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baldguy

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58. And you're under the mistaken impression that capitalism has succeeded,
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:54 AM
Feb 2014

and that the capitalist ideology, which you're spewing out of ignorance, is simply the natural order of things. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Do you think the Africans who were kidnapped & shipped like cargo over 10,000 miles and sold into slavery didn't have capitalism forced on them? Or the Scottish people who suffered & died in the name of capitalism during the Highland Clearances? Or the various Native American nations who tried to fight off the European invasion? Capitalism has always expanded it's reach by being forced upon people, exploiting them & then bleeding them dry (sometimes literally). This has always resulted in greater inequality, suffering & death for it's victims. This isn't "trivia", it's history. Capitalist ideologues like you would condemn the world to repeat it.

The plain fact is - which has been pointed out several times in this thread - communism has never really been tried. Therefore, there's no way you can say it has "failed". (The structure of communism actually works quite well, and is used all the time. Ironically, the most successful collective institutions are Western-style corporations. Ownership is divided equally among the shares of the corporation, and strategic decisions are made via a democratic vote. Communism would simply do for labor what corporations have done for capital.)

OTOH, failure is an integral part of capitalist ideology. That's really the only thing capitalism has going for it - the system doesn't break when things go bad. It's just that people need to suffer & die. When that happens, rational people have stepped in to regulate those things which caused the suffering by introducing aspects of socialism and communism into the capitalist system. As a result of these changes you have never experienced the evils of pure capitalism. They can only be understood by studying history.

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Popcorn anyone? whistler162 Feb 2014 #1
yes, please and move over xchrom Feb 2014 #2
I'll take mine with some garlic butter please! Initech Feb 2014 #41
It is unwise to play the bodycount game? joshcryer Feb 2014 #3
I'm an anti-communist too, but I think it would be interesting to see what goes into that number JHB Feb 2014 #8
I'm not anti-communist, I am anti-state communist. joshcryer Feb 2014 #24
If you want to fight that fight, I'll leave you to it JHB Feb 2014 #38
This statement may currently be true of the general public: PotatoChip Feb 2014 #42
One has to pick one's fights. If you want to pick that one, you're welcome to it JHB Feb 2014 #50
Interesting newfie11 Feb 2014 #4
Why oh why Android3.14 Feb 2014 #5
Some people are more interested in facts TBF Feb 2014 #10
As well you should. joshcryer Feb 2014 #25
Which ones specifically? nt TBF Feb 2014 #32
You don't see through this? Really? Android3.14 Feb 2014 #39
I'll ask you what I asked TBF Feb 2014 #45
I don't want to discuss anything Android3.14 Feb 2014 #47
As I expected. nt TBF Feb 2014 #48
You tried to pull the "there's no point in my telling you" canard with me. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #64
Great article. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #6
Thanks xchrom, great article. K&R. Scuba Feb 2014 #7
... xchrom Feb 2014 #9
K&R. nt DLevine Feb 2014 #11
Rec. n/t Smarmie Doofus Feb 2014 #12
Great article. The "best" is at the end. fasttense Feb 2014 #13
it's the MickeyD effect of culture and society. xchrom Feb 2014 #14
Oh, no, specialization! joshcryer Feb 2014 #26
Communism is a failed experiment Progressive dog Feb 2014 #15
Except that none of the so-called "communst" countries were actually following pure communism. baldguy Feb 2014 #18
Pure communism can't exist using real people, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #20
And you can't have true or pure capitalism or free markets either. fasttense Feb 2014 #23
I agree, but capitalism doesn't depend on a "new man" Progressive dog Feb 2014 #27
Can you explain? PotatoChip Feb 2014 #29
A "new man"? What do you mean by that? fasttense Feb 2014 #34
From wikipedia Progressive dog Feb 2014 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author PotatoChip Feb 2014 #43
That is funny, hint Progressive dog Feb 2014 #44
You mean like Capitalism's "Homo economicus"? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #51
The Soviets and the Chinese followed Marx and Engels Progressive dog Feb 2014 #52
Do you have any clue what sort of social upheaval occurred when feudalism gave way to capitalism? baldguy Feb 2014 #49
Yes and apparently you don't Progressive dog Feb 2014 #53
Would that be agrarian capitalism, mercantile capitalism or capitalism based on international trade? baldguy Feb 2014 #56
Communism failed, get over it Progressive dog Feb 2014 #57
And you're under the mistaken impression that capitalism has succeeded, baldguy Feb 2014 #58
If you have a better system than capitalism Progressive dog Feb 2014 #59
Your one-liners have never been true, even when Reagan said them 30 yrs ago. baldguy Feb 2014 #60
Communism has failed everywhere it has been tried, period. Progressive dog Feb 2014 #61
IT NEVER *HAS* BEEN TRIED!! baldguy Feb 2014 #62
So, your special undisclosed variety of communism has never been tried. Progressive dog Feb 2014 #63
"IT NEVER *HAS* BEEN TRIED!!" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #65
Capitalism has been an abject failure too. So much so that there are few countries practicing it. baldguy Feb 2014 #66
"Capitalism has been an abject failure too." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #67
Yes, a workers' cooperative would be the ideal of pure Communism Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2014 #30
Out-of-control Capitalism gave us "Money equals Free Speech" and "Corporations are people." another_liberal Feb 2014 #16
+1 daleanime Feb 2014 #21
No. 8 -- Communist countries were Communist. ananda Feb 2014 #17
+1000 PotatoChip Feb 2014 #19
"Capitalist governments don’t commit human rights atrocities." snooper2 Feb 2014 #22
Back during the Reagan administration, Jeane Kirkpatrick was all over TV Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2014 #28
Pretty weak article - there's a case to be made for communism el_bryanto Feb 2014 #31
Communism and capitalism are obsolete -- they are based on theories of production FarCenter Feb 2014 #33
Making money out of money PotatoChip Feb 2014 #35
Someone has to produce the stuff for all those fasttense Feb 2014 #36
Agriculture is down to a few percent of workers and manufacturing is about 1/5 or so. FarCenter Feb 2014 #37
I don't know if I'd say obsolete - TBF Feb 2014 #46
My kevlar drawers were in the wash, so I didn't post this yesterday. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #54
... xchrom Feb 2014 #55
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