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bravenak

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114. I'm more worried about the veracity of the child.

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:48 PM

Feb 2014

Look at it this way. When a child is abused the abuser does it in private. It's a secret. They never tell anyone that they molested a child. With all of the children being abused, I automatically believe the children.
The guy who did that horrible stuff to me lied about it also. All of his family defended him, called me a liar and started behaving in a threatening manner. He was later convicted of raping another child and has since been back and forth to jail over the years eventually dying of AIDS.

With my history, it's my duty to believe the child. Not her brother. Not her dad's friends. Not her nanny. Her. Or him. Adults lie and cover up for each other. They don't want to think of their friend or family member as a raper.

How many people have gotten away with things that they did just because it can't be proved? Many.
This is why we are scared to come forward about sexual abuse. Nobody believes us anyway, we are not valued.

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Moses Farrow Tells People Magazine That Allen "Of Course" Did Not Molest Moses' Younger Sister Dylan [View all] Hissyspit Feb 2014 OP

If he has some kind of proof that he account of what happened justiceischeap Feb 2014 #1

How do you prove a negative? rug Feb 2014 #17

That isn't the way it works pipoman Feb 2014 #41

Too much time has passed for a conviction justiceischeap Feb 2014 #78

Which is why pipoman Feb 2014 #80

I feel for everyone involved, but I reserve most of my sympathy for ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #2

Me too. I can't totally dismiss her claims out of hand. bettyellen Feb 2014 #14

I think Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #79

I have seen that many people here want to believe Mia is messed up so bad... bettyellen Feb 2014 #105

It is crazy Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #120

Having done family law, I will tell you that some parents are so narcissistic they would conceive msanthrope Feb 2014 #112

Oh Gosh Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #121

I think Woody has "done right" in the best of a terrible situation. He's effectively kept msanthrope Feb 2014 #127

Woody's needs were all consuming enough to allow his family to be destroyed, and Soon Yi bettyellen Feb 2014 #125

You know, given the abuse Moses described, and Mia's attempts to characterize Soon Yi as msanthrope Feb 2014 #128

I'm totally comfortable saying that fucking your Mom's current long time partner is a very screwed bettyellen Feb 2014 #130

Um....Mia and Woody never married and never lived together. While I agree that I would not msanthrope Feb 2014 #131

Handle it privately like Farrow has? El_Johns Feb 2014 #133

They all should Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #134

Well, he was there so I'm sure he'd know. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #3

From what I've been reading here, it seems a lot of DUers were there. edbermac Feb 2014 #6

More like, not willing to dismiss Dylan off the bat Scootaloo Feb 2014 #33

but you WERE there, obviously TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #11

That's not what's being said, either. Obviously. R B Garr Feb 2014 #61

He isn't the only one who was there who says it didn't happen. Nannies were there and quit sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #45

It's very telling that they quit Major Nikon Feb 2014 #94

Mia had no problem making him available to the press when it all went down.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #92

So, we have the many warring family factions and celebrities coming out of the woodwork left & right hlthe2b Feb 2014 #4

Celebrities calling her out too? Yikes. Everyone on Woody's gravy train who is willing, I guess. bettyellen Feb 2014 #13

he claims he knows they were never alone together that day- yet all other witnesses say that they bettyellen Feb 2014 #5

what a ridiculous either/or TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #9

I am doing it deliberately to show the suppositions made here can be regarded as ridiculous- thanks bettyellen Feb 2014 #12

i did not see you make the same comment to the many that said exactly that about dylan. why? seabeyond Feb 2014 #15

odd that you, of all people, do not recognize sarcasm when it is posted ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #31

"all other witnesses" = who exactly? Mia's friend and Mia's friend's babysitter. El_Johns Feb 2014 #30

Why are there so many problems with Mia's children? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #48

Dylan herself obviously wants to talk about this- why are you saying she should shut up and making bettyellen Feb 2014 #102

"problems with Mia's children" anasv Feb 2014 #113

Moses is a family therapist. He claims it was Mia who abused the children. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #69

Mia had no problem making Moses availble to the press at 14.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #93

False impression? bravenak Feb 2014 #7

Since the only children who have spoken in public are Dylan, Ronan (5 at the time), and Moses, El_Johns Feb 2014 #22

Name one other child that was around at the time who is speaking out defending Woody. bravenak Feb 2014 #62

He may have changed loyalties, but he didn't change his story Major Nikon Feb 2014 #67

Did Moses say that or did someone else say he said that? bravenak Feb 2014 #70

I posted what someone else made a sworn statement to under the threat of perjury if they lied Major Nikon Feb 2014 #81

I'm not sure he did or didn't. bravenak Feb 2014 #103

Look at it this way Major Nikon Feb 2014 #111

I'm more worried about the veracity of the child. bravenak Feb 2014 #114

I don't believe one can automatically believe any claimed victim Major Nikon Feb 2014 #116

I agree. bravenak Feb 2014 #117

He was able to adopt two daughters after all this so people with more expertise sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #118

I would not let him watch my daughters. bravenak Feb 2014 #119

You implied that Allen was not fit to babysit for other people's children. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #123

I used the first person singular indicating I was speaking for myself. bravenak Feb 2014 #126

None were, so who should I name? El_Johns Feb 2014 #68

It's telling because she spoke out at the time and he did not speak out against her. bravenak Feb 2014 #71

Apparently he did speak out at the time, same way his sister did. According sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #72

When the man you are raising children with has sex with one of your children... bravenak Feb 2014 #75

What? He was 14. She was 7. Farrow's lawyers read a letter, supposedly from him, to Allen El_Johns Feb 2014 #73

My parents never married. I judge 14 year olds every day. The kid that raped me was 15. bravenak Feb 2014 #74

If you can't see the illogic of accusing me of judging you in the context of a rape I didn't even El_Johns Feb 2014 #76

Have a great day. bravenak Feb 2014 #77

or paid CatWoman Feb 2014 #24

Link to the People Magazine article... PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #8

The other ELEVEN surviving siblings support Dylan. Squinch Feb 2014 #10

How would they know if it's true? rug Feb 2014 #18

How would Moses know if it's false? Squinch Feb 2014 #19

Is that your final answer? rug Feb 2014 #20

Yes, since the point of this OP is to say that Moses believes Allen, and therefore Squinch Feb 2014 #21

Deleted by merrily. I misunderstood. merrily Feb 2014 #29

What he *would* know, being 14 at the time, was how each parent behaved toward him and El_Johns Feb 2014 #32

They would know if Mia was trying to get them all to lie. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #39

How do you know what they think? Not that it's really relevant, since 6 of them were adopted El_Johns Feb 2014 #23

Mia was out of the house also Major Nikon Feb 2014 #35

The nanny didn't say he wasn't alone with her. She said that Dylan was out of her sight no more than pnwmom Feb 2014 #44

She said Dylan wasn't out of her sight for more than 5 minutes Major Nikon Feb 2014 #58

How would he know? Molesters molest in secret. Moses was much older pnwmom Feb 2014 #16

Moses was 14 in 1992, and very much involved in the family drama. El_Johns Feb 2014 #25

In most families no one knows except for the molested and the molester. pnwmom Feb 2014 #37

Yeah, he accidentally left the door to the TV room open so anyone walking by could see him El_Johns Feb 2014 #51

This wasn't the first time he'd molested her. pnwmom Feb 2014 #53

According to DYLAN, it was. "Inappropriate behaviors" are not molestation, and all the El_Johns Feb 2014 #55

And Moses would know, just as Dylan's other brother knows the opposite. merrily Feb 2014 #26

Dylan's other brother was 5 years old. He doesn't know anything except what he was told by El_Johns Feb 2014 #34

The thread is about her brother defending Woody Allen, not Woody Allen defending himself. merrily Feb 2014 #36

P.S. Moses doesn't know anything, either. merrily Feb 2014 #40

Moses knows how his parents behaved toward him and the other children, and he knows how El_Johns Feb 2014 #47

All Farrow's kids know how their parents behaved toward them. merrily Feb 2014 #50

Except that 6 of Farrow's kids were adopted after the Soon-Yi incident, and of Previn's 6 kids, El_Johns Feb 2014 #54

Again, Moses has no way of knowing for sure what happened. merrily Feb 2014 #56

No, he has no way of knowing for sure what happened. But he was there, and he does know El_Johns Feb 2014 #59

Please see my prior posts. We're going in circles. merrily Feb 2014 #60

Moses didn't have a different view years ago Major Nikon Feb 2014 #63

However, Farrow's lawyers read a letter to Allen, supposedly from Moses, that said he thought El_Johns Feb 2014 #64

I can't imagine it being that hard for a sole custody mother to turn her children against Allen Major Nikon Feb 2014 #65

Of course it's easy, and physical abuse doesn't even have to enter into it. I think it's El_Johns Feb 2014 #66

How long can we keep beating this? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #27

I have not so many attempts to control the posting of other people merrily Feb 2014 #46

Thanksgiving dinner around Mia's table has to be interesting Cleita Feb 2014 #28

How would he know? Would he expect his father would have done the molesting in front of him? pnwmom Feb 2014 #38

How would he know? He wasn't there BainsBane Feb 2014 #42

There is NOBODY that confirms Dylan's version of events, because Dylan's version happened in El_Johns Feb 2014 #49

Yet you provide confirmation of inappropriate behavior BainsBane Feb 2014 #52

Link me to any report of a babysitter seeing Allen take her to the attic. El_Johns Feb 2014 #57

That Jezebel article irks me. Nine Feb 2014 #87

The VF article was written by a friend of Mia's. And I agree that it's dishonest. The writer El_Johns Feb 2014 #99

Yup. Here's another example of the article's dishonesty. Nine Feb 2014 #106

She used steel turkey skewers and a steak knife....not "toothpicks".... msanthrope Feb 2014 #122

A toothpick? Very different. El_Johns Feb 2014 #132

If this post is an attempt to defend Woody Allen, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #86

I don't know what the truth is but for him dismiss it out of hand is not fair. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #43

The report of the investigation certainly dismissed it out of hand Major Nikon Feb 2014 #83

To be fair just because a group of experts say it did not happen does not mean it did not happen. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #88

Which I conceded Major Nikon Feb 2014 #89

Well I suppose we will never know and people will fall into camps. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #90

Yes, because of course a brother would know. *snark* And it would have occurred in the open. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #82

What he REALLY pipi_k Feb 2014 #84

Well then, case closed. (Assuming Moses was with either Dylan or Woody 24/7) (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #85

Funny..this was the child Mia Farrow made available to the press when this all went down.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #91

There's a lot to think about Major Nikon Feb 2014 #95

Waiting for 2-3 days makes me question much about her actions ... polly7 Feb 2014 #96

I have no doubt that Dylan was victimized Major Nikon Feb 2014 #97

I probably shouldn't mention this, but I grew up with a mother who sounds so much like polly7 Feb 2014 #98

It was the same with me Major Nikon Feb 2014 #100

Same here! My dad never knew how bad it was (that I know of) .... she was very careful. polly7 Feb 2014 #101

sounds like Woody- who was crazy enough to add 3 kids to that huge brood and beat Ronan in front of bettyellen Feb 2014 #108

Who exactly are you laughing at? polly7 Feb 2014 #110

Yet you minimize the documented physical abuse - Allen beating Ronan? And converse about fantasy bettyellen Feb 2014 #124

I minimized NOTHING. polly7 Feb 2014 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #104

Indeed...there's a lot to consider. I've indicated that I have a close relative who was one of the msanthrope Feb 2014 #109

1) I have no idea what went on in their family. 2) I sure as hell didn't share with my brothers. Hekate Feb 2014 #107

nobody is immune to denial, I suppose eShirl Feb 2014 #115