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3. Our mind and our senses aren't always what they think they are.

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:19 PM

Feb 2014

Sometimes we think we see things that aren't there.

Sometimes we don't see things that are there, or we don't remember them.

E.g.: How many times do the players in white pass the basketball?

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Why your childhood memories may not actually have happened. [View all] Kurska Feb 2014 OP

thx for the voice of reason Vattel Feb 2014 #1

interesting.... mike_c Feb 2014 #2

Very much so, false memories can come from dreams. They can even come from media like movies. Kurska Feb 2014 #6

Just as Ronald Reagan did. nt tblue37 Feb 2014 #64

hallucinations are a fact RussBLib Feb 2014 #111

Most people don't understand what memories really are. Xithras Feb 2014 #130

Interesting. tammywammy Feb 2014 #134

yup, the brain models the world we experience in real time... mike_c Feb 2014 #139

Our mind and our senses aren't always what they think they are. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #3

I counted 15 but may have missed one when the person in the fake fur suit got in the way. There w uppityperson Feb 2014 #7

that was my response the first time i watched that several years ago.. frylock Feb 2014 #65

How does anybody not notice the gorilla? TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #11

Nope. I can't remember the stat, but I think it was something like 40-50% of those Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #18

Guess my focus is lacking! TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #19

When I first saw it, I didn't see it. Neoma Feb 2014 #21

I didn't either. tammywammy Feb 2014 #69

what was the gender breakdown? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #77

I have no idea. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #78

I was just thinking or wondering rather...would men or women be more or less likely to see the VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #81

It's a good question. As a guy, I know I am woefully oblivious to changes in detail Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #87

an interesting Social Experiment indeed! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #89

Arjuna Seeing The Bird's Eye: KittyWampus Feb 2014 #125

What about the version of that story... TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #126

Thanks for adding to that. It will certainly get a laugh during our study group discussions. KittyWampus Feb 2014 #148

A laugh's a laugh TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #149

This is a wonderful explanation TlalocW Feb 2014 #12

got the fifteen passes, may not have seen the gorilla if someone had not posted it before i watched. loli phabay Feb 2014 #22

That is such a good example. El_Johns Feb 2014 #103

You had me until your last 2 sentences. Unfortunately, the nature of hidden abuse is that uppityperson Feb 2014 #4

+1. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #26

But then what do you do with the allegations? Igel Feb 2014 #45

OP defines what was meant by "solid evidence" further downthread. Take all allegations uppityperson Feb 2014 #47

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #58

What does it mean to "discount" or not? Silent3 Feb 2014 #72

To me, discount means not believing a person when they say what happened. Or not believing it uppityperson Feb 2014 #84

If you call anything but absolute trust, with little or no room left for doubt, "discounting"... Silent3 Feb 2014 #85

Dichotomous thinking. uppityperson Feb 2014 #95

I asked, and what you answered is what sounded dichotomous. Silent3 Feb 2014 #97

+1000000 Jamastiene Feb 2014 #46

That's why priests got away w/it for 2000 years... alittlelark Feb 2014 #83

But then how can the vindictive adult involved treestar Feb 2014 #5

The simple answer is the more authority the person has the easier it is to do. Kurska Feb 2014 #10

Likely "Ignore-worthy," Kurska. 1000words Feb 2014 #8

I had a situation where foster parents convinced the children no_hypocrisy Feb 2014 #9

my daughter often adamantly states that she has been to places that she has not loli phabay Feb 2014 #13

On the other hand, this woman that everyone is certain is either a liar or deluded, may have Squinch Feb 2014 #14

That is the point Kurska Feb 2014 #15

So all those boys who were under the impression that they were molested by priests Squinch Feb 2014 #20

take a step back, you believe her and thats okay but it clouds your response much the same as loli phabay Feb 2014 #24

No actually, I said absolutely nothing of the sort. Kurska Feb 2014 #25

What do you mean by "solid evidence"? uppityperson Feb 2014 #27

I would say solid evidence of long ago abuse could be a lot of things. Kurska Feb 2014 #28

Thank you, that makes more sense. You may want to edit your op because without uppityperson Feb 2014 #34

That obviously is true for a conviction BainsBane Feb 2014 #54

What if there is only one victim? blue neen Feb 2014 #70

And yet, in your OP, you never once raised the possibility that this woman's memory - which was Squinch Feb 2014 #29

That is probably because I never mentioned her directly in my OP. Kurska Feb 2014 #30

You may not be implying that, but others most certainly are. kcr Feb 2014 #32

Ah, just random thoughts about false childhood memories, nothing to do with the case that everyone Squinch Feb 2014 #33

I never said it wasn't related to the ongoing discussions on DU. Kurska Feb 2014 #37

So you're not taking sides, but your comment is that childhood memories are likely not true. Squinch Feb 2014 #39

"your comment is that childhood memories are likely not true." swing and miss Kurska Feb 2014 #41

I think we all know what you are actually saying. It's not that hard to grasp. Squinch Feb 2014 #43

Um, okay let me try Kurska Feb 2014 #44

Some people have just made up their minds and anyone who disagrees is supporting pedophelia. cui bono Feb 2014 #60

Wow. You really are incapable of an honest discussion joeglow3 Feb 2014 #90

Someone is putting well though out ideas about why one party in this conflict is wrong. Squinch Feb 2014 #116

What on earth am I "wrong" about? Kurska Feb 2014 #136

Thank you. I was really offended. Walk away Feb 2014 #35

It seems a bit disingenuous, doesn't it? Squinch Feb 2014 #36

Hah, well it appears it doesn't matter what I actually say. Kurska Feb 2014 #40

Slate and Scientific American BainsBane Feb 2014 #56

I included links that would be readily understood by most people and provide a general introduction. Kurska Feb 2014 #59

What do you have to see about the frequency of child abuse vs. the rarity of false accusations? BainsBane Feb 2014 #66

What impact do you believe those should have on our courts joeglow3 Feb 2014 #91

"It means that we should be cautious when we examine such allegations and nothing more or less." JTFrog Feb 2014 #129

Wow that is a brutal selective quoting. Why on earth didn't you quote the ENTIRE SENTENCE. Kurska Feb 2014 #131

They'd probably love to have you. n/t JTFrog Feb 2014 #132

So not going to defend that? Kurska Feb 2014 #133

Even discounting your obviously biased selective editing mythology Feb 2014 #140

I can't believe this forum right now. I wish I hadn't come back into GD and seen this, and the other redqueen Feb 2014 #74

I feel certain I haven't. But they're all doing a bang up job about Squinch Feb 2014 #114

I'm sorry you find well researched science to be festering sewage Kurska Feb 2014 #147

she may have, problem is we dont know for certain and thats the issue loli phabay Feb 2014 #17

I haven't seen anyone claim to be "certain" of that tkmorris Feb 2014 #61

Imagine my disappointment that you don't take me seriously. Squinch Feb 2014 #63

My favorite false memory DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2014 #16

I have a very clear childhood memory that could never have happened.. likesmountains 52 Feb 2014 #23

So clearly, the only thing we can conclude then is kitchens never existed in your childhood. kcr Feb 2014 #38

The other problem with the false memories idea is that she first reported it right after it had Squinch Feb 2014 #42

There was such a case in a private daycare in the '80s. Igel Feb 2014 #48

The McMartin case bore no resemblance to this case whatsoever. Squinch Feb 2014 #50

"assumption that Dylan Farrow is either lying, delusional, or deranged." No you're wrong Kurska Feb 2014 #76

And here is the proof that you are not getting this concept: Squinch Feb 2014 #115

I have never once discounted the possibility that it happened. Kurska Feb 2014 #119

I have read your posts. And I think you do not understand how slanted Squinch Feb 2014 #121

Okay here is an idea Kurska Feb 2014 #122

I just know that if someone asked me if this had happened I would say yes.. likesmountains 52 Feb 2014 #57

There are many people who have been raped and abused in their childhood.... Walk away Feb 2014 #31

Yes. Igel Feb 2014 #49

+1 n/t Silent3 Feb 2014 #71

Why that guy might really be a child abuser BainsBane Feb 2014 #51

Yes. Far more likely than someone taking the trouble treestar Feb 2014 #80

Something very disturbing about these two statements from your post. rgbecker Feb 2014 #88

Predators smell vulnerability BainsBane Feb 2014 #99

And yet there are children who were most definitely sexually abused and when they finally decide justiceischeap Feb 2014 #52

I have a false memory BainsBane Feb 2014 #53

I see a few separate issues with this whole Woody Allen thing gollygee Feb 2014 #55

I think this would make a fantastic OP Kurska Feb 2014 #62

Woody Allen is pedohpile creep, get over it Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #67

Thanks for stopping by :) n/t Kurska Feb 2014 #75

I had a severe bike accident as a kid. I very clearly remember that. Initech Feb 2014 #68

I believe in evidence, logic and proof. LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #73

Now, I heard a story once defacto7 Feb 2014 #79

That has nothing to do with false memories gollygee Feb 2014 #86

Uhhh, yes it does. defacto7 Feb 2014 #107

No gollygee Feb 2014 #113

I take your point. defacto7 Feb 2014 #123

Thanks to you also for wading through all this sewage in order to try to shed some light. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Kurska Feb 2014 #145

I'm curious Kurska Feb 2014 #146

I have several siblings. When we get together, we talk about our childhood memories. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #82

Yeah, and on the other end of the spectrum, Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #92

I'm so sorry you went through that! JNelson6563 Feb 2014 #94

'Preciate that, JN. Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #96

You are exactly right about predators & how they operate. JNelson6563 Feb 2014 #98

What is this OP really about? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #93

Yeah right. Kurska Feb 2014 #100

So when I remember that I was fondled by a relative when I was a kid... Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #101

Did you actually read my OP before you got offended? Kurska Feb 2014 #102

I did. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #104

It does suggest that SOME adults who remember being abused as children have false memories. Kurska Feb 2014 #106

Bad timing on the OP kcr Feb 2014 #135

Vashta, Squinch Feb 2014 #117

Thank you Squinch. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #118

My take from these Squinch Feb 2014 #120

A friend is going through a very horrible and nasty divorce and custody battle Horse with no Name Feb 2014 #105

Dylan's experiences were documented at the time. So there's less chance than with most of us. pnwmom Feb 2014 #108

The headline is link-bait Exciting Trip Feb 2014 #109

Um, I wrote this OP and I'm in no way affiliated with anyone linked to Kurska Feb 2014 #110

Still link bait Exciting Trip Feb 2014 #143

Personally I find memory to be thrilling, especially how it is actually a reconstructive process. Kurska Feb 2014 #144

... SidDithers Feb 2014 #141

Read this: morningfog Feb 2014 #142

And then there are the memoris that did happen and Skidmore Feb 2014 #112

Did anyone watch, "just Ask My Children" on Lifetime Movies? sox-63 Feb 2014 #127

Sorry to disappoint, but my life happened. I've got witnesses. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #128

rec MerryBlooms Feb 2014 #137

I'm sorry, but you appear to have missed the point n/t Kurska Feb 2014 #138