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BainsBane

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47. Ironic, since Allen's defedners raise all kinds of unrelated things

Wed Feb 5, 2014, 03:26 PM

Feb 2014

about Mia Farrow, thinking if they can trash her enough it will discredit Dylan. They even talk about rumors of her infidelity with Frank Sinatra. So taking nude pictures and having a secret affair with the teenage daughter of one's partner and sister of one's children is not related, but unsubstantiated rumors that Mia might have had an affair are.

Allen dated a girl he watched grow up, the sister of his children. That signals a serious and pathological issue with boundaries. It is not evidence for a criminal conviction, but it does point to his character, as does his joke about being in a "love nest with 12 year olds." Who even thinks to joke about something like that? This isn't a court of law. We are allowed to draw conclusions based on what we know in the press. The idea of taking up in defense of a creature like that is repulsive to me.

I have no problem passing moral judgments. Politics and life are a serious of choices, and they do involve right and wrong. What Allen did with Soon-Yi was repulsive, and was enough to put me off his films for good. I did not know if the child abuse allegations were true. This week when I read Dylan's account, however, I decided they likely were. She seemed quite credible to me. I have no reason to believe Allen over her.

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What's really relevant in the Dylan Farrow molestation case [View all] BainsBane Feb 2014 OP

There is no "case" frazzled Feb 2014 #1

Not exactly true. The prosecutor said he had enough evidence to bring to a trial, but he had decided pnwmom Feb 2014 #2

And progressives should not support that type of conduct. Nine Feb 2014 #3

I'm someone who thinks Dylan's statement is very credible. pnwmom Feb 2014 #4

That's just expert-shopping. Nine Feb 2014 #10

The judge did criticize the child abuse investigation kcr Feb 2014 #6

+1 El_Johns Feb 2014 #23

or one can suggest progressives not accept the grown man putting his head in a girls lap..... seabeyond Feb 2014 #26

"The prosecutor made a public announcement that basically said Woody Allen was guilty, we have El_Johns Feb 2014 #29

there were witness. but you refuse to acknowledge that to ignore the tells. seabeyond Feb 2014 #31

Then they should have gone to trial. El_Johns Feb 2014 #32

that is not our reality we live. and still, i refuse to be part of the problem enabling seabeyond Feb 2014 #34

There was *a* witness, who happened to be the babysitter of Mia's childhood friend Casey El_Johns Feb 2014 #66

and that alone is enough for no man to be around my child. simple enough seabeyond Feb 2014 #92

Prosecutors ALWAYS think they have enough. I would never trust a thing a prosecutor says. morningfog Feb 2014 #5

Not that a prosecutor's decision is an indicator of guilt kcr Feb 2014 #7

Absolutely. And I think that is what happened here. morningfog Feb 2014 #8

Are you kidding? BainsBane Feb 2014 #13

And the Yale team concluded that she hadn't been abused. cali Feb 2014 #9

The Yale team was on Allen's payroll BainsBane Feb 2014 #11

Nonsense. The prosecution selected them. Nine Feb 2014 #14

That's not what the article says. BainsBane Feb 2014 #15

No it doesn't. Nine Feb 2014 #16

we wont know, because they got rid of notes that no doctor would get rid of. ignore the tells..... seabeyond Feb 2014 #27

I don't know that no doctor would do that. Nine Feb 2014 #41

and they got rid of their notes. you live in this world, and i am sure experience it. no, doctors seabeyond Feb 2014 #42

Notes, drafts, etc. crappyjazz Feb 2014 #61

This person IS an expert, and she said that they should have kept the notes. pnwmom Feb 2014 #63

I need more than that. Nine Feb 2014 #64

And Dylan's personal therapist since preschool said she didn't think the kid had been molested. El_Johns Feb 2014 #82

The one Woody had been paying for since Dylan was in preschool? pnwmom Feb 2014 #83

If Allen paid, how did Farrow fire? El_Johns Feb 2014 #84

Mia had custody. That gave her the right to fire, assuming you have some link to that statement. pnwmom Feb 2014 #86

Link to that claim, please. El_Johns Feb 2014 #87

I just added it to that post. pnwmom Feb 2014 #88

Quoting from your link: El_Johns Feb 2014 #89

I don't know what you're getting at. The point is that he had the home study of Ronan and Dylan pnwmom Feb 2014 #90

If the children were legally Farrow's, the home study could not have been waived without El_Johns Feb 2014 #91

How many times do I have to say that I blame Mia, too, for allowing his inappropriate behaviors pnwmom Feb 2014 #98

The prosecution selected them but Yale chose to include psychologists on Woody's payroll pnwmom Feb 2014 #62

No, Yale chose to INTERVIEW Woody's psychologists. Big difference. And the team that the MD El_Johns Feb 2014 #68

Why did they interview Dylan so many times? Were they trying to wear her down? pnwmom Feb 2014 #70

I have no idea, and neither do you. What I do know is that every time I bat down one of your El_Johns Feb 2014 #72

I said no Yale MD interviewed her, and that is perfectly true. The physician wrote the report pnwmom Feb 2014 #74

That was about your sixth change of story. El_Johns Feb 2014 #77

no. you did not "bat down" any of the argument nor was the story changed, but progressed seabeyond Feb 2014 #93

They were chosen, hired and paid for by the state of Connecticut. And were probably the only El_Johns Feb 2014 #30

who got rid of notes, notes that NO doctor would get rid of. why do you ignore the obvious seabeyond Feb 2014 #37

They were hired & paid by the state of Connecticut, not Allen. El_Johns Feb 2014 #65

Re-traumatization is an issue Gothmog Feb 2014 #57

But they don't mind trying it in the media, both in 1992-93 and 20 years later. El_Johns Feb 2014 #85

it was on woodys shoulders in the 90's. which i am sure you are well aware of. he was accused, seabeyond Feb 2014 #94

A statement for which he was publicly reprimanded... SteveABG Feb 2014 #76

Case need not mean a legal proceeding BainsBane Feb 2014 #12

wow, semantic dodges now? TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #17

About the custody issue, and how "worthy" the charges were: redqueen Feb 2014 #18

I have no doubt the prosecutor, Maco, thought Allen was guilty. Nine Feb 2014 #19

Many cases are left alone because of lack of evidence, not because they think the perp is innocent. redqueen Feb 2014 #21

Satchel refers to diplomat and MSNBC personality Ronan Farrow. alp227 Feb 2014 #44

for me what is really relevant are all the tells he is a molestor and so many ignore.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #20

Wow. People are resorting to conflating homosexuality with pedophilia? redqueen Feb 2014 #22

homophobia with those that call out perversion. the raw truth of what is being said seabeyond Feb 2014 #24

it's a hateful variant on the "pearl clutching" theme. apparently a LT partner can do any bettyellen Feb 2014 #25

yes. it is clear. the angle of flat out calling us prudes seabeyond Feb 2014 #28

The OP was such a vile POS, the poster claimed he wasn't even making the anaology to homophobia when bettyellen Feb 2014 #35

yes. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #38

I believe the point of that OP was the fallacy of linking two unrelated things that you find vile. Nine Feb 2014 #43

Do DUers have a habit of going around and making accusations against everyone who dates younger? kcr Feb 2014 #45

Ironic, since Allen's defedners raise all kinds of unrelated things BainsBane Feb 2014 #47

Did you think that everyone who molests a child fits the boiler plate definition of a pedo? bettyellen Feb 2014 #48

There is no correlation between dating younger woman and molesting prepubescent girls. Nine Feb 2014 #53

The problem is, he didn't just date a younger woman. Just a random younger woman he happened to meet kcr Feb 2014 #54

they are framing this as if Dylan's letter does not exist, that there is no context of deep betrayal bettyellen Feb 2014 #56

again, you write as if it is one random teenager. Unfortunately for Woody, people are looking at bettyellen Feb 2014 #55

He didn't "fuck" her, that's for sure. There was no evidence of rape, penetration or molestation. El_Johns Feb 2014 #33

He did betray his LT partner by fucking HER daughter, Soon Yi- Dylan was THEIR daughter, and I know bettyellen Feb 2014 #39

"molestation" yes. there was. yet. you find it amusing? nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #40

Not only did he do so, but they've been married for years. kcr Feb 2014 #49

I didn't see that OP BainsBane Feb 2014 #36

If you think Woody Allen is guilty then you're just like people who think gay people are pedophiles kcr Feb 2014 #46

Was that a thread BainsBane Feb 2014 #50

I don't know kcr Feb 2014 #51

Wow, such desperation. redqueen Feb 2014 #52

Here is another legal reason to believe Dylan's testimony Gothmog Feb 2014 #58

Also, if as people claim, the prosecutors decided Mia had coached Dylan BainsBane Feb 2014 #59

Agreed Gothmog Feb 2014 #60

It didn't. He got visitation with Satchel/Ronan, and that was his only biological child. Though El_Johns Feb 2014 #67

He sued for custody of all of his children BainsBane Feb 2014 #69

Again, you make a false statement, and when shown it's false you change the subject. El_Johns Feb 2014 #75

I did not change the subject BainsBane Feb 2014 #79

Like wrestling with eels. You say "It's about one thing" and then you bring in 1000 irrelevant El_Johns Feb 2014 #80

like dismissing, ignoring, derailing the realities of abuse. seabeyond Feb 2014 #97

woody wanted custody of dylan. not only denied that, denied visitation. not only denied visitation seabeyond Feb 2014 #96

If Allen doesn't sue someone he believes was psychologically abused by her mom, he must be guilty? Democat Feb 2014 #71

Yeah, if he sues his daughter, he is a scumbag and Bonobo Feb 2014 #73

The other good one is that Farrow wouldn't bring the case to trial because it would damage El_Johns Feb 2014 #81

Dating a girl who does homework. Loudly Feb 2014 #78

personally, i think what is truly relevant is he was found guilty by the court. they did not go to seabeyond Feb 2014 #95