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hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 02:17 PM Feb 2014

Before giving Woody Allen a pass for dating an "older" teen/ young adult, read this: [View all]

" The Chicago study also found that of the 2,200 priests, just one was a pedophile. Now, many people are confused about the distinction between a pedophile and a person guilty of sex with a minor. The difference is very significant. The phrase "pedophile priests" conjures up images of the worst violation of innocence, callous molesters like Father Porter who assault children 7 years old. "Pedophilia" is a psychiatric term meaning sexual interest in children below the age of puberty.

But the vast majority of clergy misconduct cases are nothing like this. The vast majority of instances involve priests who have been sexually active with a person below the age of sexual consent, often 16 or 17 years old, or even older. An act of this sort is wrong on multiple counts: It is probably criminal, and by common consent it is immoral and sinful; yet it does not have the utterly ruthless, exploitative character of child molestation. In almost all cases too, with the older teen-agers, there is an element of consent.

Also, the definition of "childhood" varies enormously between different societies. If an act of this sort occurred in most European countries, it would probably be legal, since the age of consent for boys is usually around 15. To take a specific example, when newspapers review recent cases of "pedophile priests," they commonly cite a case that occurred in California's Orange County, when a priest was charged with having consensual sex with a 17-year-old boy. Whatever the moral quality of such an act, most of us would not apply the term "child abuse" or "pedophilia." For this reason alone, we need to be cautious when we read about scores of priests being "accused of child abuse."

http://old.post-gazette.com/forum/comm/20020303edjenk03p6.asp

Roberts: Bill is good but you cannot link homosexuality to a pedophilia crisis in the Catholic Church.

Bill Donohue: It’s not a pedophilia… most of the victims were post pubescent…

Roberts: You know…

Donohue: You’ve got to get your facts straight. I’m sorry. If I’m the only one that’s going to deal with facts tonight so be it. The vast majority of the victims are post pubescent. That’s not pedophilia buddy. That’s homosexuality.

http://crooksandliars.com/heather/bill-donohue-child-molesting-priests-weren



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This OP is incoherent and horrifying cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #1
Wow. BainsBane Feb 2014 #5
You have completely misread the OP. What she is saying is that people pnwmom Feb 2014 #19
Link to list of priests tried for consensual relations with 19 year olds? cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #21
Link to priests guilty of incest? pnwmom Feb 2014 #22
I thought Soon-Yi's adopted father was another guy, not Allen arcane1 Feb 2014 #27
From Ronan's perspective, his father was having sex with his sister. pnwmom Feb 2014 #28
Ah, got it. Thanks! arcane1 Feb 2014 #30
when a man is with a woman fro a decade and adopts three children with her and is father, seabeyond Feb 2014 #29
Mia, Woody and Soon-Yi have all said that he was not a father figure. tammywammy Feb 2014 #32
i can get that and still, he is not outside of that role. seabeyond Feb 2014 #35
Maybe this is my youth showing... DemocraticWing Feb 2014 #2
True, but what most won't do kcr Feb 2014 #3
Who do you see here defending Catholic priests who have sex with people in their late teens? n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #20
Alrighy then, maybe the solution is to raise the age of consent to 25 quinnox Feb 2014 #4
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what is so funny BainsBane Feb 2014 #7
You will be waiting for a very long time then. That's the thing with humor, its impossible to quinnox Feb 2014 #8
Perhaps you can tell me why you find it funny BainsBane Feb 2014 #10
Its impossible to explain it quinnox Feb 2014 #11
If I don't think child rape is hysterical that means I have no sense of humor? BainsBane Feb 2014 #12
I think you need a new schtick quinnox Feb 2014 #14
Okay. Tell me then BainsBane Feb 2014 #16
ya. how come? nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #18
Incorrect. Captain Stern Feb 2014 #39
I have heard tht about lyching black jokes, bashing gay jokes, rape jokes- the highbrow defense bettyellen Feb 2014 #15
actually, the comedian MEANS to be offensive and expects fools to laugh, knowing it is offensive seabeyond Feb 2014 #23
yeah, it's more "tough shit Liberal!" crap from the libertarians here. bettyellen Feb 2014 #24
I've seen this tactic used with racist, homophobic, and other types of 'humor'. redqueen Feb 2014 #13
People have some strange interpetations of this OP BainsBane Feb 2014 #6
You got it - we all need to be careful not to excuse or accuse based hedgehog Feb 2014 #17
This is the crux of my problem with this discussion. There is an assumption that Squinch Feb 2014 #31
There are in fact two discussions entwined - whether or not the act happened, hedgehog Feb 2014 #33
I actually don't believe there is any way to know whether the act happened. Squinch Feb 2014 #37
I actually think the priests are an exception BainsBane Feb 2014 #34
Don't get me wrong on this. Squinch Feb 2014 #38
correct; i've know older men who preferred younger/powerless females; they had some serious TheFrenchRazor Feb 2014 #36
Nothing is proven at face value. I would expect you to agree with that sentiment. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #41
Read this BainsBane Feb 2014 #42
That changes my opinion of the situation quite a bit. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #43
It seems clear the public has been fed a bill of goods from Woody's publicity machine BainsBane Feb 2014 #44
I wonder if there were no laws about age of consent Whisp Feb 2014 #9
there would be very varied opinions on it, depending on what people personally wanted. bettyellen Feb 2014 #25
i ahve been told, specifically du2 in a thread about a 12 yr old stripper in dallas, that once hit seabeyond Feb 2014 #26
Interesting how... RichGirl Feb 2014 #40
I've trashed about 50 of these threads, but let me ask a question, here. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #45
I think you raise an entirely different issue worthy of its own thread - hedgehog Feb 2014 #46
Thank you very much for the answer. So if I understand, the issue is the issue, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #48
Trash Bin nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #47
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