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119. How do I know America is NOT a Center-Right Nation?

Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:13 PM

Feb 2014

Because in 2008,
Candidate Obama ran as a Left of Center Populist,
and WON BIG.

*Re-negotiate NAFTA,

*Make EFCA the Law of the Land

*Walk the Line with Organized LABOR

*Raise Taxes on the RICH

*Raise-the-Cap on FICA deductions to protect Social Security

*Absolutely NO CUTS or COLA adjustments to SS to lower benefits

*A Public Option for Health Insurance

*Label our food with GMO warnings and Country of Origin ID

*Hold Bankers accountable

---an indisputably Populist platform, half way back to FDR.
Sadly, that facade was dropped on Day One of his administration.

Candidate Obama distanced himself from Hillary On These Populist Issues,
and [font size=3]WON BIG[/font] on These Populist Issues.

This is HOW I know that the USA is NOT a Center-Right Country.
America IS a Left Leaning Working Class Country that WILL vote for Populist Issues
when given a chance to vote for them.

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How you know America is not a center-right country, far to the left of Hillary: [View all] grahamhgreen Feb 2014 OP

Oh really...Far to the left? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #1

Where does she stand on the above mentioned issues? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #4

Wait for the crickets Armstead Feb 2014 #13

crickets? I was asleep...I live on the East Coast...damn! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #66

So do I...but sometimes I have insomnia Armstead Feb 2014 #67

Well I didn't happen to have it last night... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #70

For or against the above? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #127

One issue is myopic....but she is Hardcore Liberal according to "On The Issues" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #129

I just want to know her stance on the above... and I really hate the libertarians little ruse of a grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #131

On the issues is Libertarian now? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #133

Is that little graph from 'on the issues'? I believe it was developed by the Libertarians as a grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #136

that is a really pathetic attempt dude... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #138

Not an attempt, a question. Would have liked an answer... grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #141

What question..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #142

Is that little graph from 'on the issues'? Where did it come from? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #145

Yes it is... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #146

Authoritarian Purist Reply - "...they're not real democrats dammit!!..." uponit7771 Feb 2014 #12

I am not a purist of any stripe...nor am I Authoritarian...nor am I deeming others not "Liberal" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #72

The democratic party is not a left party, except in comparison to the republicans Scootaloo Feb 2014 #25

No she hasn't said she would run yet...that is a Damn Lie! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #73

Thought she had. My bad, then! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #82

screws your whole premise doesn't it? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #84

Why do Democrats support her? Because they don't know what she is about. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #36

Perhaps it is YOU that doesn't and they do... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #74

Because they're believing the hype that only she can win. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #40

hype? When she has the STRONGEST lead this far out ever recorded? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #75

They all just want Bill back in the White House. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #87

Oh yeah...that makes perfect sense...Right... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #89

Her ONLY support is from the party faithful and the 1%. Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #41

Her "only" support is 73% of the Party ALREADY!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #76

"of the party." Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #128

Hardcore Liberal...how are they "far to the left" of her? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #130

Name recognition. After being Gore's running mate, Lieberdweeb led the field tblue37 Feb 2014 #51

yeah whatever gets you through the night... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #77

Agreed, there is part of the left that simply refuses to recognize treestar Feb 2014 #53

And I keep trying to point that out to them... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #78

A lot of people are further left than they realize. Their positions on tblue37 Feb 2014 #99

and Hillary is more Left than many give her credit for... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #132

Deep in the subconscious of America Steerpike Feb 2014 #143

Actually Hillary is a Hardcore Liberal... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #144

Everything you say is true. There is no doubt the country is to the left of Clinton/Obama and 90% BlueStreak Feb 2014 #2

Let her win a hotly contested primary then dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #9

OK. Then who will it be? BlueStreak Feb 2014 #19

Feinstein. Sanders. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #22

Diane Feinstein? She makes Hillary look like Noam Chomshy. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #24

+1 (n/t) Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2014 #27

DINO DiFi? Not to mention, she's 80 years old NOW. truebluegreen Feb 2014 #37

Oops!!! Feingold, lol! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #56

That's better. :) BlueStreak Feb 2014 #59

That is what Sanders seems to have in mind. nt tblue37 Feb 2014 #100

okay....bring it! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #81

It's on! Woohoo! If not Russ, Bernie has said he will run just to get our issues out front and grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #93

First you have to convince them to oppose her..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #94

We have to convince her that her policy positions can easily cost her the election.... grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #149

No we don't... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #150

OMG. That chart is libertarian BS! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #152

Bullshit! Its a Non profit non partisan out of Cambridge... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #154

Oh, good. Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #148

I am not convinced... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #155

Just two months ago dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #28

I welcome a progressive challenger. There aren't any. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #39

OMG, that's what I heard about Obama, lol!!! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #108

Obama came out of th epack and shot to the front. There is no pack this time. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #118

I was impressed with Bill De Blasio on The Daily Show. Maedhros Feb 2014 #137

Warren has only 8% in that poll.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #83

hahahahahaha...Okay.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #80

Sotomayor? Kagan? DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #92

More conservative than the justices they replaced - eom dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #147

"Obviously" no they are not...73% belies your position on this... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #79

Personalities versus policies BlueStreak Feb 2014 #90

But we don't go to the voting booth to vote on individual issues.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #95

The point is that says nothing about where the public is vis-a-vis Hillary's opolicy positions. BlueStreak Feb 2014 #116

Not necessarily true.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #121

I don't know about the chart BlueStreak Feb 2014 #139

I DO know about the chart and THAT is the overall score...go read it yourself. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #140

She stands for winning and power, and whatever means will bring those to her, she unflinchingly Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #3

She is also a hardcore Liberal according to "On the issues... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #123

Both Bill and Hill are charming. Both are getting richer and richer because corps rhett o rick Feb 2014 #5

The inbreeding and corruption among the elites is sickening Armstead Feb 2014 #15

Disgusting isn't it warrant46 Feb 2014 #42

I agree, but she's running (?) for Democratic candidate, not Moderate Socialist candidate. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #6

Most of those positions are held by the majority of all Americans. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #10

Whats wrong with moderate socialist? Armstead Feb 2014 #16

Hell, I'll take Liberal LBJ Candidate. So what happened to Warren? Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #44

what happened? She's only polling 8% VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #153

EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #156

A few more items to add to this list... cascadiance Feb 2014 #7

Good additions! Can we please hear her positions on these from supporters (chirp, chirp, chirp...) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #11

Well she definitely is on the wrong side of item three on my list... cascadiance Feb 2014 #18

All higher education should be free. Funny how she's asking for more visas while grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #21

Why....you can see her positions right here... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #157

I agree with all of those. That is a good list. RC Feb 2014 #8

nice logo dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #31

Thank you. RC Feb 2014 #45

beholden to Wall Street and BIG banks and not us little people. warrant46 Feb 2014 #43

Oh really....a Liberal.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #158

Fail AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #14

Can you enlighten us as to her stance on some if these issues? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #23

Fail AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #26

True failure is grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #30

Read your thread title AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #33

C'mon now, what are her policy positions:) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #57

Why don't you tell us AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #58

LOL;) Is she for or against cutting social security? (ie Chained CPI) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #60

Chained CPI is Obama's baby AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #62

Is she for or against it? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #65

She hasn't made any statements on it AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #69

Why are you unwilling to defend her? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #102

Why would I defend her? AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #160

Well, at least we KNOW she will protect the top 6%. bvar22 Feb 2014 #110

Considering your sig line dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #32

And what AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #34

What's wrong with the thread title? Looks good to me. dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #35

I think "aging" is just trying to divert the argument away from fact based discussion. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #103

How about Jobs... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #159

K&R Scuba Feb 2014 #17

Kill the TPP??? She played a leading part in drafting it! antigop Feb 2014 #20

This. Earth_First Feb 2014 #48

Other than a "real" gay, fadedrose Feb 2014 #29

If America is "center-right" and America's far to the LEFT of Hillary, then she's far right. pnwmom Feb 2014 #38

I call them over the edge reactionary radical regressives and delusional Birch Society holdovers. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #46

I would call her advocating for war with Syria a far right position, correct? Can grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #107

If this is true...Bernie Sanders should have no problem winning the Presidency. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #47

I think he would win. Even folks that voted for Bush voted for Bernie!!! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #109

Go left, yes, but it will never be, not under plutocrat rule, never. K & R for truth, enough of mother earth Feb 2014 #49

Tisk tisk. The worshippers are only conserned with voting for who can win, not who is good for us. L0oniX Feb 2014 #50

They aren't good for us if they can't win. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #64

"only conserned with voting for who can win" bvar22 Feb 2014 #112

So uhm ...is that what they call the "money shot"? L0oniX Feb 2014 #113

Bob Shrum was on Ed Schultz last week, bvar22 Feb 2014 #117

They should have to wear a logo for each of their corporate sponsors just like a race car driver. L0oniX Feb 2014 #135

Or perhaps we need leaders who can succeed in intermediate steps... Orsino Feb 2014 #52

How's that working for Obama? We need a populist that can rally the people, IMHO. The grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #63

It's working very well for the president... Orsino Feb 2014 #71

We may have to call off the coronation Proud Public Servant Feb 2014 #54

Hillary has been tireless on women's rights - TBF Feb 2014 #55

Well, I'd like to see someone to the left of Hillary win in the primaries. If not that, at least get grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #61

she is not. Whisp Feb 2014 #86

She's a hawk. WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #88

What is a moderate on economic issues mean? Do you consider NAFTA and the TPP as moderate? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #91

"Moderate" may be too kind - TBF Feb 2014 #106

You can't just average every American's view (or set of views), and then declare America ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #68

Exactly. great white snark Feb 2014 #96

I'm trying to find out policy positions, not insult you:) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #101

Bernie has said he will run if no effective progressive emerges. Further, they do it all the time, grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #98

Again, the average of "most" Americans does not accurately reflect America. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #105

Interestingly, Bernie is also very popular with the republicans of Vermont and NH, because he grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #111

It's pretty simple to find position policies. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #85

A simple for or against the above positions is what I'm looking for. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #97

Dems Phlem Feb 2014 #104

Obama didn't support gay marriage when he won Exciting Trip Feb 2014 #114

He didn't support gays in the military either. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #126

I can understand why fiscal conservatives and Reagan Democrats would support Hillary, bvar22 Feb 2014 #115

How do I know America is NOT a Center-Right Nation? bvar22 Feb 2014 #119

+1 grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #125

You must think that the next president is going to get a more receptive Congress Beacool Feb 2014 #120

Is that all you want? Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #122

Hey, just give me three so I won't feel like a total choade when I have to vote for her, lol! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #124

Agree. It is not a matter of "getting all of these". bvar22 Feb 2014 #134

Her term will be a continuation of Obama's Doctor_J Feb 2014 #151