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frwrfpos

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24. we should just stop the pretenses

Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:07 PM

Feb 2014

and have the Democratic Party put Dick Cheney on the ticket as a Democrat. full support of capitalism, free trade, and mocking lip service to social issues.

This country is fucked and bought and paid for. I find these pointless verbal exercises a waste of time.

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What is your definition of liberal? [View all] OmahaBlueDog Feb 2014 OP

I think we should ask Hillary Clinton about the Progressive part as she was the first one VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #1

I heard "Progressive" start being used frequently in '04 OmahaBlueDog Feb 2014 #5

before then! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #7

Well ...yeah. Henry Wallace ran on the Progressive Populist ticket OmahaBlueDog Feb 2014 #10

Yeah well Progressive was used in the early 1900's too... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #14

Good point democrat2thecore Feb 2014 #9

It was used much earlier than Hillary democrat2thecore Feb 2014 #6

a certain magazine just turned 100 a few years ago hfojvt Feb 2014 #15

Here's a Vonnegut interview from the Progressive that speaks to the subject matter of the thread Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #90

Figures she would co-opt the term hootinholler Feb 2014 #23

Who decides that? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #26

How I may or may not vote is big leap to make. hootinholler Feb 2014 #30

Then why beat up on Democrats now? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #32

Um how exactly am I beating up on Democrats? hootinholler Feb 2014 #34

by saying that you might not even vote for her...even if she wins the primary VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #36

And making things up about what I said is pretty telling as well. hootinholler Feb 2014 #37

Its pretty easy to see.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #38

I'm not couching anything hootinholler Feb 2014 #39

"poster child for the right wing of the party." VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #40

She was featured prominently on the DLC website hootinholler Feb 2014 #41

So? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #43

Are you trying to insinuate that I am a teabagger? hootinholler Feb 2014 #45

did I say that? No I didn't ... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #46

ROFLMAO hootinholler Feb 2014 #48

Well you said what you said about Hillary....seemingly as if SHE isn't a force to be reckoned with VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #50

Yes, I believe she will not win the primary hootinholler Feb 2014 #53

So you are expecting something terrible to happen to Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #55

Correct, Bernie has principles hootinholler Feb 2014 #60

the nazipoohs hate the term 'right wing' pretzel4gore Feb 2014 #78

Someone who can talk about ideas. oldandhappy Feb 2014 #2

oh, it is a poll. oldandhappy Feb 2014 #3

A Liberal is inclusive, A conservative is exclusive,, orpupilofnature57 Feb 2014 #4

Almost everyone is exclusive of some things PlanetaryOrbit Feb 2014 #92

Most people don't make it an art form . orpupilofnature57 Feb 2014 #93

Liberal: believes in reformed capitalism & the power of the markets to bring social change. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #8

Hubert Humphrey OmahaBlueDog Feb 2014 #11

^^ this ^^ TBF Feb 2014 #25

Says who? You know this poll had an agenda right? and that some folks ignored it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #27

lol - you have no need to attack me TBF Feb 2014 #71

On anti-war stuff before 2008, DU definitely trended more left. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #56

Yes - TBF Feb 2014 #70

Yes...AND Obama has ended ONE and is winding down the other... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #73

This really isn't TBF Feb 2014 #74

but you neglect to take into consideration...DU is NOT representative of Americans in general. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #75

And I would submit to you that some of those DUers TBF Feb 2014 #80

I agree....the bashing of folks for supporting Democratic candidates on a Democratic forum is the VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #81

Here is the list of those in the Progressive Caucus... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #12

The opposite of Obama bigwillq Feb 2014 #13

That's not what the Republicans think. eom Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #54

I don't care what those fools think. bigwillq Feb 2014 #84

Two types that are somewhat opposite. Springslips Feb 2014 #16

And has this come about by accident? I don't think so. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #19

Noam Chomsky is NOT a Democrat.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #28

Party affiliation is completely irrelevant to this topic, and to the larger question of Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #31

No this is about Democratic Underground... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #33

I'm curious... Which of Chomsky's positions do you feel MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #58

Not sure what Chomsky's position is on this. Springslips Feb 2014 #44

Not a political position, rather a linguistic analysis. Your first reply was essentially what Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #49

Yeepers. Springslips Feb 2014 #57

It would go a long way to stifling their power. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #69

Nice post. Helps to explain why the verb "liberalize" means to "open up" or "remove restrictions". pampango Feb 2014 #85

It's in my sig line Beearewhyain Feb 2014 #17

The righties have made liberal the definition of a left doc03 Feb 2014 #18

Coincidentally, someone just posted this to my Facebook page Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #20

+1 nt Earth_First Feb 2014 #22

Liberal vs conservative RobertEarl Feb 2014 #21

we should just stop the pretenses frwrfpos Feb 2014 #24

^^^^^ this is what tthe problem is right here... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #29

It is a big part of what is making DU suck. OmahaBlueDog Feb 2014 #63

I'll repost my definition that was posted on said thread.. Cha Feb 2014 #35

No true Scotsman standards... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #42

A person who 1. has human happiness as their highest goal, and MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #47

I would assert that Randian Objectivists believe that they make decisions based on evidence. OmahaBlueDog Feb 2014 #64

Liberal has little to do with issues KentuckyWoman Feb 2014 #51

Someone who believes that people are basically good, honest, and hard-working bhikkhu Feb 2014 #52

Oooh. I like! MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #59

Thanks. bhikkhu Feb 2014 #66

Ten degrees to the left of center... DreamGypsy Feb 2014 #61

Ochs 'self identified' as 'a left social democrat who became an early revolutionary' Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #89

Correct...at least after the Chicago convention in '68.. DreamGypsy Feb 2014 #91

FDR without the internment camps. Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #62

Yeah, LBJ without Vietnam Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #67

Liberalism, as a political philosophy, Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #65

Good definition. YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #68

Thanks. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #79

I think that a good definition is impossible, because Liberals care about all sorts of el_bryanto Feb 2014 #72

Someone who sees, fearlessly, that there is enough for all... Orsino Feb 2014 #76

Someone that believes in and follows the "Golden Rule" Bandit Feb 2014 #77

Well... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #82

I do consider myself a liberal. I have it in my screen name, but labels don't matter to me as liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #83

I have 2 definitions. LWolf Feb 2014 #86

It's what a conservative calls a progressive. Iggo Feb 2014 #87

A liberal is someone who agrees with me all the time about everything. pampango Feb 2014 #88