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In reply to the discussion: Smug creationists hold up signs mocking science. [View all]Gothmog
(180,213 posts)31. As a Jew, I get to go Old Testament on this idiots
Here is some math from a Jewish scholar that these idiots would not be able to understand. Remember that the part of the bible/scriptures being relied on these idiots is the part of the scriptures (Torah for me) that has been looked at and studied by Jewish scholars for a long time. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-adam-jacobs/the-jewish-view-of-creati_b_800257.html
To the secularist, the notion that we should flippantly toss aside hundreds of years of scientific investigation unequivocally demonstrating an extremely old universe simply because some ancient tome says it was created less than 6,000 years ago is nothing short of idiocy. What I hope to demonstrate is that Judaism's understanding of this matter (and many others) is significantly more nuanced, complex and surprising than what is currently believed to be the standard religious gloss on the subject. The truth of the matter is that Judaism is frequently (and unfairly) lumped together with other religious systems that actually have vastly different ways of looking at things.
One thousand years ago, the great Jewish philosopher and physician, Moses Maimonides, wrote that there is no contradiction between Torah and science and that if one is perceived, then there was a misapprehension of the science or the Torah. Two centuries later, Rabbi Isaac of Akko, a disciple of the great Moses Ben Nachman (Nachmanides) and one of the foremost Kabbalists of his generation, wrote some surprising commentary regarding the age of the universe. In his work "the Trove of Life," he explains that the Earth was actually 42,000 years old when Adam was created and that these years are "divine" years and should not be thought of as 365 regular days. Rather, a divine year is 1,000 times longer or 365,250 years. He based this on a verse in Psalm 90 that says "1,000 years in your eyes is like a day gone by." Do the math. According to Rabbi Isaac, the universe is 42,000 x 365,250, or 15,340,500,000 years old. This figure is squarely within the ballpark of where modern cosmology places the age of the universe. How did he know this? And how did he posses the temerity to conclude it in the midst of the Dark Ages? Perhaps our fundamentalism is not quite as primitive as is supposed.
I admit that there are some Orthodox Rabbis who believe that the earth is 6,000 years old but they are in the minority and they do not take their beliefs to the crazed extremes that Ham does.
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Poe's law, YEC creationists are actually this ignorant, and these are all common arguments...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#36
I use to laugh this stuff off, but it seems to be getting worse...children in public schools
Jefferson23
Feb 2014
#6
All four...see, is that not an increase to represent their growing constituents
Jefferson23
Feb 2014
#18
Nice job. Not to quibble but sunsets happen because the earth is a sphere rotating on its axis.
Ed Suspicious
Feb 2014
#35
Also the colors that appear at sunset are due to the refraction/reflection of the atmosphere..
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#39
It's funny because the god caused big bang theory hypothesis has also been treated with very little
Ed Suspicious
Feb 2014
#38
I don't think most believers believe in talking donkeys, talking snakes, and talking bushes
Major Nikon
Feb 2014
#78
Somebody doesn't know what a theory is. Perhaps a few more science classes are in order.
Ed Suspicious
Feb 2014
#33
I love it when they do the little bunny foo-foo thing around the word "Theory"
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#37
BREAKING: People who reject science turn out to be bad at scientific thought.
cthulu2016
Feb 2014
#40
These people are poster children for the sorry state of our educational system.
surrealAmerican
Feb 2014
#49