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Armstead

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73. Not making excuses because no need to

Wed Feb 5, 2014, 08:30 PM

Feb 2014

He votes for most of what is put up by the Democrats and the White House.

Nothing wrong with that. I would think you would love it.

It's not like many of us hate everything President Obama does, despite what you like to think. I get pissed when he does things that I disagree with -- especially on fundamental matters.

Sanders is a politician and a smart one. The difference is that he also has a set of core principles that I agree with, which he has been fighting for since forever.

For example, while all the centrist Democrats were praising Alan Greenspan back in the bubble, Bernie was calling him out in open hearings and telling the truth when it wasn;t very popular. Things like that make a difference.

He also is tactically smart. Knows when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em.

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Bernie Sanders voted for the farm bill which will result in $8.6 billion in food stamp cuts [View all] Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 OP

He also would have taken a hit politically if he didn't compromise el_bryanto Feb 2014 #1

No he wouldn't. nothing even remotely significant cali Feb 2014 #4

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Feb 2014 #81

It's what grownups do. Especially when you have government as divided as ours. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #2

Of course, but ... frazzled Feb 2014 #5

The DU double standard: Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #9

At first I thought it has nothing to do with race, but nothing else can really explain it. Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #13

"White privilege and racism are still very powerful forces". Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #29

I guess Hillary must be black too dsc Feb 2014 #64

Hillary isn't in government right now. Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #83

^^^^THIS!!! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #14

+++ Whisp Feb 2014 #26

It happens here all the time. ODS!!!! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #28

No because it depends on the larger context. Armstead Feb 2014 #31

You've failed to convince me frazzled Feb 2014 #35

Not my job to convince you Armstead Feb 2014 #48

... Cha Feb 2014 #75

+100 nt Andy823 Feb 2014 #82

and bernie was wrong, wrong, wrong. He's my senator. cali Feb 2014 #3

Yes...but if all Senators followed your appproach, what happens when the bill fails? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #6

I am on SNAP. cali Feb 2014 #17

Then the bill fails and we head to another showdown...rather than mild capitulation. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #22

Yeah, just like the Unemployment extension. jeff47 Feb 2014 #25

"Btw, the reason Bernie voted for it was that the Farm Bill was packed full of goodies for VT. " ProSense Feb 2014 #7

should he? what do YOU think? cali Feb 2014 #19

You first. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #20

I am looking forward to your posts on Sanders being a caving corporate whore... Whisp Feb 2014 #27

Did cali actually call Obama a "caving corporate whore"? morningfog Feb 2014 #34

lol Whisp Feb 2014 #36

Link? morningfog Feb 2014 #54

Criticism of Policy... is that what's it called today? Whisp Feb 2014 #59

So you are saying that Bernie, like all politicians, can be BOUGHT. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #41

And Obama will sign the farm bill which will result in $8.6 billion in food stamp cuts Autumn Feb 2014 #8

So Obama should veto the bill that Bernie voted for? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #10

He should veto it. Sanders shouldn't have voted for it. morningfog Feb 2014 #32

now it's turned into a 'debate' instead of the general flogging? Whisp Feb 2014 #37

I didn't suggest that, now did I? Autumn Feb 2014 #53

Not to worry, Obama will wield his veto pen....oh, wait. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #11

this just proves Bernie is more reality based than some DU'ers. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #12

you don't seem to grasp that one can criticize a vote or policy without throwing cali Feb 2014 #21

Right....like I just crawled out from under a rock.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #23

Congress is mostly millionaires. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #15

They should have to display their sponsors logos on their coats. L0oniX Feb 2014 #72

Sharrod Brown voted "yea". So upset. Nt Ninga Feb 2014 #16

I see, but gerogie2 Feb 2014 #18

Yep...they will give him a pass..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #24

Bernie's just another lame ass compromiser. DCBob Feb 2014 #30

he's a wall streetin corporate cavin' spineless whore/war monger old folks hatin' turd wayer. Whisp Feb 2014 #38

Haha..so clever....not Armstead Feb 2014 #49

Rarely do I disagree with Senator Sanders. I do on this. Bad bill, bad vote. morningfog Feb 2014 #33

but you can't disagree with him in the same kind of flavourful way you do with the President Whisp Feb 2014 #40

Its OK if Bernie does it. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #42

I can feel the anguish and confusion... Whisp Feb 2014 #43

Bernie has earned much respect over the years for consistently fighting for the right stuff Armstead Feb 2014 #51

Yes, like voting for health care reform and Wall Street reform. ProSense Feb 2014 #58

Not making excuses because no need to Armstead Feb 2014 #73

So now ProSense Feb 2014 #76

I'm very tired of this "who's right and who's wrong" stuff Armstead Feb 2014 #84

Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #85

sez you!!! Whisp Feb 2014 #60

I must yield to your intelligent and well thought out response on this matter Armstead Feb 2014 #70

What flavorful way are you talking about? morningfog Feb 2014 #55

the kind of full bore engorged ragefist flavour. Whisp Feb 2014 #61

Great day for me. morningfog Feb 2014 #62

hehe. Whisp Feb 2014 #63

Bye, Whisp. morningfog Feb 2014 #65

Bye. Whisp Feb 2014 #66

You know Bernie got something for it, he's about the shrewdest politician up there. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #87

Letter: New farm bill should be vetoed Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #39

Senator Booker's statement ProSense Feb 2014 #44

+1. I hope he is urging Obama to veto it. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #47

When does the fascist right EVER compromise in our direction? PeteSelman Feb 2014 #45

GOTV 2014!!! Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #46

Yay! Elect some blue dogs that will as bad as republicans. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #50

I am so disappointed with Sanders, and with Warren. ananda Feb 2014 #52

Come on, Bernie! I thought you were fighting for people--not corporations!! Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #56

If you are trying to make a case that no one is worth voting for you're doing great Fumesucker Feb 2014 #57

but there are so many loud and enraged shit givers and botherers when it is Obama Whisp Feb 2014 #67

Some of us actually take Obama at his own word Fumesucker Feb 2014 #71

Compromise is a necessary part of governing. Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #74

All of us live in the real world where compromise is necessary Fumesucker Feb 2014 #77

"All of us live in the real world where compromise is necessary" Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #79

Should we now throw Bernie under the bus because he didn't vote against this bill? kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #68

Had hard time notemason Feb 2014 #69

He spoke about the food stamp cuts, but explained that he thinks Cleita Feb 2014 #78

Compromise is one thing, I don't see compromise here. Obama will veto it? Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #88

Just so sadly pathetic. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #86

You CUT OUT an important part of Senator Sander's quote of why he Voted for the 2014 Farm Bill. luca.barton Apr 2016 #89

Welcome to DU, thanks for the info. I wish bills would be single issue, and you have to look at uppityperson Apr 2016 #90