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phantom power

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Wed Feb 5, 2014, 11:51 AM Feb 2014

Shorter Ken Ham Supporters: Magnets, How Do They Work? [View all]

photo essay from Juggalo Nation....

I was skeptical about the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate because I tend to fall on the side of believing that debating things that are fact just gives credence to lies. Also, the fact that the Christian right is obsessed with debating—seriously, Christian right homeschooling is completely absorbed with teaching kids how to debate—suggests to me that they’ve determined that a debate is a good format for elevating lies so that they seem truer. I’ve never had a more secular conservative offer to “debate” me, but you get those offers from Christian conservatives all the time. I suspect the main reason they love it is because the debate format leaves little to no room for fact-checking, and most audience members, especially conservatives, struggle to tell the difference between an argument and an assertion. (Indeed, that’s why one of my favorite games on Twitter is asking conservatives to explain what the latest talking point they’ve been fed by Fox News means. They can never do. I can usually do a better job of it, and I don’t even believe it.) The debate format is good if the audience understands these limitations, but, in my experience, Christian conservatives love it because they understand the audience doesn’t understand these limitations. Therefore, the only good one I’ve ever watched was one put on by a philosophy department at a university, mainly because it was clear the creationist was out of his league with a group of philosophy and science students who can very well tell the difference between evidence, argument, and assertion. I have zero doubt, therefore, that the price of injecting Bill Nye’s common sense explanations of scientific facts was that Christian conservatives walked away feeling validated in their lunacy.

But Matt Stopera of Buzzfeed really managed to extract an unvarnished good from the whole thing, which is to use the occasion to expose the self-satisfied intellectual incuriosity of the right. He asked the Ham supporters at the debate to write little notes to the reality-based world, telling us what they think we need to hear. It was a great project, because the contrast between their self-satisfaction and their idiocy is just so horrible it turns around and becomes wonderful again. It reminded me of nothing more than the Insane Clown Posse’s infamous demand that magnets are a miracle because no one knows how they work. Indeed, many of the “questions” that the creationists seem to think were slam dunk gotchas are just as easily resolved by a Google search as the question of magnet magic.


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That picture is scary on so many levels it's, well, scary! Scuba Feb 2014 #1
Tut tut... FBaggins Feb 2014 #2
"Troubling" perhaps, for the ignorance of science and spelling .... Scuba Feb 2014 #3
She really does, hilariously, seem to think that is a gotcha question LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #4
I hope that picture's fake sakabatou Feb 2014 #12
Looks like it, writing looks fake at least...n/t PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #14
That fevered light of fanaticism in her eyes gives me the willies... Aristus Feb 2014 #13
PIcture is fake. But the sentiment is real. progressoid Feb 2014 #20
you cannot debate someone who's answer is always "Magic" NightWatcher Feb 2014 #5
So many times, Ham's answer boiled down to: 'cause.. bible! {lather, rinse, repeat} X_Digger Feb 2014 #6
I was going to say "you just can't debate *****" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #8
Debate SamKnause Feb 2014 #9
Because every night the Mountain-Monsters eat the friendly glowing Orb of Warmth, silly! Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #7
If their what is no God? MineralMan Feb 2014 #10
Oh my!!! kwolf68 Feb 2014 #11
22 messages SamKnause Feb 2014 #15
Michelle Bachman has believer's eyes phantom power Feb 2014 #22
This is the same reason I don't bother debating teabaggers IRL. tridim Feb 2014 #16
Not enough faces... not enough palms... to respond to this shit. nt Bigmack Feb 2014 #17
Yikes! That's an unfortunate pic! Iggo Feb 2014 #18
It was only about a year ago that Bill Nye was being ridiculed for asserting that the world wide wally Feb 2014 #19
Agreed, this lack of understanding of grade-school science creeps me out phantom power Feb 2014 #21
“Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that." pokerfan Feb 2014 #23
All those people look like miserable human beings. Arkana Feb 2014 #24
If there is no God, who pushes up the next Kleenex? Brother Buzz Feb 2014 #25
Not to mention, it defies the theory of gravity. valerief Feb 2014 #27
Gravity? I got some gravity right here Brother Buzz Feb 2014 #29
that's because it's only a theory derp frylock Feb 2014 #30
I knew these people were stupid, but I didn't know they had a problem with their/there until now. nt valerief Feb 2014 #26
Lord, protect us from these morons!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #28
everyone knows that the sun sets because it rolls off the edge of the earth.. frylock Feb 2014 #31
"The tide goes in, the tide goes out. They can't explain that." (Bill O'Reilley) tblue37 Feb 2014 #32
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