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Swede Atlanta

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28. His position can be understood.....
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 08:32 AM
Feb 2014

He is making two basic points:

(1) Domestically produced oil is currently being shipped by rail and transport by rail is safer (i.e. less spills and less oil spilled per spill) and produces less greenhouse gases (i.e. not burning diesel to drive the rail engine)

(2) The pipeline will not result in increased domestic oil consumption - we still need to keep working on fuel efficiency and moving away from fossil fuels

I can in general agree with him on point (1) provided the statistics he uses are accurate. The problem I have is the confluence of points (1) and (2).

Let's say the pipeline is built and hypothetically oil from the Canadian tar sands begins to flow in 2020. The U.S. continues to decrease its use of fossil fuels generally. The oil comes down from Canada and is refined in Texas or other points along the Gulf Coast. At that point the U.S. may actually have a glut of oil (or not) but if consumption continues to decrease relative to supply that will eventually happen.

So what happens with the refined products coming out of Texas, Louisiana, etc.? It will be exported to other countries. Schultz' argument is if we don't build the pipeline to the U.S., Canada will pipe it to the Pacific and ship it to Japan and China where it will be refined. Why not keep it as a North American energy source?

I can agree we need to begin thinking strategically about the need to have fossil fuels available in times of war or other crisis. Keeping the infrastructure to move the oil around within North America appears to meet that objective.

But, as U.S. consumption declines and exports of refined products from the Canadian tar sands oil rise, we are taking on all the risk of transporting, refining and shipping out the oil as well as the pollution, etc. generated from those activities.

Sure, if it is shipped to Japan and China they refine it there and potentially the same amount of pollutants enter the atmosphere as if they are refined here. But the local effects of these activities are not being felt in the U.S. to facilitate consumption abroad.

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you can contact MSNBC snooper2 Feb 2014 #1
Ignorant, maybe, elleng Feb 2014 #2
Yeah, he is worried about deaths from rail accidents in the U.S. greatlaurel Feb 2014 #8
Those who ignore 'environmental justice' are not, imo, elleng Feb 2014 #10
I have to very politely agree to disagree with you on this. greatlaurel Feb 2014 #35
Thanks elleng Feb 2014 #41
I Thought At One Time Ed Spoke Out Against It..... global1 Feb 2014 #3
I did too. greatlaurel Feb 2014 #32
Well, if he criticized it, management would just make him apologize for it tularetom Feb 2014 #4
Ha! greatlaurel Feb 2014 #36
Radical environmentalists, are we? RobertEarl Feb 2014 #5
Thanks greatlaurel Feb 2014 #9
heh RobertEarl Feb 2014 #11
You have it in a nutshell. greatlaurel Feb 2014 #31
I like Ed, Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #6
For Ed it suddenly became a safety 2naSalit Feb 2014 #7
Yes, he doesn't convince me he seems to be going against type flamingdem Feb 2014 #13
I liled Ed, too. I am very pro-uniom greatlaurel Feb 2014 #14
Good points! nt 2naSalit Feb 2014 #16
Comment on His facebook page. bravenak Feb 2014 #12
Did he enter that? 2naSalit Feb 2014 #15
Thanks for the information! greatlaurel Feb 2014 #29
For certain! 2naSalit Feb 2014 #42
I watched him open-mouthed fadedrose Feb 2014 #17
"Prostituted"? You think he took money? Really? Hekate Feb 2014 #18
Pipeline safety is sich a big lie, too greatlaurel Feb 2014 #19
he is from North Dakota, which will benefit from the pipeline. fill in the blanks nt msongs Feb 2014 #20
That explains why he keeps talking about the Bakken oil. greatlaurel Feb 2014 #30
This is when I wrote off Ed Schultz as a bloviating hawk: delrem Feb 2014 #21
Prostituting. +1 blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #22
ED's A Cheer leader imthevicar Feb 2014 #23
No, he isn't .. in fact that's when he's real popular around here is when Cha Feb 2014 #24
Oh How a Good Paying Gig Will change you! imthevicar Feb 2014 #26
The viewpoints about the mainstream polynomial Feb 2014 #25
I'm through with Ed newfie11 Feb 2014 #27
His position can be understood..... Swede Atlanta Feb 2014 #28
Just one minor problem with your thinking ... GeorgeGist Feb 2014 #43
Oh Scumbag Ed. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #33
This is what happens when we allow ourselves to be led by "ex" freepers... Romulox Feb 2014 #34
Did not know that about him. greatlaurel Feb 2014 #37
This is the same guy that was very anti-OWS, until the stream of very intelligent bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #38
Ed is a person, not a political litmus test for the left Tom Rinaldo Feb 2014 #39
I don't watch him because he sits in a Non Union shop claiming to be pro Union. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #40
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