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168. 'We moved millions of people off welfare'. Really, where did they go? Did they get

Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:43 PM

Feb 2014

good jobs so they could raise their children properly, or as we read many times, were some of them, mostly single mothers, forced to go on a bus to minimum wage job two hours from home, leaving their children to fend for themselves, otherwise they would not even receive the measly check they got from welfare. One of those children ended up bringing a gun to school and shooting one of his classmates.

This is what I think. When Congress passes bills that directly affect the lives of people, especially the poor, THEY should have to spend a month living under the conditions of the bill before they sign it.

If they don't want to do that, they should not be allowed to vote on it.

'moving people' is fine, so long as you follow that up with 'where did they go'. Has he ever followed up on the PEOPLE, or just the money saved to spend on more wars and tax breaks for the wealthy?

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Former Clinton USDA Official: “Our political system is basically evil versus spineless now" [View all] cali Feb 2014 OP

This corporate Farm Bill is going to come back to bite America in the ass Berlum Feb 2014 #1

I want the commode gLibDem Feb 2014 #44

Sad Truth...wake up billhicks76 Feb 2014 #179

I'm not asleep. I simply thought the commode looked awesome. gLibDem Feb 2014 #181

Agreed billhicks76 Feb 2014 #186

I will say that I actually have some faith in the next generation. gLibDem Feb 2014 #187

Prison State billhicks76 Feb 2014 #188

Crap! I hadn't considered that. And yet it makes sense. gLibDem Feb 2014 #189

Optimist Fumesucker Feb 2014 #2

bwahahaha. sob, sob, sob. cali Feb 2014 #3

Flattery will get you nowhere with me Fumesucker Feb 2014 #6

Dude is a ProSense Feb 2014 #4

You can't have it both ways. Beacool Feb 2014 #48

Clinton ProSense Feb 2014 #55

Please, you act like the RW bringing up Benghazi every time someone mentions Christie. Beacool Feb 2014 #59

WTF? Are you denying that Clinton bragged about Welfare reform? ProSense Feb 2014 #63

Whatever, Pro. Beacool Feb 2014 #67

LOL! n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #68

you guys quit fightin! dionysus Feb 2014 #93

Is that a cat bankie? Beacool Feb 2014 #109

AND, it's a bankie suit! dionysus Feb 2014 #117

Yeah, there's that too. Beacool Feb 2014 #121

then you better change into your banky and enjoy the evening by the fire... dionysus Feb 2014 #123

I'm enjoying a cup of tea and a small piece of cake. Beacool Feb 2014 #127

Thanks Bea...I know I can depend on you to come to the rescue. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #125

We are the Valkyries around here. Beacool Feb 2014 #128

don't go dinging anyone but rabid racoons coming for your bankie with that cast iron! dionysus Feb 2014 #134

Two things I protect against all attackers: Hillary and the bankies. Beacool Feb 2014 #158

you joisey broads are something else... dionysus Feb 2014 #160

We are tough, we have to be considering where we live. Beacool Feb 2014 #161

Benghazi is a Republicanese word with it's origin In Libya meaning : world wide wally Feb 2014 #126

So funny that you diss Clinton when Obama gets a clear pass from you for the same things. lark Feb 2014 #120

What nonsense. Clinton bragged about and supported Welfare reform. ProSense Feb 2014 #122

And Obama took office pledging to cut entitlements. merrily Feb 2014 #132

And it hasn't happened. Welfare reform happened, and ProSense Feb 2014 #133

Wrong. Cuts have happened. And he's tried and tried for more merrily Feb 2014 #136

Nonsense ProSense Feb 2014 #138

Then he should not have signed them, but you've omitted mention of the other merrily Feb 2014 #140

LOL! "Attempted" ProSense Feb 2014 #143

Still unworthy tactics. Obama set out to cut safety nets, succeeded in some and failed in others. merrily Feb 2014 #144

Yes, ProSense Feb 2014 #145

And Obama set out to cut entitlements. That was his goal. merrily Feb 2014 #147

No, it wasn't his "goal." ProSense Feb 2014 #148

Now, you are not even trying to make sense. Cutting entitlements absolutely was his goal. merrily Feb 2014 #150

LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #153

After the 7 millionth LOL, it gets tedious. merrily Feb 2014 #157

You seem ProSense Feb 2014 #165

No, my links are proof. merrily Feb 2014 #166

No, ProSense Feb 2014 #170

That was not one of my links. And I never said Conyers was a Republican. merrily Feb 2014 #171

Wait ProSense Feb 2014 #172

My Reply 150 linked to an interview Obama gave the Washington Post. merrily Feb 2014 #173

Um, ProSense Feb 2014 #174

Good grief. merrily Feb 2014 #176

'We moved millions of people off welfare'. Really, where did they go? Did they get sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #168

We wouldn't want to hear anything from apologists now AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #107

+1 leeroysphitz Feb 2014 #111

And so focused on it, to boot, that cuts to welfare and food stamps get a ROFL emoticon. merrily Feb 2014 #135

And signing it was an act of the President. merrily Feb 2014 #131

clinton "apologist"? SwampG8r Feb 2014 #183

Senator Sanders' statement: ProSense Feb 2014 #5

The POTUS haS the veto pen. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #7

don't bother. cali Feb 2014 #8

LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #10

I always bother. To question evil R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #16

Excellent! gLibDem Feb 2014 #57

I quit giving that one an excuse to increase her word count a long time ago. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2014 #23

The bill passed with a veto-proof majority. Still, ProSense Feb 2014 #9

Exactly, it's an ancient characteristic Fumesucker Feb 2014 #11

Right, Congress ProSense Feb 2014 #13

Republicans are nuts and about as smart as your average houseplant Fumesucker Feb 2014 #18

They are paid to lose Chisox08 Feb 2014 #115

Because the Rank-and-File Republicans ARE So Stupid they Will Believe Anything Faux Nooze Says AndyTiedye Feb 2014 #129

Republican voting patterns aren't what you might think, it's full wallet that votes Republican Fumesucker Feb 2014 #180

actually, it's your ignorance about the guy that's hilarious, pro cali Feb 2014 #12

Who Leahy? ProSense Feb 2014 #14

I would not have described it as ignorance, but merrily Feb 2014 #142

Well then, It looks as if the Dems and repugs R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #15

He would be wise to veto it. former9thward Feb 2014 #31

Was I tole a lie? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #39

I never accuse others of lying. former9thward Feb 2014 #42

Should have known. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #50

Yes, food stamps going to zero would definitely be better. jeff47 Feb 2014 #43

That was not an option. former9thward Feb 2014 #45

A continuing resolution with an expiration date. jeff47 Feb 2014 #51

There was no expiration date. former9thward Feb 2014 #54

All the continuing resolutions have expiration dates. jeff47 Feb 2014 #62

What as the expiration date? former9thward Feb 2014 #77

You think if you were so sure, you'd have linked the bill. jeff47 Feb 2014 #83

It does not expire. former9thward Feb 2014 #87

You should read your own quotes. jeff47 Feb 2014 #95

So far you have not come up with this mythical expiration date. former9thward Feb 2014 #96

I already provided it. jeff47 Feb 2014 #100

What's the date --- since you provided it? former9thward Feb 2014 #102

"The bill passed with a veto-proof majority" former9thward Feb 2014 #30

Is 68 more than two-thirds of 100? ProSense Feb 2014 #32

Oh, only the Senate gets to vote on legislation? former9thward Feb 2014 #37

The Senate AND the House have to vote to override a veto. The Senate has the votes but the House neverforget Feb 2014 #141

435 * 2/3 = 290. jeff47 Feb 2014 #46

My calculator has a different result. former9thward Feb 2014 #53

I think you need a new calculator. jeff47 Feb 2014 #61

Again, what difference does it make? former9thward Feb 2014 #76

Well, when you are attacking someone for faulty math skills jeff47 Feb 2014 #79

And had Obama been the one to sign it LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #47

Bullshit. ProSense Feb 2014 #60

lol. you don't like the truth too much. cali Feb 2014 #81

Oooh ProSense Feb 2014 #82

So? progressoid Feb 2014 #86

Even Pilot washed his hands in front of the crowd. zeemike Feb 2014 #110

Bull. No one knows what is veto proof and what is not until a veto is made. merrily Feb 2014 #149

First, ProSense Feb 2014 #151

No, you don't know what you are talking about. merrily Feb 2014 #155

Frankly, ProSense Feb 2014 #156

You must care because most of your posts to me were about Clinton. merrily Feb 2014 #159

That ProSense Feb 2014 #162

I have no idea what it had to do with in post after post from you. merrily Feb 2014 #164

Yep... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #94

I don't worship any POTUS. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #98

I hope you don't think... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #99

Not at all. I was just clarifying my opinion. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #103

Sanders does an excellent job spelling out why he voted for it - it does substantial good karynnj Feb 2014 #20

I take issue ProSense Feb 2014 #22

Quite agree with you on Berg's attempt to excuse welfare reform karynnj Feb 2014 #25

Sanders is one Indie Senator of 100. Obama is one President and Dem Party head of one. merrily Feb 2014 #146

In the end Senator Sanders always let's you down. gLibDem Feb 2014 #52

Well, bully for Vermont. Beacool Feb 2014 #56

This is one neither Congress nor the President gets a pass on, merrily Feb 2014 #137

It is NOT being "spineless," call it for what it is, THEY ARE BOUGHT OFF!!! Dustlawyer Feb 2014 #17

Read Bernie's statement karynnj Feb 2014 #24

It is a cruel jest to say jsr Feb 2014 #19

Effects of Welfare reform, ProSense Feb 2014 #21

Only Obama apologists allowed? Armstead Feb 2014 #27

Please ProSense Feb 2014 #29

It was in there. But I guess once you saw the word Obama the auto-pilot kicked in Armstead Feb 2014 #33

No, ProSense Feb 2014 #34

A hypothetical question.. Armstead Feb 2014 #36

You think ProSense Feb 2014 #38

No I don't agree with him on that -- But it's not all-or-nothing Armstead Feb 2014 #74

That's hilarious ProSense Feb 2014 #80

No I'm saying you do that either/or stuff Armstead Feb 2014 #89

No, ProSense Feb 2014 #97

As I said before, your criticism is legitimate but I agree with his larger point Armstead Feb 2014 #105

Heh. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #26

Depressing K&R. bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #28

It really is hopeless Cosmocat Feb 2014 #65

Charlie Pierce wrote a great piece on this apathy regarding our health-care system bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #75

Worst gosh darn Cosmocat Feb 2014 #190

Democrats are not spineless. merrily Feb 2014 #175

Yeah Cosmocat Feb 2014 #191

Food Fight! Clintonians vs. Obamanians! MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #35

LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #41

Hey, shouldn't you be telling us how progressive Warren and Sanders are for voting for this bill? Beacool Feb 2014 #64

Warren didn't vote for the bill. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #70

I stand corrected. Beacool Feb 2014 #73

Hungry? Fuck you! Need money for war? No problem! L0oniX Feb 2014 #40

Someone else said "We traded civility for corruption" Corruption Inc Feb 2014 #49

Are the last paragraph truthful? Trillo Feb 2014 #58

I did not move to the city until 1985. ieoeja Feb 2014 #108

In a nutshell, and exactly what the oligarchy wants, non-action, they thrive & prosper and mother earth Feb 2014 #66

don't drag progressives into this, asshole.. frylock Feb 2014 #69

when progressives like my reps vote for this shit, they should be called out cali Feb 2014 #84

the comment wasn't directed toward you frylock Feb 2014 #85

Economy of language used properly. nt Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #71

It is interesting to me that Republicans are wiling to pass the farm bill which funds crop JDPriestly Feb 2014 #72

Except PsychGrad Feb 2014 #101

If this money was going to "farmers".. sendero Feb 2014 #182

Yeah. PsychGrad Feb 2014 #184

KR El_Johns Feb 2014 #78

I'd call that inaccurate stupidicus Feb 2014 #88

Quick side question sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #90

President and Congressional Dems ,,, Cryptoad Feb 2014 #91

I'm sorry...... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #92

Wow, air conditioned tents in the desert. zeemike Feb 2014 #113

Tents with the doors open! Phlem Feb 2014 #154

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS! BrotherIvan Feb 2014 #116

Been that way for a very long while... villager Feb 2014 #104

"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #106

If by 'evil' you mean a government in service to the richest people in the world... Octafish Feb 2014 #112

with a plentiful helping of delusional on "both" "sides" to keep the state of affairs going MisterP Feb 2014 #114

Agreed colsohlibgal Feb 2014 #118

kicking sadly. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #119

Evil, a four-letter word that best describes this type of right-winged-soused governance indepat Feb 2014 #124

Actually it's more like psychotic vs pragmatic. DCBob Feb 2014 #130

If pragmatic means assuming that anything that Democrats do or Obama does merrily Feb 2014 #152

Or, in more "practical" terms: "Not as bad" versus "Worse". Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #139

Yup. That's why I voted for Kucinich. flvegan Feb 2014 #163

So, does Mr. Berg think that it's a good thing or a bad thing? blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #167

Spineless? When has government ever been spineless? merrily Feb 2014 #169

just about sums it up frwrfpos Feb 2014 #177

He is absolutely correct AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #178

K&R cprise Feb 2014 #185