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wercal

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8. As to why experienced users OD...

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 05:51 PM

Feb 2014

"Furthermore, the dead addicts were experienced rather than novice users and therefore should have built up tolerance to large doses of heroin."

A common path to death is:

1. Addiction
2. Rehab
3. Relapse - and OD because body cannot take the same doses that it did pre-rehab.

Cory Monteith: Finished rehab in April...dead in July
Phillip Seymour Hofman: Rehab last May, dead this February

My point is that a person's experience level with heroin means very little...every time they rehab and start up again, they are essentially rookies.

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Are most heroin "overdoses" a myth ? Heroin was more pure before WWII but... [View all] KurtNYC Feb 2014 OP

Alcohol, in combination with heroin pscot Feb 2014 #1

People who knew Janis Joplin Warpy Feb 2014 #4

I've read that most of the health issues are due to dirty needles and infected veins. tridim Feb 2014 #2

I also know of a doctor who was stealing the Schedule 2 narcs from his own shared practice KurtNYC Feb 2014 #6

That's horrible! I'm so sorry. Even if it was years ago, still... nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #37

When they cut it with UncleMuscles Feb 2014 #3

That's another source for ODs Warpy Feb 2014 #5

I lost a guy I knew in college to a Fentanyl OD. TheMightyFavog Feb 2014 #60

Yes. And if THAT is what killed someone then they should say "Fentanyl OD" KurtNYC Feb 2014 #7

As to why experienced users OD... wercal Feb 2014 #8

Thats what happened to Gram Parsons too. He relapsed and couldn't handle his former dose. Erose999 Feb 2014 #18

my kid is in recovery and we are very involved elehhhhna Feb 2014 #26

I sincerely wish you the best with your kid's recovery wercal Feb 2014 #45

Your right thats been my professional experience... Historic NY Feb 2014 #53

My friend mixed it with coke and benzos. bravenak Feb 2014 #9

Benzos Aerows Feb 2014 #13

I hate them too. bravenak Feb 2014 #17

Yes, please let me come back Aerows Feb 2014 #19

I felt worse medicated than sober. bravenak Feb 2014 #20

Some are mild BainsBane Feb 2014 #21

Try Ativan if you really want to have your world Aerows Feb 2014 #23

Edited BainsBane Feb 2014 #28

I had a psychiatrist laundry_queen Feb 2014 #58

I'm just very sensitive to things. bravenak Feb 2014 #25

People can react very differently BainsBane Feb 2014 #29

xanax supposedly causes mildly euphoria elehhhhna Feb 2014 #32

Yep, agitated I am familiar with Aerows Feb 2014 #35

They act as a stimulant for me Aerows Feb 2014 #22

Whoa!! bravenak Feb 2014 #30

I'm fairly petite Aerows Feb 2014 #34

Wow. That's the opposite of what it is supposed to do. BainsBane Feb 2014 #36

I know! Aerows Feb 2014 #39

they affect people differently. for me a low dose simply prevents anxiety attacks. dionysus Feb 2014 #24

My experience as well Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #46

i hear ya. klonopin is a miracle. dionysus Feb 2014 #49

Benzos are well known for the paradoxical effect some people experience. SaveOurDemocracy Feb 2014 #47

People do overdose and it has to do with a unregulated dose being sold on the street. Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #10

I have to wonder why anyone would take heroin to begin with Aerows Feb 2014 #11

Over the years I've lost more friends to alcohol abuse than drug abuse. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #63

They don't start out with heroin. Sparkly Feb 2014 #66

Heroin was orignially marketted as a safe alternative to morphine; hedgehog Feb 2014 #12

It could be the bouncing on and off the drug. Barack_America Feb 2014 #14

Due to the fact that the only Heroin you can get is black market madokie Feb 2014 #15

When Jerry Garcia died back in mid-Nineties, truedelphi Feb 2014 #16

Yeah, Jerry had some long-running lifestyle issues. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #38

Jerry Garcia.... sendero Feb 2014 #42

the heart disease and diabetes killed him. poor Jer. dionysus Feb 2014 #50

My brother-in-law died of a heroin overdose justiceischeap Feb 2014 #27

One wonders how much of drug culture is just a social construction. I mean when you hear "heroin Erose999 Feb 2014 #31

It's already known - and reflected in the CO and WA measures passed by voters - that pot smoking nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #43

Street purity is low. When it goes up OD's spike jberryhill Feb 2014 #33

Some Scandanavian countries have harm reduction programs for heroin addicts that allow them to use Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #41

Considerably jberryhill Feb 2014 #55

Jacksonville, FL & Shreveport, LA both did this over 100 yrs ago... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #61

As others have noted in the thread, relapsing is particularly dangerous for some opiate addicts. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #40

One of the factors H2O Man Feb 2014 #44

Pure heroin isn't the problem, pure BS is Ligyron Feb 2014 #48

Clueless response. nt Earth_First Feb 2014 #51

Speak from firsthand knowledge do you? Ligyron Feb 2014 #52

How is that clueless? jberryhill Feb 2014 #56

exactly Ligyron Feb 2014 #65

When I lived in England OwnedByCats Feb 2014 #59

For several years sammythecat Feb 2014 #68

Definitely worthwhile to develop something OwnedByCats Feb 2014 #69

"in controlled doses" Sparkly Feb 2014 #67

Purity issues cause overdoses. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #54

Possibly, or maybe he had stopped using and then suddenly started back at his old "dose" ecstatic Feb 2014 #57

Great thread, rec. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #62

The best man at my wedding died of an overdose Marrah_G Feb 2014 #64