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ForgoTheConsequence

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2. Decriminalization can work.

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Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:19 AM

Feb 2014

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/evaluating-drug-decriminalization-in-portugal-12-years-later-a-891060.html

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Being found dead with a needle in your arm is not a human right [View all] Renew Deal Feb 2014 OP

Step 1 ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #1

Will it be more successful than the decriminalization of alcohol? Renew Deal Feb 2014 #3

What? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #4

+1 daleanime Feb 2014 #44

Damn skippy. MrScorpio Feb 2014 #108

you know that 80 proof bottle of whiskey you bought at the package store.. frylock Feb 2014 #128

+1 cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #88

While I completely agree with you... Javaman Feb 2014 #114

Decriminalization can work. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #2

Thats not their final conclusion...... Historic NY Feb 2014 #109

Some drugs are illegal yet people still get them, become addicted and some die. What else are we neverforget Feb 2014 #5

The intent is to decriminalize drugs. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #6

I agree with you almost 100% on this post, so it saved me from a lot of typing :-) The *only* thing Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #101

You have assumed that Bohunk68 Feb 2014 #106

I don't "assume" anything. I speak from 40+ years of my own experience. Oh, and by the way, Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #115

I appreciate the information. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #136

It damn well IS a human right Geddy Ringo Feb 2014 #7

I guess that must make it a big corpporation's right to dump toxic chemicals BainsBane Feb 2014 #10

What in the world? Egnever Feb 2014 #15

Govt off our backs. It's the same thing BainsBane Feb 2014 #16

So fuck abortion then right? Egnever Feb 2014 #30

Ironically Ayn Rand was all for abortion. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #37

Good job outing the strawman. Springslips Feb 2014 #127

So what exactly is it you want? BainsBane Feb 2014 #47

I want the Portuguese model. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #51

Once again wild leaps from control of ones own body Egnever Feb 2014 #54

If you can't be bothered to state your position BainsBane Feb 2014 #63

LOL and another ridiculous response. Egnever Feb 2014 #84

A ridiculous response BainsBane Feb 2014 #91

Good lord Egnever Feb 2014 #97

The situation we have right now is, even a terminally ill person in crippling pain can't make that Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #64

Do you think the 100 people who died in the past couple of months BainsBane Feb 2014 #67

I think the drug war as it stands is NOT working. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #72

You are ignoring my points BainsBane Feb 2014 #73

No, I'm not. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #74

You did so in a mocking tone BainsBane Feb 2014 #92

Oh no, not the "tone argument" again! Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #96

I tend to agree with you davidpdx Feb 2014 #105

Of course there is a philosophy that can allow freedom while strongly regulating business. MicaelS Feb 2014 #121

Also selling stuff to people that will kill them is a perfect Randian eugenics program. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #21

If you decriminalize there are still punishments for dealers. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #23

There seem to be a lot of people on DU of late who hate everything about government BainsBane Feb 2014 #26

There are right and left libertarians. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #32

You talk alot and don't bother to find out what people think BainsBane Feb 2014 #39

I work with addicts. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #42

Trying to peg someone as a libertarian based on one issue is not a very bright tactic. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #58

Well, when they admit to being libertarian BainsBane Feb 2014 #60

There are certainly left-leaning civil libertarians. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #75

True. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #61

There is an innate libertarianism within all of us. How much we want in politics is up to debate. freshwest Feb 2014 #79

Arresting people for being sick is authoritarian right wing nonsense. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #22

I said nothing about sending people to prision BainsBane Feb 2014 #25

When you actually say something, I'll listen. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #28

Your words lack logic quakerboy Feb 2014 #98

I get just as upset about getting behind a wheel buzzed... MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #14

What you do with your body and life has consequences for others. TygrBright Feb 2014 #31

I have a sister in law who is an addict, and I see the pain it inflicts on my brother and liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #33

No one is pretending that damage doesn't happen. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #34

The poster I was responding to asserted: TygrBright Feb 2014 #56

The punitive approach doesn't work Warpy Feb 2014 #46

I don't think I advocated the "punitive approach," did I? TygrBright Feb 2014 #52

Everything has consequences. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #57

You Win the Thread. I'm going to study that post for a while. Thanks. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #68

we already have laws against all of those "consequences." there are laws against DUI, TheFrenchRazor Feb 2014 #132

This. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #55

I just wish the government would mandate soma for everyone. Kablooie Feb 2014 #8

It's mostly the black market that kills people. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #9

My response to the death of PSH is: what a tragedy. what a loss RainDog Feb 2014 #11

Your drug war has failed, wax as moral and high sounding as you please TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #12

What do the chemicals have to do with it? defacto7 Feb 2014 #13

Rat Park experiments. delrem Feb 2014 #17

I'd say its more of a human wrong no matter what the law says. Kablooie Feb 2014 #18

Overdoses happen mostly because the drugs are illegal Warpy Feb 2014 #19

Well said. Egnever Feb 2014 #100

You can argue that all you want to, but you have no control over what other people do. Rex Feb 2014 #20

I agree... ReRe Feb 2014 #24

Expressed so very well. Thanks, ReRe. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #27

Thanks, freshwest ReRe Feb 2014 #45

+1 liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #29

This part of what you wrote: Jamastiene Feb 2014 #135

since heroin's illegal, i guess mr. hoffman's not dead. nt. TheFrenchRazor Feb 2014 #35

If people are stupid enough to kill themselves while doing drugs, that's their business. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #36

He had a disease. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #38

I agree. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #41

We are fighting a war in heroine heaven, otherwise known as Afghanistan. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #40

wtf does desiring harm reduction in our drug policies Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #43

Hey guys let's continue Reagan's failed war on drugs!!!!!!!! ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #48

Oh, there are a bunch of Reagan policies which get certain folks all misty eyed and excited. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #50

nostalgia..nt Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #81

I believe peoples' bodies fundamentally belong to themselves: not to the Government, or "God". Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #49

You had me at "blargle farlgle narglehopper" davidthegnome Feb 2014 #59

Some people looooove their labels. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #62

Yes, it's a keeper. He wins the internets. Now I'll have to get a translation of that term. freshwest Feb 2014 #66

I googled it, and all I got was dish.com offering something called a "free hopper upgrade" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #85

Besides, who here is calling for all drugs to be legalized? The OP is making wild assumptions Rex Feb 2014 #76

I haven't seen that point argued here, seriously. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #77

True if the DEA actually fought drugs that were killing us en mass they would go after Big Pharma. Rex Feb 2014 #86

And the argument that "if you let PEOPLE do what they want, corporations will run amok!" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #87

correct. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2014 #134

Your BS prohibition rant has consequences too. Like a higher usage rate of heroin. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #53

Heroin use, according to experts, is up 79% because of LEGAL drugs BainsBane Feb 2014 #94

Not the same issue but AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #99

I want to decriminalize drugs. I certainly don't want to see ecstatic Feb 2014 #65

Here's the thing that anti-drug zealots don't get: Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #69

.... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #70

There is no such thing as human rights. ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #71

Well, if no one has any rights, then what was the harm? kcr Feb 2014 #83

The harm in what? ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #89

The supposed harm caused by the myth of human rights n/t kcr Feb 2014 #110

OK. I wasn't sure if you meant that harm ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #117

You don't see the connection? kcr Feb 2014 #118

I used that example because I burnt myself while baking pizza. ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #120

Absolutely, let's keep people from being total assholes kcr Feb 2014 #122

That might be true. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #123

Of course there is such a thing as human rights, it came into existence the moment Rex Feb 2014 #125

Either way, the claim it doesn't exist is inaccurate. n/t kcr Feb 2014 #126

Drug War SamKnause Feb 2014 #78

The distinction between human rights and legal rights is an illusion. merrily Feb 2014 #80

I'm all for protecting people. davidthegnome Feb 2014 #82

We didn't learn from prohibition did we? OwnedByCats Feb 2014 #90

Another screed from an authoritarian that believes they know better than you how to conduct Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #93

If I 'm the one who put the needle in my arm Mr.Bill Feb 2014 #95

More treatment options get the red out Feb 2014 #102

Who said ot was, oh, YOU DID DiverDave Feb 2014 #103

I ask myself that from time to time. Rex Feb 2014 #124

All drugs should be legal. The consequences you speak of are not on B Calm Feb 2014 #104

That's the way they find them. Orrex Feb 2014 #107

What are your thoughts on prison? lame54 Feb 2014 #111

Suicide is a human right. former9thward Feb 2014 #112

I agree. HappyMe Feb 2014 #113

Either we own our bodies and can make decisions about what we do with them, JoeyT Feb 2014 #116

Drugs should be legal... ALL of them. Glassunion Feb 2014 #119

He probably died of acetyl fentanyl spiked heroin FarCenter Feb 2014 #129

screw that Trajan Feb 2014 #130

A person's "rants" as you call them, have no consequences Jamastiene Feb 2014 #131

My brother was found the same way scorpiogirl Feb 2014 #133

Keeping it illegal sure as hell didn't save Hoffman Nevernose Feb 2014 #137