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TheKentuckian

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42. You may ask. I don't think 60 is ancient or anything, it seems right around the corner.
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:12 PM
Feb 2014

I'm 41. What I am saying is most of us will be on the scrap heap capable or not whether we want to contribute more or feel we have given all we have and no, I don't think I will be anywhere nearly as capable even in ten years much less twenty so seen from a pretty cold and ruthless point of view, deservedly so. No question someone will be cheaper and at least nearly as effective (if not more so) and I become a "business decision".

My mind is exhausted every day, the body follows the mind, the spirit wears down in the grind and stress. Pace and ever increasing demands and loftier goals are a factor that can't be ignored.

I can't identify anyone 60 or above in any position I can reasonably aspire to, all of those close to the edge express no expectation of long term viability, the whole game is to get out be it to full blown early retirement or doing something less demanding and being in position to get on with the lower pay that is to come with that.

No, I am not at my peak.

The days of 18 hour days rolling off my back are past. I'm not hunting for that start up to make a mark in. I'm not going to stand up to working a month straight very well.
My can do is more about I can do it than running through any walls.
I have been through too much and seen to much for much faith and the extra gear such hope allows for.
My focus wanders.
Too many times I just wanna go home.
I rankle under the 25 bosses (all but one younger up to and including my VP and the one older there for the love not the paycheck and only temporarily).

No, now I get by on a what is between my ears (when not smashed to mush from the grind) good work ethic (but only a shadow of 10-15 years ago), knowledge, and experience. Still, useful and plausibly advanceable but the scrap heap is coming at least in this organization and probably for the line of work, if it exists as is which is doubtful too.

I think your frame of reference is privileged on this dealing not labor nor high levels of moment to moment stress nor rapidly evolving demands nor jobs greatly impacted by productivity demands nor the lack of security in a position most folks have to live under or even just normal life expectancy (much less below average like say a black male like me).

Most folks don't have the opportunities or expectations your perspective generates and I don't begrudge it, I hope that I hit some of the "lottery" and get some pieces of that pie but I'm not going to sit here and conflate exception with reality in hopes of it.

My advise for you, your husband, and father in law continues to be to keep doing what makes you happy but to keep in mind most are not as blessed. Most don't have the opportunities even if health and desire are no issue.
Hell, most aren't going to be 94 to be bored for any decades and some can find meaning in their lives and be fruitful with out punching any body's clock.

All of that said, your challenge is to create demand for labor. You demonstrate that we need more or even a stable rate of labor participation and reality will cause me to reevaluate but right now the conversation is a joke or desperately whistling past the graveyard because for right now and as far as anyone can project the need for labor diminishes.

How do you want to divide the pie and how long do you anticipate you can hold on to the current paradigm are the questions and anecdotes about statistical outliers won't cut it. Hubby's pop is exceptional, easily at least in the top 20% of health maybe closer to the 1% and so is hubby it sounds like from a combination of his own efforts leveraged with pretty good genetics.
Hubby also is in a position that age is a benefit until hits some of the actual impairment kicks in unless one allows themselves to become old in the heart and mind and increasingly out of touch.

Even with that said, Hubby is holding up better than average not just in health but in spirit with much passion and enjoyment. He might even gravitate toward younger peers and it sounds like relates to his students above the average (probably nothing new there either, I'd bet).
No one questions he has more in the tank or that he is exactly where he wants to be. More power to him, we say in unison. What you have to accept is the ride is not the average experience.

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Kick for the jobless. CK_John Feb 2014 #1
We won't have a nominee then... former9thward Feb 2014 #2
By then it will be the self evident solution. I'm worried Mitt will advocate it. CK_John Feb 2014 #3
Still flogging this? It ain't gonna happen. Throd Feb 2014 #4
It has to happen. CK_John Feb 2014 #7
I've seen you state your case several times, but I still don't see any merit. Throd Feb 2014 #9
You have the POTUS begging corp to hire long term unemployed, you have million going homeless CK_John Feb 2014 #10
OK - that covers the why leftynyc Feb 2014 #40
Would probably have to lift the cap and madville Feb 2014 #5
Triple wouldn't do it. joeglow3 Feb 2014 #29
So people can become irrelevant in this society earlier? frazzled Feb 2014 #6
We have millions begging the senate to renew jobless benefits why not give them a respectable CK_John Feb 2014 #8
Simple solution...keep working if you please. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #11
Not so easy: when you redefine "retirement age" down ... frazzled Feb 2014 #12
That is already the way it is because 50 year olds have experience, obligations, and time in TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #32
May I ask how old you are? frazzled Feb 2014 #33
You may ask. I don't think 60 is ancient or anything, it seems right around the corner. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #42
Will be 74 next month. CK_John Feb 2014 #44
So what? What you're argument boils down to "fuck the people already down, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #14
Not what I said, Thugmeister frazzled Feb 2014 #22
No one is going to advocate that. RB TexLa Feb 2014 #13
That is the most incredibly stupid thing I've ever read on DU. Coyotl Feb 2014 #15
Then you were not here to see the poo-savers. AngryAmish Feb 2014 #16
That's actually a good idea Coyotl Feb 2014 #18
"And everyone would save their poo for collection." name not needed Feb 2014 #20
LOL ... great gif! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #35
I have cataract surgery Fri morning but your vision is a lot worse. CK_John Feb 2014 #17
I don't agree with your political prediction, but TOTALLY agree with LOWERING Social Security age Matariki Feb 2014 #19
Pass the idea along to your Congress critters and to your favorite talking head. Let know CK_John Feb 2014 #21
Here's a clue: NOBODY will advocate lowering retirement to 50... brooklynite Feb 2014 #23
Because Mitt might or another GOP candidate who knows it is needed and needs to happen. CK_John Feb 2014 #25
1) Mitt's not running...2) what shred of analysis tells you a Republican would advocate this? brooklynite Feb 2014 #28
They want to win. CK_John Feb 2014 #45
How do we pay for this idea? taught_me_patience Feb 2014 #24
The same way we pay for a dacade of war. Money happens when needed. CK_John Feb 2014 #26
So, borrow from china? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #30
I think the age should be lowered, but not to 50 Renew Deal Feb 2014 #27
Don't let perfection get in the way of the possible. CK_John Feb 2014 #31
I'm actually more in line with between 58 and 62 but TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #34
I think 62 is doable ... again. Wasn't that the age originally ... ? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #37
Yes, add a bunch of retiress because TPP will displace them from the workforce, right? X_Digger Feb 2014 #36
Boring... CK_John Feb 2014 #46
Yes, your continued flogging of this bullshit is boring. n/t X_Digger Feb 2014 #56
Maybe. Provided we require schools to stop offering math classes in the meantime. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #38
50 is too young. I take it you are still fairly young. SomethingFishy Feb 2014 #39
Being eligible for benefits and mandatory retirement aren't the same thing. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #43
It would be choice, just it is now and you can also work while on SocSec. CK_John Feb 2014 #47
I predict that nobody will advocate that at all. MineralMan Feb 2014 #41
It will be the self event solution, I would like for us to get out ahead of it.. CK_John Feb 2014 #49
Actually, it's not self-evident at all. MineralMan Feb 2014 #50
If Sen Sanders is a real socialist, he should jump on this. But I fear he is just a gas bag. CK_John Feb 2014 #52
Is that what you fear? C'est pour rire. MineralMan Feb 2014 #53
That will never happen and personally I think 50 is too young. MoonRiver Feb 2014 #48
No, I think that is going in the wrong direction, sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #51
The wrong direction? Productivity is at all time high trending with unemployment. Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #55
I know it's hopeless but: show me the math Proud Public Servant Feb 2014 #54
Don't expect a cogent answer. X_Digger Feb 2014 #57
How did we pay for over 10 yrs of war. At the national level money is a concept and will appear when CK_John Feb 2014 #60
So the candidate who says Proud Public Servant Feb 2014 #63
That's my opinion, The candidate who brings up reducing SS age to 50yr will win. CK_John Feb 2014 #64
What is the current SS retirement age? DURHAM D Feb 2014 #58
I took SS at 62., 65 for most but months have been aidded in the last couple yrs. CK_John Feb 2014 #61
After two days, you haven't convinced anyone, and nobody's convinced you... brooklynite Feb 2014 #59
I just had cataract surgery this morning and have a new outlook on this problem. CK_John Feb 2014 #62
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