Where are all the Apple haters now??? Mike Daisey admits to being in theater not journalism. He took

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81. I get the impression you're more worried about "Apple hate" than the problem.

Screens are the point, nadin, because it illustrates the hype which increases sales.
You don't need it, but you want it. The effective goal of ANY advertising -- get a
sale based on want, not need. Something that Apple is *very* good at doing.
You are usually sharper than this.

Now over the last two months I've gotten very interested in this topic.
This is pretty much the first time I've seen you weigh in, and it seems to be without
any sense of the history. I'd suggest you read up for next time.
It's all been done and it isn't worth repeating. But I will give you a few highlights.

For example, the "all your stuff was made in China so it excuses Apple" argument
was made by one Apple Cultist to such a strange extreme but was demolished
more than a month ago. I'd suggest you look it up. The short of it is that my
underwear is made in Pakistan but I looked just for you. At its core, it is
merely a pathetic dodge that claims that nobody needs accept culpability nor
can anyone point out the problem because "we're all guilty." Pure BS.

The "why poor Apple when everybody does it" question was adequately
answered by the history of the boycotts of Nike over its sweatshops.
People don't seem to understand the need for action when it comes to
concepts, but when given a name they get the point. That media lesson
has been around lately, perhaps you've seen it? Course the main proponent was
walking around naked in San Diego recently but hey his point was sound...

The "effectiveness of legislation" was AMPLY answered by the various trips taken
by congressmen back in the 90's as they went to the Marianas to play golf
on a corporate funded fact finding trip, errr, I mean to inspect improving
labor conditions at the sweatshops. It wasn't "LEGISLATION"
that got any action, it was BOYCOTT and worries about REPUTATION. You know,
market pressure. Apple, or at least its vocal consumers, are VERY worried about their
megacorporation's image. They respond pretty actively and that makes
this the best button to press to effect change. Legislation had its chance
and it had the RESPONSIBILITY but it failed. It failed on South Africa as well.
I would have expected you to be familiar with both, but apparently not.

The sociopathic behavior of Apple executives is on display in several threads, one
trying to blame their addiction to "cheap labor" on an unmotivated, unskilled US
workforce and another showing just how much Steve Jobs actually cares about
seeing his country of origin improve. He had no desire to donate to society
"like a liberal" (pretty much exact quote, btw) but sees his only contribution
as "making products you want to buy." I'm still trying to work out how that's
any different than Chevron or BP or Halliburton for example,
but supposedly according to his disciples there is some enlightenment in there.
Some megacorporations are more equal than others and all that. Look,
I remember that even Henry Ford had the PR skills to add that
his duties included paying his employees enough so they could afford his product.
Seriously, you should read up a bit more -- you've missed a fine old discussion.

The sociopathic behavior of Apple cultists are also amply displayed in these
previous threads as sycophantic posts bragging about Apple sales and profits
are myriad. Something is just not right about that much cheerleading, especially
on this site but I think it's just the result of consumer psyops. What I see is
the realization of an old tech joke from the '90s that started -- the only thing
worse than Bill Gates winning was Steve Jobs winning... Apple is ACTUALLY ENGAGING
in market behaviors that only the most insanely paranoid ever ascribed to the "evil
empire" back durings its heydey. It sucks to actually see these things happen but
it does make it clear that while the Evil Empire is dying, it's successor is moving
along quite nicely with an active cheerleader squad here.

I know the hype is supposed to make you believe that Apple is the little, smart guy
in the technology field but you can't simultaneously believe that and brag about
sales and profits and market dominance. As the tech field goes, it is driven by APPLE
and a handful of other companies who will change course to follow the industry
leader. My target is well selected and your "strategy" is naive and already behind
the times.

So, please don't lecture me on who is missing the "BIG PICTURE." You have
no sense of the history here of the discussion apparently, and you have brought
no new ideas.

Including your high dudgeon that someone dare place Apple's name on this mess.
A sidebar here: I've noticed that the cries of "hate" are like low fuel indicator
light coming on in the car. You're out of
arguments at this point, but something inside you is angry, simply angry, that
sometime dares associate Apple by name with this problem. It is a common usage,
derived from "haters gotta hate." I have repeatedly articulated the reasons for
my "hate" above. The usual reply? Silence or accusations of being a "hater." Pardon
me if I am not impressed by your adoption of the words of the others who have went
away without making a valid counterargument. It says our exchange is probably at
and end even as it just got started.

And why can't I shake the impression that despite your impassioned words, it's really just
the association of Apple by name with the problems that has you angry.

Have you been watching too much advertising lately?

Do you like your new little i-Product?