multiple cases show. El_Johns Feb 2014 #322

I believe her, too. Lunacee_2013 Feb 2014 #126

Nobody would put themselves through this type of ordeal just because they are bitter. bravenak Feb 2014 #130

If you are going to rely on assumption to gauge credibility ... 1000words Feb 2014 #3

Done. Thank you for your honesty. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #4

Some are predicatable BainsBane Feb 2014 #7

I believe that will be my first ignore. bravenak Feb 2014 #9

Your choice 1000words Feb 2014 #10

I agree with 1000words, I guess you should put me on ignore. Cofitachequi Feb 2014 #290

that goes both ways. the trashing of mia by allen apologists appears to be ok roguevalley Feb 2014 #5

Not by me it isn't 1000words Feb 2014 #8

To claim you don't know what happened BainsBane Feb 2014 #11

You could just not say anything if you haven't read up on the subject. bravenak Feb 2014 #14

Based on stuff put up on the internet, truedelphi Feb 2014 #18

You didn't have Jon Benet's testimony BainsBane Feb 2014 #21

At the time she first told this story, her mom was ina court trying truedelphi Feb 2014 #43

Sadly, I've seen the same thing. CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #46

Thanks for saying this. truedelphi Feb 2014 #261

Oh, no, that never happens. Never never never. Those who think so are secret pedophiles. El_Johns Feb 2014 #59

Yep-- I've actually seen that happen. Marr Feb 2014 #201

This message was self-deleted by its author juxtaposed Feb 2014 #13

I am so sorry. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #15

no reason for sorrow, thanks though. juxtaposed Feb 2014 #19

The rich have access to as many publicists as they can afford..... alittlelark Feb 2014 #17

I believe in innocent until proven guilty. NobodyHere Feb 2014 #20

nonsequitur BainsBane Feb 2014 #22

I'm granting both parties equal respect. NobodyHere Feb 2014 #25

You do not have conflicting stories BainsBane Feb 2014 #27

Does this count as a denial Shivering Jemmy Feb 2014 #88

When he comes out and says it himself BainsBane Feb 2014 #107

I believe that she is not lying Shivering Jemmy Feb 2014 #146

Thank you for your clarification BainsBane Feb 2014 #227

Woody did deny it. Back when the accusations and investigation happened. cui bono Feb 2014 #103

that is laughable just on the face of it: SHOW ME. omg. LOL Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #158

Absolutely! RedRoses323 Feb 2014 #171

Asked and answered. Because grown women LIKE to IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #33

oh hell yeah - I'm gonna do that right after my recreational abortions. elehhhhna Feb 2014 #240

Woody's not going to prison. The question is whether he deserves our respect pnwmom Feb 2014 #36

after reading his short stories I understand elehhhhna Feb 2014 #243

...like Sandusky. elehhhhna Feb 2014 #239

There was no trial... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #57

Clearly she was not BainsBane Feb 2014 #123

I'm not ignoring her statement... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #254

But..but...She's not WOODY ALLEN! whathehell Feb 2014 #132

In cases like this, there will be no trial. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #28

A victim who never saw a trial? Nitram Feb 2014 #248

No, you don't. No one does. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #160

Who are you to say what MY beliefs are? NobodyHere Feb 2014 #202

I am the one telling you that not one individual believes that people.... NCTraveler Feb 2014 #210

So do you believe OJ is innocent? n/t DeSwiss Feb 2014 #267

Nah NobodyHere Feb 2014 #286

Not a liar. Igel Feb 2014 #23

Your story is about an interpretation where people thought you were IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #29

I think he's right. The McMartin Preschool case. kwassa Feb 2014 #41

In honor of Dylan (who doesn't seem like a liar to me) IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #47

Why should I care that you are ignoring me? kwassa Feb 2014 #48

You don't care that Ida Briggs is putting you on ignore??? Ida BRIGGS, woman!!! El_Johns Feb 2014 #55

Ida who? kwassa Feb 2014 #60

Ida BRIGGS, man!!! Is putting YOU on ignore!! El_Johns Feb 2014 #61

pretty telling Niceguy1 Feb 2014 #58

The "facts" in this case are Dylan's statement BainsBane Feb 2014 #124

Saying someone is innocent until proven guilty is NOT ... kwassa Feb 2014 #218

Whatever is going on in Ida's head... TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #100

that is OK, I have already been told I make people sick hollysmom Feb 2014 #264

This has nothing to do with Dylan. CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #63

+1 cui bono Feb 2014 #96

JFC what a ridiculous response. cui bono Feb 2014 #95

You continually and purposefully ignore the facts in evidence BainsBane Feb 2014 #237

Might as well cut and paste... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #255

It wasn't the only one: there was a rash of these in the late 80s, early 90s. El_Johns Feb 2014 #304

yes, my cousin with "recovered" memories is not a liar, but she is wrong hollysmom Feb 2014 #30

Ah, so she is a perfectly normal, high functioning adult? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #32

Of course she is not self medicated anythingelse hollysmom Feb 2014 #42

Ida Briggs has put you on ignore and cannot hear El_Johns Feb 2014 #80

no great loss. people can be reasonable or not their choice. n/t hollysmom Feb 2014 #122

You notice how... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #82

I know... seriously. It's scary. n/t cui bono Feb 2014 #98

WTF is your problem? What kind of response is that? cui bono Feb 2014 #99

the recovered memory thing brings up a good point as do some of the other posts loli phabay Feb 2014 #34

You realize that Dylan Farrow doesn't have recovered memories, right? n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #135

yes I do I was trying to say that people aren't liars they believe what they believe hollysmom Feb 2014 #137

But in this case we have more. We have the prosecutor from when she was 7, saying that pnwmom Feb 2014 #38

We have the prosecutor... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #65

Yes, the prosecutor was accused by Allen. But the State Bar ruled that he had NOT pnwmom Feb 2014 #67

Nope. CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #256

The reprimand was revoked. It's very deceptive to leave that part out. pnwmom Feb 2014 #287

And the reprimand was later overturned. Squinch Feb 2014 #257

Who was the employee? Also, you left out the medical examinations that showed no sign of abuse, cui bono Feb 2014 #101

Many children who are groped show no medical signs of the abuse, but it is still abuse. pnwmom Feb 2014 #289

The McMartin case has nothing to do with Woody Allen and Dylan Farrow BainsBane Feb 2014 #128

The child sex abuse hysteria of the 80s-90s probably does have something to do with the Allen- El_Johns Feb 2014 #321

K&R! I have NO DOUBT Dylan is telling the truth. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #24

I WAS an adult telling about being molested as a child. I KNOW they don't lie. Triana Feb 2014 #26

Because you didn't lie, then other don't lie? Democat Feb 2014 #119

DON'T you even start with me . . . Triana Feb 2014 #143

Well done DeShawn Feb 2014 #223

So no one can ask you a question? ok. n-t Logical Feb 2014 #272

Right, I am sure that has never happened .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #31

Exactly. How could anyone think otherwise unless they are pedophiles? El_Johns Feb 2014 #49

Or fans of pedophiles, which if she is telling the truth -- IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #153

Oh noes! Ida Briggs has ME on ignore!! El_Johns Feb 2014 #166

if this is the case he should be arrested and stand trial. madrchsod Feb 2014 #35

SHOULD - on what planet do you live? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #37

I'm close to a young woman who went through this, and realize that it would take incredible bravery pnwmom Feb 2014 #40

I know one child who was raped when she was four. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #185

I don't know how anyone can read the letter and not believe her. pnwmom Feb 2014 #188

I'm going with "willfull ignorance." IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #191

There's a statute of limitations. So we will all just have to make our own judgments. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #39

No Statute of Limitations on Felony Sex Assault: Woody Allen Can Still Be Charged El_Johns Feb 2014 #68

Interesting. I doubt that it will happen though. Trying to construct a case 20 years later pnwmom Feb 2014 #75

They never HAD a case, ANY case. Bonobo Feb 2014 #78

According to at least one report, here was an employee that caught him with his face in Dylan's lap, pnwmom Feb 2014 #81

And there were the other employees who said Farrow pressured them to lie. El_Johns Feb 2014 #85

I'd be interested in reading about that. But the bottom line for me is Dylan's statement itself pnwmom Feb 2014 #86

Lawyers for Woody Allen said Monday that a former nanny who worked for Mia Farrow has testified she El_Johns Feb 2014 #90

The incident with his face in Dylan's lap was supposedly observed by an employee of a friend, pnwmom Feb 2014 #114

It was a nanny Major Nikon Feb 2014 #93

It was a nanny employed by Casey Pascal, not by Farrow. She was in Farrow's house taking care of pnwmom Feb 2014 #117

Casey Pascal being Farrow's childhood friend and Dylan's godmother. So what? You are very El_Johns Feb 2014 #307

In any case like this the people most likely to be witnesses do have connections to the family pnwmom Feb 2014 #308

I place no particular credibility in friends on either side. Here's what I place credibility in: El_Johns Feb 2014 #312

Most cases of molestation don't leave physical evidence. Don't you understand that? pnwmom Feb 2014 #314

I don't consider rubbing suntan lotion on a child's buttocks "abuse". I don't consider putting El_Johns Feb 2014 #332

Well, that explains a lot. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #333

It always comes down to accusing anyone who doesn't agree with you of being a pedophile, El_Johns Feb 2014 #335

Casey Pascal reported this to Farrow. An employee of Casey's -- not Farrow's -- who was visiting pnwmom Feb 2014 #116

"Pascal, Mia’s friend since boarding-school days in England" = so? El_Johns Feb 2014 #169

In a court of law, her testimony would carry plenty of weight. pnwmom Feb 2014 #172

Yes, & so would the testimony of the nanny who worked with the kids for 7 years who said El_Johns Feb 2014 #187

Molesters don't do this stuff in front of people. The fact that the long time nanny saw nothing pnwmom Feb 2014 #189

Yet supposedly the babysitter saw him -- during a visitation *after* the Soon-Yi incident, El_Johns Feb 2014 #194

Did you read the Vanity Fair articles? According to them, a therapist who was working pnwmom Feb 2014 #199

Yet Farrow had recently given Allen a glowing endorsement in adoption proceedings for Moses El_Johns Feb 2014 #200

It's true that therapy was the family hobby. But it is also true that the boy's therapist pnwmom Feb 2014 #244

I read the Vanity Fair articles. But they're irrelevant to the point I made, which was that despite El_Johns Feb 2014 #292

Yes, the incident with the babysitter coming upon Woody pnwmom Feb 2014 #293

oh, "a brief greeting". Shocking stuff. "The issue" -- yes, what was "the issue" and why would El_Johns Feb 2014 #294

Where is that info about the employee catching him? cui bono Feb 2014 #105

Allen made a formal complaint because the prosecutor said that he had had enough evidence pnwmom Feb 2014 #120

Connecticut state police brought in the Yale clinic, not Allen. The Yale clinic El_Johns Feb 2014 #301

That's splitting hairs. The psychologists who "interviewed" the girl were on Woody's payroll. pnwmom Feb 2014 #303

They did interview her (9 times) and they were not on Woody Allen's payroll. Nine Feb 2014 #305

The man who wrote the report never interviewed her. pnwmom Feb 2014 #306

Yale-New Haven relied on information from psychologists connected to Allen when writing its report. pnwmom Feb 2014 #326

It was a six month investigation, and the fact that the HEAD of the clinic didn't interview Dylan El_Johns Feb 2014 #309

Where have you seen it written who DID interview her, besides the people connected with Woody? pnwmom Feb 2014 #311

The fact that the media printed a retraction is hard evidence that someone from the clinic did El_Johns Feb 2014 #315

No one with a medical degree interviewed her. The physician who wrote the report didn't. pnwmom Feb 2014 #323

You claimed the Yale-New Haven team relied on interviews from Allen's personal docs. FALSE. El_Johns Feb 2014 #325

That is not what I said. I said they were on his payroll, and that no medical doctor interviewed her pnwmom Feb 2014 #331

What you said: El_Johns Feb 2014 #334

I never said anywhere that they were Allen's "personal docs." I said they were on his payroll, pnwmom Feb 2014 #336

No, you used the term "psychologists on Allen's payroll" instead of "personal docs," same thing. El_Johns Feb 2014 #338

All the information you're citing is from one article by one reporter. Nine Feb 2014 #340

The reporter clearly formed an opinion after doing dozens of interviews and collecting pnwmom Feb 2014 #342

Polygraph results are not admissible in court. Means nothing. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #203

Anyone who thinks a parent has never lied... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #44

Thank you for your honesty. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #45

You likely won't see this, but... CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #52

A great loss, no doubt. El_Johns Feb 2014 #54

Personally DeShawn Feb 2014 #224

Tell it, Ida! Squinch Feb 2014 #50

It took a lot of bravery for her to come forward. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #51

She has nothing to gain. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #53

Thanks for posting this. TDale313 Feb 2014 #56

Same here. Really helpful. sybylla Feb 2014 #269

I have to admit, TDale313 Feb 2014 #271

Notwithstanding the emotion in the OP, are you stating that flvegan Feb 2014 #62

The current shiny thing is Woody Allen molesting Dylan. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #66

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HEAR HERE!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #70

Possible no one is lying here. Shivering Jemmy Feb 2014 #71

Wisdom and compassion - impossible to ignore. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #155

K&R ty Ida. Whisp Feb 2014 #72

As Richard Weide said: Not so fast. GoneOffShore Feb 2014 #73

Ida Briggs has him on ignore. El_Johns Feb 2014 #74

Fine with me. GoneOffShore Feb 2014 #76

Moses is also a family therapist. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #139

Believe the victim or someone desperate to have a relationship with a perpetrator. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #157

Put me on that list because I sure as hell don't want to be on the other. last1standing Feb 2014 #77

+1. If the OP wants to have an adult conversation they shouldn't start with threats. Dawgs Feb 2014 #145

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #164

God Damnit! I thought you were putting me on ignore. last1standing Feb 2014 #178

Exactly. Precisely. zentrum Feb 2014 #79

I believe LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #83

After seeing how you are NOT listening to others who MIGHT have an insight you lack on this nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #84

As requested. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #177

Add me just because I think you are clueless! nt Logical Feb 2014 #87

Oh, for fuck's sake... MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #89

Don't forget to add Moses Farrow to your ignore list... SmieGuy Feb 2014 #91

Moses is already dead to Ida Briggs. Dead and ignored. El_Johns Feb 2014 #94

Do you have a link for that? From Moses Farrow himself, not some writer talking about him? pnwmom Feb 2014 #136

Then put on ignore everyone who believes in the basic principle of presumption of innocence Silent3 Feb 2014 #92

How about a presumption of innocence for Dick Cheney or George Bush BainsBane Feb 2014 #104

No, he still could be charged. jeff47 Feb 2014 #106

Show me the New York law that makes that true/ edited to include info on NY law BainsBane Feb 2014 #109

We have both NY and CT options. jeff47 Feb 2014 #111

I edited my prior post to include the NY law BainsBane Feb 2014 #112

Because you're restricting yourself to child abuse. That's not the only option. jeff47 Feb 2014 #113

I linked to both civil and criminal BainsBane Feb 2014 #115

And I linked criminal and highlighted where they could prosecute. jeff47 Feb 2014 #217

Who called anyone a liar? Silent3 Feb 2014 #142

This isn't a court of law BainsBane Feb 2014 #226

And if you say you don't know, neither stands condemned... Silent3 Feb 2014 #238

They don't say Christie is "guilty until proven innocent." BainsBane Feb 2014 #246

Some subjects are just more sensationalistic than others... Silent3 Feb 2014 #249

I think not BainsBane Feb 2014 #251

I believe you believe you're observing patterns Silent3 Feb 2014 #253

Okay, you aren't asking to be ignored. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #165

Well, gee .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #173

Thank you! n/t PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #180

I ALWAYS believe the child. Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #97

So where'd the McMartins get the fetuses to feed the children? jeff47 Feb 2014 #110

My mom was on a jury on a case JonLP24 Feb 2014 #127

Your mom and the other jurors are ON IGNORE!!!1! cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #131

I'm not inclined to disbelieve her, or anyone else who says they were abused. My automatic sympathy nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #102

I have no clue if she's telling the truth... Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #108

Rather than ignore anyone who doesn't believe any accusation you find offensive Democat Feb 2014 #118

You have your push buttons, and I have mine. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #179

Yet you expect people to find your opinions credible ...... oldhippie Feb 2014 #182

I'm afraid I think your "statistics" are absurd. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #121

They are over 20 years old. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #176

Some back-of-an-envelope calculations: Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #213

Anything is possible JonLP24 Feb 2014 #125

It is incredibly easy to give children false memories that prevail into adulthood. Kurska Feb 2014 #129

Ah, the "Dylan is a gullible fool" defense, and her mom is a sick, sick woman. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #151

"I can't speak to the merits of this specific case, " Go ahead and put me on ignore Kurska Feb 2014 #215

Misogyny DeShawn Feb 2014 #225

The fact is DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #133

Can you people never understand that she was NOT HIS STEP DAUGHTER CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #161

May as well add me FreeJoe Feb 2014 #134

Well, at least you are getting added to the list with the "who knows?" IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #150

We've been down this road before cpwm17 Feb 2014 #211

No you're clearly lying about history and science Kurska Feb 2014 #216

Liar, no. Brainwashed by her mother, YES. CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #138

Ah, because women are evil and Woody Allen is a saint. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #149

I know you will never see this but just for your sad little record CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #231

Are you saying that every adult accuser is relating factual information? cali Feb 2014 #140

I'm saying exactly what I said in the post. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #148

so sorry for your past trauma, cali steve2470 Feb 2014 #167

People holding opinions are free to decide what they believe. riqster Feb 2014 #141

Not all accusations are true and neither are all denials. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #144

Dammit! Iggo Feb 2014 #147

It is incredibly, incredibly difficult for a victim to disclose sexual abuse LiberalEsto Feb 2014 #152

I am so sorry. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #162

Thanks, Ida LiberalEsto Feb 2014 #193

The shaming and silencing LWolf Feb 2014 #154

"Did my daddy rape me" snooper2 Feb 2014 #156

Tomnbstone me now, Ida HERVEPA Feb 2014 #159

I think it is entirely possible for an adult to lie about being molested as a child. oldhippie Feb 2014 #163

Blessed be - and done. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #175

I am beholden to reason & fair play. Please add me too. -nt Bonx Feb 2014 #184

Reason and fair play - well, that is a good way to justify such things. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #186

No idea what you're talking about, I'm sure it makes some sense to you. Bonx Feb 2014 #205

I think Allen is a creep, but B2G Feb 2014 #168

"Honestly don't know" is a far cry from "she's a liar!" IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #181

I read that over the weekend B2G Feb 2014 #192

There were a lot of similar cases in the same time frame as well. El_Johns Feb 2014 #197

I find Dylan credible also. Captain Stern Feb 2014 #170

This thread is a very good example of ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #174

I don't know what you should do with me. Jim Lane Feb 2014 #183

Well, since you aren't jumping up and down shouting that Dylan is a liar IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #190

Except that none of the people you have on ignore jumped up and down and shouted Dylan El_Johns Feb 2014 #195

Kinda moved the goalposts there, didn't ya? oldhippie Feb 2014 #222

Well, I remember "Michelle Remembers" Tom Ripley Feb 2014 #196

It does happen. Marr Feb 2014 #198

I don't think she's lying, anymore than my relative --a Wee Care kid, who still thinks he was abused msanthrope Feb 2014 #204

I have absolutely no knowledge of this case Feral Child Feb 2014 #207

You would be worst juror ever! nt Logical Feb 2014 #208

I don't make any judgments about such things that appear MineralMan Feb 2014 #212

Well, no one denies that false accusations and "coached" accusations happen, alp227 Feb 2014 #214

How does Woody marrying Soon-Yi prove he molested Dylan? tammywammy Feb 2014 #219

You just do NOT romance with the children of your SO. You simply don't. nt alp227 Feb 2014 #220

That doesn't answer my questions. tammywammy Feb 2014 #221

He was taking nude pictures of her as a teenager. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #273

So he took nude pictures of an adult. tammywammy Feb 2014 #276

You say adult, and I say teenager. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #279

18 is an adult. tammywammy Feb 2014 #283

For as long as I can remember its always been acceptable for men to pursue children. mstinamotorcity2 Feb 2014 #228

bullshit. it has never been acceptable. bowens43 Feb 2014 #259

to you and I that may be so. mstinamotorcity2 Feb 2014 #268

her mother and her brother believe her. CitizenLeft Feb 2014 #230

Her other brother says she was brainwashed CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #232

Her other brother was ten years older. bravenak Feb 2014 #241

He was 14 when it happened. El_Johns Feb 2014 #345

So he was 14. I stand corrected. He still wasn't living in her skin. bravenak Feb 2014 #346

He was however living in the household with a lot more awareness than 5 year old Ronan. El_Johns Feb 2014 #347

He still was not living in her skin. bravenak Feb 2014 #348

He can, however, remember how both parents behaved toward him and the other children. El_Johns Feb 2014 #349

I don't get how that proves anything. bravenak Feb 2014 #351

It may have some relevance to his (reported) claim that Mia brainwashed Dylan. El_Johns Feb 2014 #352

Or he could be lying. bravenak Feb 2014 #353

He could be. As could any of those involved. El_Johns Feb 2014 #354

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Feb 2014 #233

Done. She might have false memories and he might be a pedophile. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #274

His own Doctor wanted to testify against him in court classykaren Feb 2014 #234

citation, please. And the Yale team tasked with investigating the allegation cali Feb 2014 #247

Which doctor was that? And if he "wanted to," why didn't he? El_Johns Feb 2014 #316

His own psychiatrist Was not allowed to by law and I am sure you know that. But he did write a classykaren Feb 2014 #356

How about those of us withholding judgement? FloridaJudy Feb 2014 #235

Withholding judgment is not Ignore worthy. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #275

I believe Dylan Farrow. SunSeeker Feb 2014 #250

In matters such as these, it is best to allow the justice system to do its job Maedhros Feb 2014 #258

The justice system does not handle sexual abuse cases well. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #277

I saw this in real life when I was a baby attorney Gothmog Feb 2014 #282

I agree with all of your assertions. Maedhros Feb 2014 #285

k&r. nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #260

A lot of people are citing Moses, the family therapist, reconciling with Allen and Squinch Feb 2014 #262

Some people don't believe in climate change because they don't IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #278

Forgetting and then remembering can happen. Thirties Child Feb 2014 #263

I am so sorry. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #280

I'd always liked Woody Allen and his movies, but... MarianJack Feb 2014 #265

Thank you! IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #284

Thank you. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #266

So there has never been an adult lie? Really? That is your claim? n-t Logical Feb 2014 #270

I decided to never practice family law due to a situation like this Gothmog Feb 2014 #281

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #288

How many "ignores" did you rack up? Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #291

Surprisingly, only 22. There were a lot more positives. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #295

If Allen is ever exonerated... Orsino Feb 2014 #296

I'm pretty clear on which one is lying. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #297

Given that *all* the stories so far are he said/she said... Orsino Feb 2014 #299

I don't think all adults alleging they were molested as a child are liars. Hosnon Feb 2014 #298

I don't think Allen did it. Nine Feb 2014 #300

The strongest point for me is that Dylan says he did. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #310

The missing underpants are a claim not a fact. Nine Feb 2014 #313

Go sister !.nt clarice Feb 2014 #302

k&r Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #320

I'll take the ignore, please DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #328

Done, as requested. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #344

What if we believe her AND support the current burden of proof in our courts? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #329

I don't know what to do about the problem with sexual abuse IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #343

Again, those are claims from the Mia camp, not facts. Nine Feb 2014 #350

Interesting content at iwasfalselyaccused.com Bonx Feb 2014 #337

The only reason why I find her credible is because he went after his stepdaughter... cynatnite Feb 2014 #341