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FBaggins

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65. It doesn't matter what we believe

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 04:17 PM

Feb 2014

Read the actual convention.

Article VIII makes clear what is allowable as "research"... explicitly including killing/taking/treating/selling the whales... and paragraph IV says "Recognizing that continuous collection and analysis of biological data in connection with the operations of factory ships and land stations are indispensable to sound and constructive management of the whale fisheries, the Contracting Governments will take all practicable measures to obtain such data."

The convention treats whales as an overfished resource that needs to recover for the purpose of more fishing... it doesn't exist to protect magificent species from harm.

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Japanese Whaling Ship Collides with Protesters (or vice versa) [View all] n2doc Feb 2014 OP

Wouldn't a review of the sonar log show who did what? nt clarice Feb 2014 #1

I know nothing about sonar logs. ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #2

I'm not really sure... clarice Feb 2014 #3

You're thinking of radar - sonar typically is for underwater objects petronius Feb 2014 #19

Eventually the Japanese will start sinking these clowns... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #4

How much whale meath do you eat? Larkspur Feb 2014 #5

+1,000 nt. clarice Feb 2014 #6

you didn't read it either did you ? NM_Birder Feb 2014 #9

The Japanese have an exception to the treaty allowing them NM_Birder Feb 2014 #7

Doesn't make it right. nt clarice Feb 2014 #10

doesn't make them poachers nor thugs. NM_Birder Feb 2014 #12

They certainly are thugs, since they murder whales. redgreenandblue Feb 2014 #53

But, since they have the legal right to do this and since their ships are under attack rustydog Feb 2014 #40

Why would they need 1000 whales Texasgal Feb 2014 #11

the treaty was approved..... NM_Birder Feb 2014 #13

Well that didn't answer my question at all Texasgal Feb 2014 #14

I am not on any research team with the Japanese NM_Birder Feb 2014 #18

I don't care if they are not "breaking the law" Texasgal Feb 2014 #21

I took a quick look at what the IWC is, NM_Birder Feb 2014 #24

Are the soviets killing 1000 whales a year? Texasgal Feb 2014 #25

well....... NM_Birder Feb 2014 #26

I read thru your link, NM_Birder Feb 2014 #27

There is no research AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #43

which treaties ? NM_Birder Feb 2014 #55

The global moratorium on whaling AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #56

Still not entirely sure if Japan is even a member of the IWC ? NM_Birder Feb 2014 #57

No there aren't AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #58

I'm learning a lot more about whaling and the moratoriums than I expected. NM_Birder Feb 2014 #59

That's simply wrong. FBaggins Feb 2014 #62

Are you going to say, with a straight face, that the whalers are doing "research" .... Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2014 #15

Yeah, research with Texasgal Feb 2014 #17

No, I'll say correctly... NM_Birder Feb 2014 #20

So you believe they are harvesting them for research purposes?? AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #60

read my other answer, to your last post. NM_Birder Feb 2014 #61

It doesn't matter what we believe FBaggins Feb 2014 #65

Yep... it just isn't the type of research you expect FBaggins Feb 2014 #28

In 1986 the IWC issued a moratorium on commercial whaling in 1986. indie9197 Feb 2014 #16

Your post, made me really curious about the moratorium NM_Birder Feb 2014 #22

None, no they are not, and how do you know they are thugs? Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #8

They are soulless murderers! MoonRiver Feb 2014 #34

Clowns? WTF CreekDog Feb 2014 #33

Seems accurate to me. The difference is that in real life... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #35

who is the criminally negligent jackass? CreekDog Feb 2014 #36

I was thinking Paul Watson, but any of their leaders will do. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #41

he's not with Sea Shepherd anymore CreekDog Feb 2014 #48

I've read that blanket condemnations of that which we know little about is due mainly... LanternWaste Feb 2014 #63

I don't need the captain's name to condemn gross negligence. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #66

Check your history. Only, and I say ONLY the respect for life keeps the whalers flvegan Feb 2014 #39

Nah I'd expect them to unleash the Special Boarding Unit on them. TheMightyFavog Feb 2014 #42

Looking at the Video... Xyzse Feb 2014 #23

Generally I agree. FBaggins Feb 2014 #29

Wait, really? I thought the video I saw was from the SS Xyzse Feb 2014 #30

My apologies FBaggins Feb 2014 #31

Not a problem. I could get easily confused. Xyzse Feb 2014 #32

And as soon as the Japanese comply with international whaling regulations and treaties CreekDog Feb 2014 #37

unless i am wrong they are in compliance Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2014 #45

no they aren't. CreekDog Feb 2014 #46

oh the 'research' is most likely bullshit for the most part Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2014 #47

if it's bullshit, then it's not legal CreekDog Feb 2014 #49

its arguable Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2014 #50

Of course they are FBaggins Feb 2014 #51

Illegal Japanese whaling vessel vs. a possible illegal ramming sakabatou Feb 2014 #38

This has happened several times. These are avoidable collisions. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #44

They are avoidable by refraining from whaling. redgreenandblue Feb 2014 #54

Much as when we "put" ourselves into the NSA's surveillance protocols merely by calling family membe LanternWaste Feb 2014 #64

Fuck the barbaric whale poachers! Their slaughter needs to be stopped. Justitia Feb 2014 #52