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IdaBriggs

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157. It is important because it means that even being the daughter of someone rich and famous --

Wed Feb 5, 2014, 09:30 AM

Feb 2014

won't protect you from incest and sexual abuse.

(Believe it or not, this really is about a woman - Dylan - who says she was sexually abused by her father. BONUS: he used to take naked pictures of her sister while the sister was a teenager, who had a body that looks pre-adolescent.)

This story is also about how impossible it is to find justice if you are a victim of these crimes, even if your MOTHER is rich and famous, and the guy commits acts that are immoral and inappropriate with your "older" sister.

Now, if this happens to the children of the "rich and famous" (and pretend you believe her for one second, just like MAYBE you believe the boys who were raped FOR YEARS by Sandusky, but weren't believed FOR YEARS), what is happening to the rest of the children whose stories don't make the front pages?

See: "13 year olds kidnapped for prostitution for Super Bowl" stories for answers....

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Some people found homosexuality so objectionable and "creepy" that... [View all] Bonobo Feb 2014 OP

. dionysus Feb 2014 #1

I read here once zappaman Feb 2014 #2

I have no fucking clue what is happening. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #3

You're not missing much 1000words Feb 2014 #6

No, anti-semitism is criticism of Israeli government policy. Crunchy Frog Feb 2014 #160

Quiet month at the Presidential poutrage fest! whistler162 Feb 2014 #165

Woody Allen's daughter wrote an open letter in the NYTimes BainsBane Feb 2014 #176

Wow. We really are only one step away from accusing anyone who thinks Allen is guilty kcr Feb 2014 #4

Oh, he IS there. someone directly accused SKittles- he just hijacked the idea. bettyellen Feb 2014 #10

That analogy is wildly off-base. DirkGently Feb 2014 #5

"the guy does like fucking sub-adult females who know him as a father figure." Bonobo Feb 2014 #7

An 18 year old may not be - Ms. Toad Feb 2014 #159

The step-daughter from age 10 is fair game at 18? DirkGently Feb 2014 #162

especially the grooming in the parental role. and likelihood that he waited until the seabeyond Feb 2014 #167

Your posts are exactly right on, and notice how they've gone unanswered R B Garr Feb 2014 #169

+1. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #171

Shameful post- did you get the idea from whatever ass accused Skittles of being a homophobe? bettyellen Feb 2014 #8

Why do people care so much about these hollywood stars and their lives? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #13

Good question- why do you write so many very long impassioned posts about it? bettyellen Feb 2014 #14

I'm fascinated by the fascination and wondering why we can't get this kind sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #25

I'm not fascinated enough to read all that, but thanks anyway! bettyellen Feb 2014 #29

LOL. Bonobo Feb 2014 #50

Sabrina has always written many of the most fascinating posts polly7 Feb 2014 #168

the last thing I heard her post was nastily admonishing someone should not have l kids when the bettyellen Feb 2014 #170

It is important because it means that even being the daughter of someone rich and famous -- IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #157

Why no, I didn't. Bonobo Feb 2014 #15

It would have been quicker if I didn't have to choke down the vomit the OP induced. bettyellen Feb 2014 #18

"Creep". There we go again. Bonobo Feb 2014 #19

actually I expressed my feelings fully-That was super fucking creepy to read. Sad you need to accuse bettyellen Feb 2014 #21

Were you "creeped out" by Mia Farrow having relationships with Sinatra and Previn? Bonobo Feb 2014 #30

we were discussing the creepy OP, and you accusing DUers of homophobia.... bettyellen Feb 2014 #84

I did not accuse DU'ers of homophobia. Bonobo Feb 2014 #86

+ 1000. This OP is so NOT surprising. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #154

'Most people'? I think most people are busy trying to feed their children sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #37

It has gotten to the point of hysteria. Allen is now apparently a serial child molester because he quinnox Feb 2014 #9

"determined to be indisputable proof that Allen is guilty" kcr Feb 2014 #11

I've heard him tell a similar joke about a sexual relationship with Roy Roger's horse. JVS Feb 2014 #158

Is this your answer to Dylan Farrow's anguished statement that Allen molested her when she was 7? pnwmom Feb 2014 #12

I think that is explained in the OP. Bonobo Feb 2014 #16

I think that is a pretty huge leap. No one is accusing movie directors of being pedophiles. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #91

this is what they spend time on in the mens group, LOL. I have no doubt you will find them hashing bettyellen Feb 2014 #17

Say what you want, but dating a younger woman does not make one a pedophile. Bonobo Feb 2014 #20

I never said that- bless your confused heart. Stop lying about what I said. bettyellen Feb 2014 #26

Your father dating your 19 year old SISTER is what's creepy. Ask Ronan and Dylan. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #92

Not really saying it isn't creepy... Bonobo Feb 2014 #95

It has to do with transgressing sexual boundaries. Allen doesn't seem to think they exist. pnwmom Feb 2014 #100

Being interested in pre-pubescents is a very specific affliction/predilection Bonobo Feb 2014 #111

The incest taboo and the taboo against molesting children are both "boundary things." pnwmom Feb 2014 #117

But people not interested in little children are not interested in little children. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #124

Most child molesters are NOT exclusively attracted to children. pnwmom Feb 2014 #128

You're right. Absolutely. Bonobo Feb 2014 #131

One of the common misconceptions is Soon-Yi was the daughter of Mia quinnox Feb 2014 #22

That's what adopted means n/t kcr Feb 2014 #24

"betraying your LT partner with her own daughter." quinnox Feb 2014 #28

What does it matter? She's her daughter. kcr Feb 2014 #31

Yes, okay, now tell me how it relates to pedophilia. THAT is the only thing that matters. Bonobo Feb 2014 #35

No, you are the only one who wants to erase all the details kcr Feb 2014 #62

Huh? Bonobo Feb 2014 #63

Yes you are. kcr Feb 2014 #67

So you are denying that people have been saying that they always knew he was "creepy" Bonobo Feb 2014 #70

No, I'm not denying it. Because it isn't just about being attracted to young women! kcr Feb 2014 #76

Yes, but to get there, now you have to pretend that Soon-Yi was not a grown woman but a 10 year old. Bonobo Feb 2014 #77

No. You don't have to. kcr Feb 2014 #78

this is the part where he explains your feelings and opinions are all wrong. bettyellen Feb 2014 #80

No, call him creep all you want. But explain the connection with pedophilia. Bonobo Feb 2014 #83

No. That's where I explain to you kcr Feb 2014 #101

I will give you points for effort. Bonobo Feb 2014 #106

Guess what. People who don't meet the full clinical definition of pedophile molest children kcr Feb 2014 #110

How would that not meet the full clinical definition of pedophile? Bonobo Feb 2014 #112

Don't be obtuse kcr Feb 2014 #114

Sexual molestation of a child does not represent sexual interest in children? Bonobo Feb 2014 #116

It doesn't represent only sexual interest in children. You are flat out wrong. kcr Feb 2014 #119

Oh, I do not deny that and never did. Bonobo Feb 2014 #121

Maybe not directly. It isn't direct evidence. But as a character judgment? Sure it can. kcr Feb 2014 #126

I will end it with this reiteration. Bonobo Feb 2014 #130

Reiterate that all you want. kcr Feb 2014 #132

And that? Can't wrap my head around that. kcr Feb 2014 #87

Not ignoring it. Saying it has no relationship to being attracted sexually to children. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #90

No relationship whatsoever. kcr Feb 2014 #105

Well, that was kind of a funny read. Bonobo Feb 2014 #108

whole load of ignoring boundary issues going on. bettyellen Feb 2014 #93

You think that's an answer? Seriously? Bonobo Feb 2014 #102

again, I said none of those things- i commented on what a shitty implication you made in the OP. bettyellen Feb 2014 #107

Ice = spellcheck changing "icky" nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #109

Again- you seem to be responding to someone else. Or putting words in my mouth INSTEAD of bettyellen Feb 2014 #113

I never lied about what you said. Bonobo Feb 2014 #115

maybe you need to print it out and check.... at least three posts you just made up words bettyellen Feb 2014 #118

If it is true, I owe you an apology. Bonobo Feb 2014 #122

He did the same thing to me n/t kcr Feb 2014 #127

Err, I said that I made a mistake with you. Bonobo Feb 2014 #137

Oh, Im sorry, I wasn't allowed to mention it to anyone else? kcr Feb 2014 #139

No, but you could have mentioned I made an honest mistake and admitted it. Bonobo Feb 2014 #140

"you can't get off the soon yi thing" kcr Feb 2014 #144

Makes no sense, whatever. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #146

Just mean it's the reason I wasn't feeling like being too nice kcr Feb 2014 #148

Circular thinking. Wheeeeeeeeee! Bonobo Feb 2014 #81

Ask Quinnox. That's the person who thinks is matters that Soon-Yi was adopted. pnwmom Feb 2014 #97

every adopted child I know is a son or daughter. so.... at least it wasn't incest, right? bettyellen Feb 2014 #48

Part of it. Incest is a big deal quinnox Feb 2014 #56

Soon-Yi is Mia's OWN daughter. Legally and psychologically, there is no difference between pnwmom Feb 2014 #96

Was, not is. Mia and some of the other Farrow family have shunned her and her husband entirely. JVS Feb 2014 #155

oh lord, now I have to explain what adoption is? LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #27

what's sad is people commenting who don't even know the basic facts of the case quinnox Feb 2014 #40

my statement was accurate. Soon Yi is her daughter, Woody was LT partner- they conspired to fuck bettyellen Feb 2014 #60

And they got married, and have remained married ever since quinnox Feb 2014 #65

Twenty years! Bonobo Feb 2014 #71

Yep, very close to it. I looked it up, they got married on December 24, 1997 quinnox Feb 2014 #72

LOL, they pretty much have to stay together after that. she could tank his career in a heartbeat bettyellen Feb 2014 #74

wow, pretty cynical view there. Maybe it is true love quinnox Feb 2014 #75

it's interesting when you realize how much leverage she has now. he used to avoid parties like the bettyellen Feb 2014 #79

Honestly, I'm not really interested in those details. I just thought that since they have been quinnox Feb 2014 #82

No, he goes to parties now! Don't you see what that REALLY means? Bonobo Feb 2014 #85

heh quinnox Feb 2014 #88

That has nothing to do with how wrong it was for Ronan's father to marry his sister. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #98

Likely longer and more successful than the marriages of some of his critics Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #152

Soon-Yi was as much the daughter of Mia as you are the child of your parents or I am of mine. pnwmom Feb 2014 #94

Uhm you don't think Mia adopting her makes her Mia's daughter? gollygee Feb 2014 #156

No, it does not make her a biological daughter quinnox Feb 2014 #173

It's an irrelevant fact gollygee Feb 2014 #183

Trying to normalize the dating of underage stepdaughters. It's a new low. kcr Feb 2014 #23

Underage, no. And normalize, no. That's two fails. Bonobo Feb 2014 #32

And sorry you can't grasp that the children of partners are particularly off limits kcr Feb 2014 #36

Okay, off limits. But what does it have to do with pedophilia. Isn't that the issue? Bonobo Feb 2014 #38

What does it have to do with it? kcr Feb 2014 #52

That is so lacking in logic that I don't even know where to start. Bonobo Feb 2014 #55

Once again. Not just talking about being attracted to younger women here. kcr Feb 2014 #59

So what? He knew her since she was 10. So what? Bonobo Feb 2014 #89

I'm suggesting it's a possibility kcr Feb 2014 #123

Yes, that is the circular logic part. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #125

You don't know what circular logic means n/t kcr Feb 2014 #134

Yes, I do. Bonobo Feb 2014 #135

I have not concluded he's a pedophile kcr Feb 2014 #138

I can see you are big into getting the last word. Bonobo Feb 2014 #142

And I can see that you'll go right back to an erroneous point even when you've conceded it's wrong kcr Feb 2014 #143

I never conceded that. Bonobo Feb 2014 #145

See your response to post 128 n/t kcr Feb 2014 #147

Umm, that doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. Bonobo Feb 2014 #149

You're wrong. kcr Feb 2014 #150

planning that kind of betrayal with your LT partner's own daughter. yikes. bettyellen Feb 2014 #43

Shitty person is related to pedophilia? Seriously. Stop fucking dodging. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #51

never said that. this is that badgering thing, that leads others to walk away quickly- gagging. BYE bettyellen Feb 2014 #54

Ha ha ha. Bonobo Feb 2014 #57

Another common misconception. Soon-Yi was not the step daughter of Woody Allen quinnox Feb 2014 #34

She was ten years old when they met kcr Feb 2014 #46

Yeah.. underage... opiate69 Feb 2014 #39

And she was 10 when Woody and Mia met and began a relationship. kcr Feb 2014 #49

Right.. her exact birth year is unknown.. however.. opiate69 Feb 2014 #64

When the photos were discovered. kcr Feb 2014 #68

And that 'Very well could have' is pretty much JackInGreen Feb 2014 #99

Why are you taking it? When I didn't say it? kcr Feb 2014 #129

apparently, it doesn't matter what you or I say- they will quote some other DUer and pretend you bettyellen Feb 2014 #172

You dont' know that's when it began BainsBane Feb 2014 #181

It reminds me of some blog I was reading - advice for guys if they are afraid they are being creepy bettyellen Feb 2014 #42

You think that your finding me creepy is some kind of a rational argument? Bonobo Feb 2014 #44

No, me finding you creepy, misquoting me and being disrespectful are facts though. Which lead me to bettyellen Feb 2014 #53

Allen did not maintain appropriate sexual boundaries with the 19 year old sister pnwmom Feb 2014 #104

Again, here is what a boundary is to me: Bonobo Feb 2014 #120

There are people who feel that way fadedrose Feb 2014 #33

I'm starting to think "Ida Briggs" has the right idea: 1000words Feb 2014 #41

They are upset to be called out on their crazy fucked up wrongheaded logic. Bonobo Feb 2014 #47

Gee, I don't know ... 1000words Feb 2014 #58

She is a strong woman who "knows herself". nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #61

How DARE you call a strong and willful woman JackInGreen Feb 2014 #103

When did Demi Moore have a relationship with the child of her long term parner kcr Feb 2014 #133

You can't get off the Soon-Yi thing. Bonobo Feb 2014 #136

I didn't make that poster compare her to Demi Moore nt kcr Feb 2014 #141

Lol! zappaman Feb 2014 #69

What? cyberswede Feb 2014 #73

Passing judgment on guys who rape seven year olds BainsBane Feb 2014 #179

I hope I'm on the list BainsBane Feb 2014 #178

huh? Whisp Feb 2014 #45

It's 2014 and a few people are still talking about Allen and Soon Yi LittleBlue Feb 2014 #66

Fundies skeeve me out just like pedophiles wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #151

The Woody Allen issue has NOTHING to do with homosexuality gollygee Feb 2014 #153

Trashing. Iggo Feb 2014 #161

Kicking this, so everyone can get ready to be smeared as analagous to a homophobe.... bettyellen Feb 2014 #163

this is a new low, bonobo. seabeyond Feb 2014 #164

Welcome back. William769 Feb 2014 #174

Than you, william. Nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #175

Yet it keeps a familar theme going BainsBane Feb 2014 #177

yes. and the insults. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #180

Some people are homophobes, so Woody Allen is innocent. Got it. Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #166

Whatever it takes to make banging your girlfriend's daughter sound more palatable will be done... LanternWaste Feb 2014 #182