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43. I believe the point of that OP was the fallacy of linking two unrelated things that you find vile.

Wed Feb 5, 2014, 02:49 PM

Feb 2014

Homosexuality was mentioned because that's something that WAS actually linked with child molestation in people's minds for a long time. There was no evidence to support it, just people's ideas that they were both deviant, perverted behavior so they probably went together.

I do think some people here are doing the same thing with regard to the fact of Allen dating much younger women. People find it creepy so they decide it's not a great leap to think he could be a pedophile. But there is no link I've ever heard of between an older man dating younger women and a man being attracted to prepubescent children. It was an analogy, it wasn't calling anyone here a homophobe.

Here's another analogy: I think many of the things George W. Bush did were immoral but I would never argue that his willingness to lie to get this country into a war means that he probably molests children. There's just no connection.

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What's really relevant in the Dylan Farrow molestation case [View all] BainsBane Feb 2014 OP

There is no "case" frazzled Feb 2014 #1

Not exactly true. The prosecutor said he had enough evidence to bring to a trial, but he had decided pnwmom Feb 2014 #2

And progressives should not support that type of conduct. Nine Feb 2014 #3

I'm someone who thinks Dylan's statement is very credible. pnwmom Feb 2014 #4

That's just expert-shopping. Nine Feb 2014 #10

The judge did criticize the child abuse investigation kcr Feb 2014 #6

+1 El_Johns Feb 2014 #23

or one can suggest progressives not accept the grown man putting his head in a girls lap..... seabeyond Feb 2014 #26

"The prosecutor made a public announcement that basically said Woody Allen was guilty, we have El_Johns Feb 2014 #29

there were witness. but you refuse to acknowledge that to ignore the tells. seabeyond Feb 2014 #31

Then they should have gone to trial. El_Johns Feb 2014 #32

that is not our reality we live. and still, i refuse to be part of the problem enabling seabeyond Feb 2014 #34

There was *a* witness, who happened to be the babysitter of Mia's childhood friend Casey El_Johns Feb 2014 #66

and that alone is enough for no man to be around my child. simple enough seabeyond Feb 2014 #92

Prosecutors ALWAYS think they have enough. I would never trust a thing a prosecutor says. morningfog Feb 2014 #5

Not that a prosecutor's decision is an indicator of guilt kcr Feb 2014 #7

Absolutely. And I think that is what happened here. morningfog Feb 2014 #8

Are you kidding? BainsBane Feb 2014 #13

And the Yale team concluded that she hadn't been abused. cali Feb 2014 #9

The Yale team was on Allen's payroll BainsBane Feb 2014 #11

Nonsense. The prosecution selected them. Nine Feb 2014 #14

That's not what the article says. BainsBane Feb 2014 #15

No it doesn't. Nine Feb 2014 #16

we wont know, because they got rid of notes that no doctor would get rid of. ignore the tells..... seabeyond Feb 2014 #27

I don't know that no doctor would do that. Nine Feb 2014 #41

and they got rid of their notes. you live in this world, and i am sure experience it. no, doctors seabeyond Feb 2014 #42

Notes, drafts, etc. crappyjazz Feb 2014 #61

This person IS an expert, and she said that they should have kept the notes. pnwmom Feb 2014 #63

I need more than that. Nine Feb 2014 #64

And Dylan's personal therapist since preschool said she didn't think the kid had been molested. El_Johns Feb 2014 #82

The one Woody had been paying for since Dylan was in preschool? pnwmom Feb 2014 #83

If Allen paid, how did Farrow fire? El_Johns Feb 2014 #84

Mia had custody. That gave her the right to fire, assuming you have some link to that statement. pnwmom Feb 2014 #86

Link to that claim, please. El_Johns Feb 2014 #87

I just added it to that post. pnwmom Feb 2014 #88

Quoting from your link: El_Johns Feb 2014 #89

I don't know what you're getting at. The point is that he had the home study of Ronan and Dylan pnwmom Feb 2014 #90

If the children were legally Farrow's, the home study could not have been waived without El_Johns Feb 2014 #91

How many times do I have to say that I blame Mia, too, for allowing his inappropriate behaviors pnwmom Feb 2014 #98

The prosecution selected them but Yale chose to include psychologists on Woody's payroll pnwmom Feb 2014 #62

No, Yale chose to INTERVIEW Woody's psychologists. Big difference. And the team that the MD El_Johns Feb 2014 #68

Why did they interview Dylan so many times? Were they trying to wear her down? pnwmom Feb 2014 #70

I have no idea, and neither do you. What I do know is that every time I bat down one of your El_Johns Feb 2014 #72

I said no Yale MD interviewed her, and that is perfectly true. The physician wrote the report pnwmom Feb 2014 #74

That was about your sixth change of story. El_Johns Feb 2014 #77

no. you did not "bat down" any of the argument nor was the story changed, but progressed seabeyond Feb 2014 #93

They were chosen, hired and paid for by the state of Connecticut. And were probably the only El_Johns Feb 2014 #30

who got rid of notes, notes that NO doctor would get rid of. why do you ignore the obvious seabeyond Feb 2014 #37

They were hired & paid by the state of Connecticut, not Allen. El_Johns Feb 2014 #65

Re-traumatization is an issue Gothmog Feb 2014 #57

But they don't mind trying it in the media, both in 1992-93 and 20 years later. El_Johns Feb 2014 #85

it was on woodys shoulders in the 90's. which i am sure you are well aware of. he was accused, seabeyond Feb 2014 #94

A statement for which he was publicly reprimanded... SteveABG Feb 2014 #76

Case need not mean a legal proceeding BainsBane Feb 2014 #12

wow, semantic dodges now? TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #17

About the custody issue, and how "worthy" the charges were: redqueen Feb 2014 #18

I have no doubt the prosecutor, Maco, thought Allen was guilty. Nine Feb 2014 #19

Many cases are left alone because of lack of evidence, not because they think the perp is innocent. redqueen Feb 2014 #21

Satchel refers to diplomat and MSNBC personality Ronan Farrow. alp227 Feb 2014 #44

for me what is really relevant are all the tells he is a molestor and so many ignore.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #20

Wow. People are resorting to conflating homosexuality with pedophilia? redqueen Feb 2014 #22

homophobia with those that call out perversion. the raw truth of what is being said seabeyond Feb 2014 #24

it's a hateful variant on the "pearl clutching" theme. apparently a LT partner can do any bettyellen Feb 2014 #25

yes. it is clear. the angle of flat out calling us prudes seabeyond Feb 2014 #28

The OP was such a vile POS, the poster claimed he wasn't even making the anaology to homophobia when bettyellen Feb 2014 #35

yes. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #38

I believe the point of that OP was the fallacy of linking two unrelated things that you find vile. Nine Feb 2014 #43

Do DUers have a habit of going around and making accusations against everyone who dates younger? kcr Feb 2014 #45

Ironic, since Allen's defedners raise all kinds of unrelated things BainsBane Feb 2014 #47

Did you think that everyone who molests a child fits the boiler plate definition of a pedo? bettyellen Feb 2014 #48

There is no correlation between dating younger woman and molesting prepubescent girls. Nine Feb 2014 #53

The problem is, he didn't just date a younger woman. Just a random younger woman he happened to meet kcr Feb 2014 #54

they are framing this as if Dylan's letter does not exist, that there is no context of deep betrayal bettyellen Feb 2014 #56

again, you write as if it is one random teenager. Unfortunately for Woody, people are looking at bettyellen Feb 2014 #55

He didn't "fuck" her, that's for sure. There was no evidence of rape, penetration or molestation. El_Johns Feb 2014 #33

He did betray his LT partner by fucking HER daughter, Soon Yi- Dylan was THEIR daughter, and I know bettyellen Feb 2014 #39

"molestation" yes. there was. yet. you find it amusing? nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #40

Not only did he do so, but they've been married for years. kcr Feb 2014 #49

I didn't see that OP BainsBane Feb 2014 #36

If you think Woody Allen is guilty then you're just like people who think gay people are pedophiles kcr Feb 2014 #46

Was that a thread BainsBane Feb 2014 #50

I don't know kcr Feb 2014 #51

Wow, such desperation. redqueen Feb 2014 #52

Here is another legal reason to believe Dylan's testimony Gothmog Feb 2014 #58

Also, if as people claim, the prosecutors decided Mia had coached Dylan BainsBane Feb 2014 #59

Agreed Gothmog Feb 2014 #60

It didn't. He got visitation with Satchel/Ronan, and that was his only biological child. Though El_Johns Feb 2014 #67

He sued for custody of all of his children BainsBane Feb 2014 #69

Again, you make a false statement, and when shown it's false you change the subject. El_Johns Feb 2014 #75

I did not change the subject BainsBane Feb 2014 #79

Like wrestling with eels. You say "It's about one thing" and then you bring in 1000 irrelevant El_Johns Feb 2014 #80

like dismissing, ignoring, derailing the realities of abuse. seabeyond Feb 2014 #97

woody wanted custody of dylan. not only denied that, denied visitation. not only denied visitation seabeyond Feb 2014 #96

If Allen doesn't sue someone he believes was psychologically abused by her mom, he must be guilty? Democat Feb 2014 #71

Yeah, if he sues his daughter, he is a scumbag and Bonobo Feb 2014 #73

The other good one is that Farrow wouldn't bring the case to trial because it would damage El_Johns Feb 2014 #81

Dating a girl who does homework. Loudly Feb 2014 #78

personally, i think what is truly relevant is he was found guilty by the court. they did not go to seabeyond Feb 2014 #95