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pipoman

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80. Which is why

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 08:38 AM

Feb 2014

"The court of public opinion" = worthless indicator of anything/rumor/gossip

not so sure it is too late. .seems priests have been tried decades later.

Then there is the issue of the impossibility of proving a negative.

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Moses Farrow Tells People Magazine That Allen "Of Course" Did Not Molest Moses' Younger Sister Dylan [View all] Hissyspit Feb 2014 OP

If he has some kind of proof that he account of what happened justiceischeap Feb 2014 #1

How do you prove a negative? rug Feb 2014 #17

That isn't the way it works pipoman Feb 2014 #41

Too much time has passed for a conviction justiceischeap Feb 2014 #78

Which is why pipoman Feb 2014 #80

I feel for everyone involved, but I reserve most of my sympathy for ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #2

Me too. I can't totally dismiss her claims out of hand. bettyellen Feb 2014 #14

I think Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #79

I have seen that many people here want to believe Mia is messed up so bad... bettyellen Feb 2014 #105

It is crazy Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #120

Having done family law, I will tell you that some parents are so narcissistic they would conceive msanthrope Feb 2014 #112

Oh Gosh Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #121

I think Woody has "done right" in the best of a terrible situation. He's effectively kept msanthrope Feb 2014 #127

Woody's needs were all consuming enough to allow his family to be destroyed, and Soon Yi bettyellen Feb 2014 #125

You know, given the abuse Moses described, and Mia's attempts to characterize Soon Yi as msanthrope Feb 2014 #128

I'm totally comfortable saying that fucking your Mom's current long time partner is a very screwed bettyellen Feb 2014 #130

Um....Mia and Woody never married and never lived together. While I agree that I would not msanthrope Feb 2014 #131

Handle it privately like Farrow has? El_Johns Feb 2014 #133

They all should Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #134

Well, he was there so I'm sure he'd know. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #3

From what I've been reading here, it seems a lot of DUers were there. edbermac Feb 2014 #6

More like, not willing to dismiss Dylan off the bat Scootaloo Feb 2014 #33

but you WERE there, obviously TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #11

That's not what's being said, either. Obviously. R B Garr Feb 2014 #61

He isn't the only one who was there who says it didn't happen. Nannies were there and quit sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #45

It's very telling that they quit Major Nikon Feb 2014 #94

Mia had no problem making him available to the press when it all went down.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #92

So, we have the many warring family factions and celebrities coming out of the woodwork left & right hlthe2b Feb 2014 #4

Celebrities calling her out too? Yikes. Everyone on Woody's gravy train who is willing, I guess. bettyellen Feb 2014 #13

he claims he knows they were never alone together that day- yet all other witnesses say that they bettyellen Feb 2014 #5

what a ridiculous either/or TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #9

I am doing it deliberately to show the suppositions made here can be regarded as ridiculous- thanks bettyellen Feb 2014 #12

i did not see you make the same comment to the many that said exactly that about dylan. why? seabeyond Feb 2014 #15

odd that you, of all people, do not recognize sarcasm when it is posted ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #31

"all other witnesses" = who exactly? Mia's friend and Mia's friend's babysitter. El_Johns Feb 2014 #30

Why are there so many problems with Mia's children? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #48

Dylan herself obviously wants to talk about this- why are you saying she should shut up and making bettyellen Feb 2014 #102

"problems with Mia's children" anasv Feb 2014 #113

Moses is a family therapist. He claims it was Mia who abused the children. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #69

Mia had no problem making Moses availble to the press at 14.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #93

False impression? bravenak Feb 2014 #7

Since the only children who have spoken in public are Dylan, Ronan (5 at the time), and Moses, El_Johns Feb 2014 #22

Name one other child that was around at the time who is speaking out defending Woody. bravenak Feb 2014 #62

He may have changed loyalties, but he didn't change his story Major Nikon Feb 2014 #67

Did Moses say that or did someone else say he said that? bravenak Feb 2014 #70

I posted what someone else made a sworn statement to under the threat of perjury if they lied Major Nikon Feb 2014 #81

I'm not sure he did or didn't. bravenak Feb 2014 #103

Look at it this way Major Nikon Feb 2014 #111

I'm more worried about the veracity of the child. bravenak Feb 2014 #114

I don't believe one can automatically believe any claimed victim Major Nikon Feb 2014 #116

I agree. bravenak Feb 2014 #117

He was able to adopt two daughters after all this so people with more expertise sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #118

I would not let him watch my daughters. bravenak Feb 2014 #119

You implied that Allen was not fit to babysit for other people's children. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #123

I used the first person singular indicating I was speaking for myself. bravenak Feb 2014 #126

None were, so who should I name? El_Johns Feb 2014 #68

It's telling because she spoke out at the time and he did not speak out against her. bravenak Feb 2014 #71

Apparently he did speak out at the time, same way his sister did. According sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #72

When the man you are raising children with has sex with one of your children... bravenak Feb 2014 #75

What? He was 14. She was 7. Farrow's lawyers read a letter, supposedly from him, to Allen El_Johns Feb 2014 #73

My parents never married. I judge 14 year olds every day. The kid that raped me was 15. bravenak Feb 2014 #74

If you can't see the illogic of accusing me of judging you in the context of a rape I didn't even El_Johns Feb 2014 #76

Have a great day. bravenak Feb 2014 #77

or paid CatWoman Feb 2014 #24

Link to the People Magazine article... PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #8

The other ELEVEN surviving siblings support Dylan. Squinch Feb 2014 #10

How would they know if it's true? rug Feb 2014 #18

How would Moses know if it's false? Squinch Feb 2014 #19

Is that your final answer? rug Feb 2014 #20

Yes, since the point of this OP is to say that Moses believes Allen, and therefore Squinch Feb 2014 #21

Deleted by merrily. I misunderstood. merrily Feb 2014 #29

What he *would* know, being 14 at the time, was how each parent behaved toward him and El_Johns Feb 2014 #32

They would know if Mia was trying to get them all to lie. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #39

How do you know what they think? Not that it's really relevant, since 6 of them were adopted El_Johns Feb 2014 #23

Mia was out of the house also Major Nikon Feb 2014 #35

The nanny didn't say he wasn't alone with her. She said that Dylan was out of her sight no more than pnwmom Feb 2014 #44

She said Dylan wasn't out of her sight for more than 5 minutes Major Nikon Feb 2014 #58

How would he know? Molesters molest in secret. Moses was much older pnwmom Feb 2014 #16

Moses was 14 in 1992, and very much involved in the family drama. El_Johns Feb 2014 #25

In most families no one knows except for the molested and the molester. pnwmom Feb 2014 #37

Yeah, he accidentally left the door to the TV room open so anyone walking by could see him El_Johns Feb 2014 #51

This wasn't the first time he'd molested her. pnwmom Feb 2014 #53

According to DYLAN, it was. "Inappropriate behaviors" are not molestation, and all the El_Johns Feb 2014 #55

And Moses would know, just as Dylan's other brother knows the opposite. merrily Feb 2014 #26

Dylan's other brother was 5 years old. He doesn't know anything except what he was told by El_Johns Feb 2014 #34

The thread is about her brother defending Woody Allen, not Woody Allen defending himself. merrily Feb 2014 #36

P.S. Moses doesn't know anything, either. merrily Feb 2014 #40

Moses knows how his parents behaved toward him and the other children, and he knows how El_Johns Feb 2014 #47

All Farrow's kids know how their parents behaved toward them. merrily Feb 2014 #50

Except that 6 of Farrow's kids were adopted after the Soon-Yi incident, and of Previn's 6 kids, El_Johns Feb 2014 #54

Again, Moses has no way of knowing for sure what happened. merrily Feb 2014 #56

No, he has no way of knowing for sure what happened. But he was there, and he does know El_Johns Feb 2014 #59

Please see my prior posts. We're going in circles. merrily Feb 2014 #60

Moses didn't have a different view years ago Major Nikon Feb 2014 #63

However, Farrow's lawyers read a letter to Allen, supposedly from Moses, that said he thought El_Johns Feb 2014 #64

I can't imagine it being that hard for a sole custody mother to turn her children against Allen Major Nikon Feb 2014 #65

Of course it's easy, and physical abuse doesn't even have to enter into it. I think it's El_Johns Feb 2014 #66

How long can we keep beating this? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #27

I have not so many attempts to control the posting of other people merrily Feb 2014 #46

Thanksgiving dinner around Mia's table has to be interesting Cleita Feb 2014 #28

How would he know? Would he expect his father would have done the molesting in front of him? pnwmom Feb 2014 #38

How would he know? He wasn't there BainsBane Feb 2014 #42

There is NOBODY that confirms Dylan's version of events, because Dylan's version happened in El_Johns Feb 2014 #49

Yet you provide confirmation of inappropriate behavior BainsBane Feb 2014 #52

Link me to any report of a babysitter seeing Allen take her to the attic. El_Johns Feb 2014 #57

That Jezebel article irks me. Nine Feb 2014 #87

The VF article was written by a friend of Mia's. And I agree that it's dishonest. The writer El_Johns Feb 2014 #99

Yup. Here's another example of the article's dishonesty. Nine Feb 2014 #106

She used steel turkey skewers and a steak knife....not "toothpicks".... msanthrope Feb 2014 #122

A toothpick? Very different. El_Johns Feb 2014 #132

If this post is an attempt to defend Woody Allen, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #86

I don't know what the truth is but for him dismiss it out of hand is not fair. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #43

The report of the investigation certainly dismissed it out of hand Major Nikon Feb 2014 #83

To be fair just because a group of experts say it did not happen does not mean it did not happen. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #88

Which I conceded Major Nikon Feb 2014 #89

Well I suppose we will never know and people will fall into camps. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #90

Yes, because of course a brother would know. *snark* And it would have occurred in the open. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #82

What he REALLY pipi_k Feb 2014 #84

Well then, case closed. (Assuming Moses was with either Dylan or Woody 24/7) (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #85

Funny..this was the child Mia Farrow made available to the press when this all went down.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #91

There's a lot to think about Major Nikon Feb 2014 #95

Waiting for 2-3 days makes me question much about her actions ... polly7 Feb 2014 #96

I have no doubt that Dylan was victimized Major Nikon Feb 2014 #97

I probably shouldn't mention this, but I grew up with a mother who sounds so much like polly7 Feb 2014 #98

It was the same with me Major Nikon Feb 2014 #100

Same here! My dad never knew how bad it was (that I know of) .... she was very careful. polly7 Feb 2014 #101

sounds like Woody- who was crazy enough to add 3 kids to that huge brood and beat Ronan in front of bettyellen Feb 2014 #108

Who exactly are you laughing at? polly7 Feb 2014 #110

Yet you minimize the documented physical abuse - Allen beating Ronan? And converse about fantasy bettyellen Feb 2014 #124

I minimized NOTHING. polly7 Feb 2014 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #104

Indeed...there's a lot to consider. I've indicated that I have a close relative who was one of the msanthrope Feb 2014 #109

1) I have no idea what went on in their family. 2) I sure as hell didn't share with my brothers. Hekate Feb 2014 #107

nobody is immune to denial, I suppose eShirl Feb 2014 #115