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seveneyes

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129. my thinking

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:49 PM

Feb 2014

If there were no way for a criminal to hide their weapon, they would likely not carry one. I was being a smart ass, they would probably sell them to some other unsuspecting person rather than turn them in.

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What would happen if there was an App to tell you who was carrying a gun near you? [View all] IdaBriggs Feb 2014 OP

Undercover cops/govt agents would ban it The Straight Story Feb 2014 #1

So if it was developed, you believe "the App Store" IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #3

pro-government anti-citizen folks would protest it's use The Straight Story Feb 2014 #11

So both sides would hate it. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #18

Anything that detracts from the rights of govt is a problem (citizens though is fine) The Straight Story Feb 2014 #27

Orwellian totalitarianism. nt alp227 Feb 2014 #2

Please clarify. nt IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #4

It's none of my business what other people want to carry. nt alp227 Feb 2014 #19

How would such an App work? MineralMan Feb 2014 #5

This is a hypothetical discussion, with a focus on "civil liberty" issues. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #10

But, such an App isn't possible. MineralMan Feb 2014 #13

When the discussion started, an active RFID chip wasn't in the original specs. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #20

an RFID chip in every firearm SHOULD be the law of the land. n/t PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #84

waste of time to discuss except you are discussing. Whisp Feb 2014 #30

Well, there is that... MineralMan Feb 2014 #32

Oh, it may be possible. randome Feb 2014 #45

I'm not seeing the potential for developing such MineralMan Feb 2014 #52

Probably not the 'near' future but I can see it happening someday. randome Feb 2014 #87

Actually, about the only technology that would MineralMan Feb 2014 #92

Through the mid-nineties, I thought the same thing about home computers. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #152

If there was magic in the world... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author onehandle Feb 2014 #29

Yes there is. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #179

Hard to carry a dog in your cell phone, though. MineralMan Feb 2014 #180

Having smart phones that could detect guns near them might MattBaggins Feb 2014 #198

Just like many traffic apps. Pholus Feb 2014 #202

I might want to get one. calimary Feb 2014 #6

Do you think you would "adjust" to the "alarm" nature as normal -- IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #22

I think I'd have it on vibrate if that was possible. calimary Feb 2014 #43

I'd find it useful. MH1 Feb 2014 #7

It might be interesting for stores to use on their merchandise to prevent theft. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #26

You mean like make every gun have an RFID chip on it so the app could read it? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #8

That would be interesting.... IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #12

Maybe make it so that if they tamper with the RFID chip, they lose their gun privileges. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #24

But how would you know? Would it have to send a "burst" - "BEING MESSED WITH IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #49

I don't see why not. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #61

RFID doesn't have a power source. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #199

Criminals losing their gun privileges seveneyes Feb 2014 #81

Yeah, I wasn't talking about criminals, cowboy. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #86

Since it was in response to this comment... seveneyes Feb 2014 #93

Well, I was talking about the "law abiding citizens" that carry guns. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #104

Criminal don't usually have gun privileges to start with. hack89 Feb 2014 #101

It would be harder to "opt out" law enforcement if we just use "shape recognition." IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #113

So everyone is going to walk around with body scanning technology? hack89 Feb 2014 #127

We Would Probably Need A 'Conceal & Carry' Law Passed To Have That App On Our Phone.....nt global1 Feb 2014 #9

Would it be covered under "free speech" --as in, IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #50

I live in Virginia, so it would probably ping nonstop and wear out my battery.... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #14

Ah, the car alarm theory. (nods sagely) IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #54

I like the idea, plus add.. PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #15

lol! Whisp Feb 2014 #25

On the screen? Or as you point your phone, it would "arrow" at you? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #55

hologram over your head irl PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #65

Whose rights? Their rights to carry a gun or my right to not be Cleita Feb 2014 #16

Oh. Brother. No wonder the world is so fucked up. geckosfeet Feb 2014 #37

Interesting. Could be odd in a restaurant....? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #57

Privacy violation. nt hack89 Feb 2014 #17

Valid answer - you think it would be like "x-ray goggles" (if they worked) IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #59

It implies a huge government database being shared with everyone hack89 Feb 2014 #95

Gangsters would know who to mug when they needed a gun. hunter Feb 2014 #21

You just destroyed the gun ownership excuse of needing firearms Cleita Feb 2014 #31

Would gangsters stop, if they were in a store and their App was going off? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #60

I have a couple of very funny stories about that... hunter Feb 2014 #126

Very interesting question! n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #23

Thank you! IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #62

How would it know? Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #28

X-ray glasses using the phones camera app. ileus Feb 2014 #36

They used to advertise xray glasses in comic books 50 years ago? But they were for perverts. Hoyt Feb 2014 #128

Well what kind of folks do you think want to know what's stuffed in your pants? ileus Feb 2014 #157

How do we know the chemical composition and makeup of planets hundreds of light years away? randome Feb 2014 #48

Okay... Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #68

Where can I reach you? Never mind, I'll look it up. randome Feb 2014 #91

Love that show! Hadn't been thinking of it when I wrote the post, but... IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #125

It would. And if we manage to survive climate change, technology will only get better. randome Feb 2014 #176

Options discussed so far -- IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #69

Not really. Where I live, half the people are probably armed anyway. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #73

Okay when I first read this I assumed YarnAddict Feb 2014 #79

When I first started thinking of it, it would just let you know if there was a gun near you. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #116

You would probably know if someone was carrying YarnAddict Feb 2014 #148

I wouldn't care .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #172

Facial recognition matched to a database...could yield just suspected gun carriers HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #181

Open Carry would become default mode. ileus Feb 2014 #33

^this^ Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #47

Moranic. How would it know? At best it would tell who is licensed to carry. geckosfeet Feb 2014 #34

So, you think if it can *identify* the people around you (face recognition?) IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #75

rfid on the firearm makes some sense geckosfeet Feb 2014 #165

Eventually, all weapons sold will contain identification chips. onehandle Feb 2014 #35

That last acronyms/word is a mouthful. Cleita Feb 2014 #39

I think you're right marions ghost Feb 2014 #66

Sadly, my first reaction was "wow, that is more fantasy than my original post!" IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #77

And a thriving black market of chipless guns will spring up hack89 Feb 2014 #108

I just assume that anyway, but I don't feel unsafe. cali Feb 2014 #38

Not a popcorn thrower, eh? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #82

What would be the point?... TeeYiYi Feb 2014 #40

So it would "beep" (or whatever) and kill your battery. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #83

I think chips in a gun are a good idea. Folks have the right to know a gun toting yahoo is nearby. Hoyt Feb 2014 #41

Couldn't a chip be removed? I would prefer something like a Geiger counter or Cleita Feb 2014 #42

I'm fine with that too. Of course, I thought all those gun fanciers are "law-abiding." Hoyt Feb 2014 #51

That could work too. I just think we need something. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #72

Metal doesn't give off a signal like radiation. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #200

Folks have the right to know a gun toting yahoo is nearby. sked14 Feb 2014 #46

Well, Sked, in most cases I can tell. But, in those cases where the signs aren't obvious, I see Hoyt Feb 2014 #56

You said that people have a right to know, sked14 Feb 2014 #63

It's in the Declaration of Independence. Cleita Feb 2014 #85

It still doesn't give the public the right to know what an individual has sked14 Feb 2014 #89

Why not, if they are carrying something like a gun in a public area? Hoyt Feb 2014 #115

Because it would violate the 4th Amendment, that's why. sked14 Feb 2014 #117

So, how do open carry states get by with it? Besides, you clearly don't understand the Constitution. Hoyt Feb 2014 #121

I beg to differ sir, sked14 Feb 2014 #130

The Bill of Rights protects you from government, not from the 95+% of society who Hoyt Feb 2014 #135

Man oh man, sked14 Feb 2014 #142

Yes, I have the right to know when someone is callous enough to strap a gun or two on to venture out Hoyt Feb 2014 #149

So we've gone full circle here, sked14 Feb 2014 #153

I'm claiming I have the right, the laws need to catch up, not stay in 1950s protecting Hoyt Feb 2014 #154

You can claim you have the right from a pedestal in Central Park in NYC, sked14 Feb 2014 #158

I have no respect for toted gunz, so I don't worry about spelling it "guns." Similarly, Hoyt Feb 2014 #160

Ok, but it just looks silly to me. sked14 Feb 2014 #162

As does your promotion/defense of gunz to me. Hoyt Feb 2014 #164

I'm not promoting/defending anything except one's right to privacy. sked14 Feb 2014 #166

Per chance, sked14 Feb 2014 #159

Nope, I walk up and in my best crusty pirate whisper in their ear, "r u an undercover agent, or Hoyt Feb 2014 #163

Very good satire, sked14 Feb 2014 #167

Not only that, he thinks people should try and detain them: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #169

I hope nobody took his advice, sked14 Feb 2014 #170

Hoyt's pronunciamentos re guns are usually of similar quality... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #171

I just give gun fanciers the respect they deserve. But sans gunz, I love you guys. Hoyt Feb 2014 #192

If he practiced what he preached... NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #204

Ha. Look at it this way - they do and they are. But they have privacy geckosfeet Feb 2014 #168

You want those with CCW's to have to wear something Identifying themselves? sked14 Feb 2014 #147

No, it's not oldhippie Feb 2014 #173

Look on page 1, paragraph 2 of the pdf I have linked to. Cleita Feb 2014 #185

I did, and your phrase is not there ...... oldhippie Feb 2014 #186

Good catch, I missed it, sked14 Feb 2014 #188

Fer chrissakes, the lack of quotes were because I was paraphrasing. Cleita Feb 2014 #190

It still does not give you the right to know what others have on their person. sked14 Feb 2014 #187

It gives me the right to be safe and protected from those who would Cleita Feb 2014 #189

But it still doesn't give you the right to know what others are carrying sked14 Feb 2014 #191

If it's something that can kill me? It better give me the right. Cleita Feb 2014 #193

No, I don't like open carry, it causes too much angst with people. sked14 Feb 2014 #194

Ok, I walk up to you - NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #205

You would have the right to know I'm carrying it and I think Cleita Feb 2014 #206

Well, in response to your app - NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #208

I don't think an amendment is necessary. I think you ought to be forced to wear a shirt with Hoyt Feb 2014 #96

Why not just tatoo those that carry? sked14 Feb 2014 #100

Some yahoo toters do tatoo gunz, and other signs of bigotry, on themselves. Hoyt Feb 2014 #103

But that's their chose, they're not forced to do so, sked14 Feb 2014 #112

Why not? We deserve to know, and some states have taken that position by requiring open carry. Hoyt Feb 2014 #114

You've gone from right to know to deserve to know. sked14 Feb 2014 #120

Public toting is an affront to society. Hoyt Feb 2014 #124

That's an opinion. sked14 Feb 2014 #134

Of course it is an opinion, as are yours that promote more gunz in more places. Hoyt Feb 2014 #138

Would not make a difference to me. MicaelS Feb 2014 #44

The stickers on your car thing - that bothers me a bit. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #88

It's not that I'm worried about confrontations as much as MicaelS Feb 2014 #122

"What would people do with a phone app --" IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #182

Personally sarisataka Feb 2014 #53

You could set it to make a repulsive sign/sound when it detects a gun toter. Hoyt Feb 2014 #58

I assume the "alerts" could be customized for each user. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #94

The sounds are limitless and are becoming more appealing as we flesh this out. Hoyt Feb 2014 #98

As entertaing as that would be sarisataka Feb 2014 #99

That is an interesting take -- in the "be aware/stay safe" department. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #90

I assume you mean notice as i go anout sarisataka Feb 2014 #110

Long arms in inappropriate places - schools, grocery stores, restaurants, shopping malls, etc. - IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #119

School would be an alarm sarisataka Feb 2014 #143

In my "territory"... tosh Feb 2014 #64

So the "car alarm" boredom would set in quickly. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #97

Yes, that is my view on the privacy issue. tosh Feb 2014 #132

I'm paranoid enough already without knowing. bravenak Feb 2014 #67

How about an app for gun nuts to tell them upaloopa Feb 2014 #70

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Hoyt Feb 2014 #156

Concealed carry people would love it YarnAddict Feb 2014 #71

Ah, so you see criminals using it as a tool to identify potential targets? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #102

Yup. YarnAddict Feb 2014 #146

All the criminals using guns would turn them in to authorities seveneyes Feb 2014 #76

Do you think this App should be able to differentiate between "legal" and IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #106

my thinking seveneyes Feb 2014 #129

I'd rather have an app to show me who nearby is extremely agitated or in the midst of a psychotic Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #78

I am starting to think I might set mine for "assault weapons only." IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #107

Or an App that reads the BAC of everyone nearby, since drunk/impaired petronius Feb 2014 #118

BAC and gunz would be a double alarm. Hoyt Feb 2014 #131

Of course, if it can read BAC, then it could read "carries these nasty germs" too. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #139

No more an invasion of privacy than your hypothetical gun sensor, and likely petronius Feb 2014 #150

That even a hypothetical discussion, indirectly related to firearms brings out cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #80

And it brings out the gun fanciers/promoters/apologists too. Hoyt Feb 2014 #105

I haven't seen any name calling, but I recently put a lot of people on Ignore. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #111

You could schedule on the fly OK Corral style shoot outs!!! JoePhilly Feb 2014 #109

Oooh! That is an actual doable App, isn't it? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #123

Absolutely doable. You could set up a website with stats too. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #137

Tagged only, with paintballs? Or just zapped on the phone using game specific tools? IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #141

Do it at the Mall. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #161

Join the team *before* you arrive at the destination. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #183

Totally favor Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #133

I'd rather they chip convicted sex offenders & make an app to alert on their presence. -nt Bonx Feb 2014 #136

I would add all persons convicted of a violent crime .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #177

I wouldn't. Public registration isn't currently required for them. Bonx Feb 2014 #184

Public registration wasn't required of sex offenders at one time either. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #210

I can look that up on the internet now Generic Other Feb 2014 #209

Could this app be kept out of the hands of ATF agents? tularetom Feb 2014 #140

If they want to pay 99 cents, they can download it, too. IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #145

I don't know all that much about current gun laws. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #144

For the most part, no it isn't public, sked14 Feb 2014 #151

In that case, I would have a serious problem with it,. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #155

It started exactly as you described, and then some interesting IdaBriggs Feb 2014 #197

It's almost never public info. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #201

I live in Texas... Javaman Feb 2014 #174

Break hell, phones in Texas would melt. n/t MicaelS Feb 2014 #175

In Texas, we will have phones that shoot .... oldhippie Feb 2014 #178

Won't happen, and ultimately not a good idea BainsBane Feb 2014 #195

What you said. sked14 Feb 2014 #196

I think it would be great, especially since the RW are the ones telling us there is kestrel91316 Feb 2014 #203

So you agree with the RW about privacy? What a surprise. Nt hack89 Feb 2014 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author pacalo Feb 2014 #211

Kick. pacalo Feb 2014 #212

Even if it would work reliably and without possibility of disarmament, it violates privacy. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #213