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JoePhilly

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68. You can't just average every American's view (or set of views), and then declare America ...

Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:21 PM

Feb 2014

... center right, center left, or anything else.

You are not working with a normal distribution. What you have is more like a bi-modal distribution.

Two distinct populations that have their own distribution. When you try to average these 2 groups, what you get as an "average" does not effectively describe the total data set.

Finally, if you don't want Hillary to be President ... you'll need an effective primary candidate.

Complaining endlessly about Hillary won't magically cause that better candidate to appear.

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How you know America is not a center-right country, far to the left of Hillary: [View all] grahamhgreen Feb 2014 OP

Oh really...Far to the left? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #1

Where does she stand on the above mentioned issues? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #4

Wait for the crickets Armstead Feb 2014 #13

crickets? I was asleep...I live on the East Coast...damn! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #66

So do I...but sometimes I have insomnia Armstead Feb 2014 #67

Well I didn't happen to have it last night... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #70

For or against the above? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #127

One issue is myopic....but she is Hardcore Liberal according to "On The Issues" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #129

I just want to know her stance on the above... and I really hate the libertarians little ruse of a grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #131

On the issues is Libertarian now? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #133

Is that little graph from 'on the issues'? I believe it was developed by the Libertarians as a grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #136

that is a really pathetic attempt dude... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #138

Not an attempt, a question. Would have liked an answer... grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #141

What question..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #142

Is that little graph from 'on the issues'? Where did it come from? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #145

Yes it is... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #146

Authoritarian Purist Reply - "...they're not real democrats dammit!!..." uponit7771 Feb 2014 #12

I am not a purist of any stripe...nor am I Authoritarian...nor am I deeming others not "Liberal" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #72

The democratic party is not a left party, except in comparison to the republicans Scootaloo Feb 2014 #25

No she hasn't said she would run yet...that is a Damn Lie! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #73

Thought she had. My bad, then! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #82

screws your whole premise doesn't it? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #84

Why do Democrats support her? Because they don't know what she is about. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #36

Perhaps it is YOU that doesn't and they do... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #74

Because they're believing the hype that only she can win. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #40

hype? When she has the STRONGEST lead this far out ever recorded? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #75

They all just want Bill back in the White House. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #87

Oh yeah...that makes perfect sense...Right... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #89

Her ONLY support is from the party faithful and the 1%. Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #41

Her "only" support is 73% of the Party ALREADY!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #76

"of the party." Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #128

Hardcore Liberal...how are they "far to the left" of her? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #130

Name recognition. After being Gore's running mate, Lieberdweeb led the field tblue37 Feb 2014 #51

yeah whatever gets you through the night... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #77

Agreed, there is part of the left that simply refuses to recognize treestar Feb 2014 #53

And I keep trying to point that out to them... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #78

A lot of people are further left than they realize. Their positions on tblue37 Feb 2014 #99

and Hillary is more Left than many give her credit for... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #132

Deep in the subconscious of America Steerpike Feb 2014 #143

Actually Hillary is a Hardcore Liberal... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #144

Everything you say is true. There is no doubt the country is to the left of Clinton/Obama and 90% BlueStreak Feb 2014 #2

Let her win a hotly contested primary then dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #9

OK. Then who will it be? BlueStreak Feb 2014 #19

Feinstein. Sanders. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #22

Diane Feinstein? She makes Hillary look like Noam Chomshy. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #24

+1 (n/t) Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2014 #27

DINO DiFi? Not to mention, she's 80 years old NOW. truebluegreen Feb 2014 #37

Oops!!! Feingold, lol! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #56

That's better. :) BlueStreak Feb 2014 #59

That is what Sanders seems to have in mind. nt tblue37 Feb 2014 #100

okay....bring it! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #81

It's on! Woohoo! If not Russ, Bernie has said he will run just to get our issues out front and grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #93

First you have to convince them to oppose her..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #94

We have to convince her that her policy positions can easily cost her the election.... grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #149

No we don't... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #150

OMG. That chart is libertarian BS! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #152

Bullshit! Its a Non profit non partisan out of Cambridge... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #154

Oh, good. Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #148

I am not convinced... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #155

Just two months ago dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #28

I welcome a progressive challenger. There aren't any. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #39

OMG, that's what I heard about Obama, lol!!! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #108

Obama came out of th epack and shot to the front. There is no pack this time. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #118

I was impressed with Bill De Blasio on The Daily Show. Maedhros Feb 2014 #137

Warren has only 8% in that poll.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #83

hahahahahaha...Okay.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #80

Sotomayor? Kagan? DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #92

More conservative than the justices they replaced - eom dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #147

"Obviously" no they are not...73% belies your position on this... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #79

Personalities versus policies BlueStreak Feb 2014 #90

But we don't go to the voting booth to vote on individual issues.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #95

The point is that says nothing about where the public is vis-a-vis Hillary's opolicy positions. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #116

Not necessarily true.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #121

I don't know about the chart BlueStreak Feb 2014 #139

I DO know about the chart and THAT is the overall score...go read it yourself. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #140

She stands for winning and power, and whatever means will bring those to her, she unflinchingly Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #3

She is also a hardcore Liberal according to "On the issues... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #123

Both Bill and Hill are charming. Both are getting richer and richer because corps rhett o rick Feb 2014 #5

The inbreeding and corruption among the elites is sickening Armstead Feb 2014 #15

Disgusting isn't it warrant46 Feb 2014 #42

I agree, but she's running (?) for Democratic candidate, not Moderate Socialist candidate. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #6

Most of those positions are held by the majority of all Americans. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #10

Whats wrong with moderate socialist? Armstead Feb 2014 #16

Hell, I'll take Liberal LBJ Candidate. So what happened to Warren? Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #44

what happened? She's only polling 8% VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #153

EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #156

A few more items to add to this list... cascadiance Feb 2014 #7

Good additions! Can we please hear her positions on these from supporters (chirp, chirp, chirp...) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #11

Well she definitely is on the wrong side of item three on my list... cascadiance Feb 2014 #18

All higher education should be free. Funny how she's asking for more visas while grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #21

Why....you can see her positions right here... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #157

I agree with all of those. That is a good list. RC Feb 2014 #8

nice logo dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #31

Thank you. RC Feb 2014 #45

beholden to Wall Street and BIG banks and not us little people. warrant46 Feb 2014 #43

Oh really....a Liberal.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #158

Fail AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #14

Can you enlighten us as to her stance on some if these issues? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #23

Fail AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #26

True failure is grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #30

Read your thread title AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #33

C'mon now, what are her policy positions:) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #57

Why don't you tell us AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #58

LOL;) Is she for or against cutting social security? (ie Chained CPI) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #60

Chained CPI is Obama's baby AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #62

Is she for or against it? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #65

She hasn't made any statements on it AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #69

Why are you unwilling to defend her? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #102

Why would I defend her? AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #160

Well, at least we KNOW she will protect the top 6%. bvar22 Feb 2014 #110

Considering your sig line dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #32

And what AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #34

What's wrong with the thread title? Looks good to me. dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #35

I think "aging" is just trying to divert the argument away from fact based discussion. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #103

How about Jobs... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #159

K&R Scuba Feb 2014 #17

Kill the TPP??? She played a leading part in drafting it! antigop Feb 2014 #20

This. Earth_First Feb 2014 #48

Other than a "real" gay, fadedrose Feb 2014 #29

If America is "center-right" and America's far to the LEFT of Hillary, then she's far right. pnwmom Feb 2014 #38

I call them over the edge reactionary radical regressives and delusional Birch Society holdovers. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #46

I would call her advocating for war with Syria a far right position, correct? Can grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #107

If this is true...Bernie Sanders should have no problem winning the Presidency. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #47

I think he would win. Even folks that voted for Bush voted for Bernie!!! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #109

Go left, yes, but it will never be, not under plutocrat rule, never. K & R for truth, enough of mother earth Feb 2014 #49

Tisk tisk. The worshippers are only conserned with voting for who can win, not who is good for us. L0oniX Feb 2014 #50

They aren't good for us if they can't win. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #64

"only conserned with voting for who can win" bvar22 Feb 2014 #112

So uhm ...is that what they call the "money shot"? L0oniX Feb 2014 #113

Bob Shrum was on Ed Schultz last week, bvar22 Feb 2014 #117

They should have to wear a logo for each of their corporate sponsors just like a race car driver. L0oniX Feb 2014 #135

Or perhaps we need leaders who can succeed in intermediate steps... Orsino Feb 2014 #52

How's that working for Obama? We need a populist that can rally the people, IMHO. The grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #63

It's working very well for the president... Orsino Feb 2014 #71

We may have to call off the coronation Proud Public Servant Feb 2014 #54

Hillary has been tireless on women's rights - TBF Feb 2014 #55

Well, I'd like to see someone to the left of Hillary win in the primaries. If not that, at least get grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #61

she is not. Whisp Feb 2014 #86

She's a hawk. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #88

What is a moderate on economic issues mean? Do you consider NAFTA and the TPP as moderate? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #91

"Moderate" may be too kind - TBF Feb 2014 #106

You can't just average every American's view (or set of views), and then declare America ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #68

Exactly. great white snark Feb 2014 #96

I'm trying to find out policy positions, not insult you:) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #101

Bernie has said he will run if no effective progressive emerges. Further, they do it all the time, grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #98

Again, the average of "most" Americans does not accurately reflect America. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #105

Interestingly, Bernie is also very popular with the republicans of Vermont and NH, because he grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #111

It's pretty simple to find position policies. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #85

A simple for or against the above positions is what I'm looking for. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #97

Dems Phlem Feb 2014 #104

Obama didn't support gay marriage when he won Exciting Trip Feb 2014 #114

He didn't support gays in the military either. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #126

I can understand why fiscal conservatives and Reagan Democrats would support Hillary, bvar22 Feb 2014 #115

How do I know America is NOT a Center-Right Nation? bvar22 Feb 2014 #119

+1 grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #125

You must think that the next president is going to get a more receptive Congress Beacool Feb 2014 #120

Is that all you want? Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #122

Hey, just give me three so I won't feel like a total choade when I have to vote for her, lol! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #124

Agree. It is not a matter of "getting all of these". bvar22 Feb 2014 #134

Her term will be a continuation of Obama's Doctor_J Feb 2014 #151