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HereSince1628

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11. Yes. Everyone of these sorts of debates I've witnessed since the 70's is a circus
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:56 AM
Feb 2014

They are always played outside of the rules of scientific evidence and scientific reasoning and thereby enable a number of forensic tropes.

Conjecture about things like a "cosmic designer" are argued as primae faciae acceptable competing alternatives, rather than both outside the realm of science and unsubstantiated by empirical evidence. The very existence of such conjectures within such false/scientifically unacceptable dichotomies becomes "proof" that alternate "reasonable" ideas exist and thereby that evolutionary theory has a viable competitor. The title of the upcoming debate indicates that this will be one of its major themes.

At the same time, variation in scientific interpretation in response to changing evidence about such things as the possible course of chemical/molecular evolution leading to protobionts is presented as proof of dissent and disagreement that discredits evolution on the whole within science.

Toss in a few anecdotes about error/biases of scientists (Haeckel's drawing of comparative ontogeny is popular here) or seemingly incongruous phenomena (older geologic strata on top of younger strata is a favorite) as general discrediting of all science and you have a 60-90 minute circus.

These debates never change anyone's mind.

Yet, post event polls of the masses who witness the event will show that within the witnesses there remains disagreement This will be proclaimed as evidence of decisive victory by the side arguing that creation remains a viable alternative.

















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I don't hold out much hope for intelligent debate. Warpy Feb 2014 #1
As I will Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #2
As an added note Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #3
I can predict exactly how it'll go. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #4
That's not how they operate. In fact they depend on that preconception JHB Feb 2014 #6
^^That. Orrex Feb 2014 #8
yup. magical thyme Feb 2014 #12
Not much to see here. CFLDem Feb 2014 #5
It goes more like this: JHB Feb 2014 #16
BIG, huge mistake for Nye to accept this. longship Feb 2014 #7
Yes. Everyone of these sorts of debates I've witnessed since the 70's is a circus HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #11
I don't know much about Ken Ham, but I would guess he must be a great manipulator. Shoulders of Giants Feb 2014 #26
I just know that these things often don't pan out. longship Feb 2014 #27
What is the difference between Creationism and saying God used scientific methods, el_bryanto Feb 2014 #9
because evolution says we were apes before human. can't have that. magical thyme Feb 2014 #14
Nods- i understand that's the creationists point of view el_bryanto Feb 2014 #15
I misread/misinterpreted the question, so thought you were asking if Creationists magical thyme Feb 2014 #18
Well there are multiple meanings of the word creationist el_bryanto Feb 2014 #19
for the purposes of this thread, there are 2 meanings that matter magical thyme Feb 2014 #21
The relevant difference is that creationism is a philosophy, whilst evolution/astronomy is a science LanternWaste Feb 2014 #25
science debates science fiction....waste of time spanone Feb 2014 #10
Creationism is not science fiction Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #32
A good quote.. X_Digger Feb 2014 #13
What a pointless debate. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #17
I agree n/t PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #20
I agree, Ham is a huckster selling snake oil to those that need their snake oil Johonny Feb 2014 #22
Agreed. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #23
Juanita Jean is urging people to watch this debate Gothmog Feb 2014 #24
This "debate" is a joke... Ka hrnt Feb 2014 #28
Sheesh, is that audience stacked against Nye or what? n/t A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #29
you can't argue against religion. it's fantasy. you can't beat fantasy. spanone Feb 2014 #30
Creationism has little to do with religion. DemocraticWing Feb 2014 #31
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