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leftynyc

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18. That was a very interesting post

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 08:40 AM

Feb 2014

While I agree that the law wasn't passed for racial reason (and therefore is not a racist law), it does appear that when the victim is a minority, the acquittal rate is statistically higher:

Acquittal rate for white on white: 58.8% (51 cases, 30 justified)
for white on minority: 83.3% (12 cases, 10 justified)
p-value: 0.0694

It does seem to matter more what race the victim is rather than who the defendant is.

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Florida Man Uses Stand Your Ground Defense in Killing of Black Teen Over Loud Music [View all] MrScorpio Feb 2014 OP

Why not? SYG defenses have like a 1.000 batting average the past couple of years... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #1

Let's look at some actual data that proves that SYG is NOT a get out of jail free card. ... spin Feb 2014 #10

That's just Florida in the last 6 years... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #11

Do I feel the SYG law in Florida could be better written? ... spin Feb 2014 #14

There have been even more egregious cases than that recently Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #22

In my opinion the basic idea of the law is solid. ... spin Feb 2014 #31

AFAIC, Zimmerman is white Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #32

Technically Zimmerman is a mix. His mother was born in Peru and his father is white. ... spin Feb 2014 #34

Zimmerman is white? phil89 Feb 2014 #53

For all intents and purposes, he certainly was for the trial Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #63

Better writen my ass bigdarryl Feb 2014 #23

That's not going to happen in Florida. ... spin Feb 2014 #33

This Floridian does not XRubicon Feb 2014 #39

I firmly support the basic concept of the law as I said. ... spin Feb 2014 #43

Zimmerman's phil89 Feb 2014 #51

Is there a racial breakdown leftynyc Feb 2014 #16

I wrote a post on this a while ago. Bazinga Feb 2014 #17

That was a very interesting post leftynyc Feb 2014 #18

The numbers don't mean much without knowing the exact Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #19

Could you elaborate... sarisataka Feb 2014 #24

Statistics are meaningless without context since all the variables differ Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #25

That helps sarisataka Feb 2014 #27

Likewise, the context is meaningless without the statistics. Bazinga Feb 2014 #58

There *is* a racial disparity Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #62

I thought the question was SYG cases. Bazinga Feb 2014 #64

I'm not attempting to discount anything Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #67

I do appreciate your input. Bazinga Feb 2014 #72

Your #6 in post 25 might explain the disparity. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #65

The report allows you to sort the data in many different ways. ... spin Feb 2014 #35

wow I'm shocked steve2470 Feb 2014 #2

SYG should not apply in this case Gothmog Feb 2014 #3

Worked for Zimmerman, and that was clearly an abuse of the law... joeybee12 Feb 2014 #4

No it didn't proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #6

Not entirely true etherealtruth Feb 2014 #7

Perhaps you should read this excellent article on the subject. ... spin Feb 2014 #12

It is a good article and does expalin the law etherealtruth Feb 2014 #15

It was the prosecution's job to prove to the jury that Zimmerman was guilty beyond ... spin Feb 2014 #36

I quite clearly understand the difference between legal guilt and not guilty (vs innocence) etherealtruth Feb 2014 #37

I will agree that juries often make questionable decisions. ... spin Feb 2014 #42

Zimmerman did not use a stand your ground defense. ... spin Feb 2014 #9

Correct, he didn't have to ... it was applied to jury instructions by judge uponit7771 Feb 2014 #20

It was indeed part of the jury instructions. ... spin Feb 2014 #44

But it was still mentioned a million times in the media Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #45

The media often makes it difficult to hold a fair trial. A high publicity case can get ... spin Feb 2014 #47

If the "feared for my life" defense worked for Zimmerman Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #61

Zimmerman's trial phil89 Feb 2014 #52

Any racist idiot (or just plain idiot with a gun) etherealtruth Feb 2014 #5

I agree gollygee Feb 2014 #28

Why Even Go Up to the Car erpowers Feb 2014 #8

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #46

They should change the name to "White Asshole With a Gun" defense ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #13

Truth. n/t PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #49

Stand Your Ground = Lynching With Lead law uponit7771 Feb 2014 #21

So, being annoyed constitutes fear for your life? shenmue Feb 2014 #26

What changed? I don't believe he's using SYG JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #29

Yes, this appears to be speculation at this point. DirkGently Feb 2014 #40

Justifiable Use Of Deadly Force JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #41

Another stupid asshole who should not have been allowed to have and carry any gun. L0oniX Feb 2014 #30

I don't think this will work in this case, but could start vicious cycle gerogie2 Feb 2014 #38

A lot of 2nd amendment types lapfog_1 Feb 2014 #56

The defense declined to use Stand Your Ground madville Feb 2014 #48

Rescind the 2nd amendment, NOW!!!! n/t PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #50

Not happening. Now. nt Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #66

Suppose (which is doubtful) that there was a gun in the car and so someone was posing a threat. Vattel Feb 2014 #54

Sickening. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #55

Another hero to the gunner shitheads: killing black teenagers is their favorite pasttime alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #57

This fuck deserves to spend the rest of his worthless fucking life in jail. Stinky The Clown Feb 2014 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #60

Can't help but think that if there was no SYG law in Florida, Dunn would of IsItJustMe Feb 2014 #68

Prosecutors: Fla. teen�s slaying was premeditated Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #69

Jordan Davis case: Police say 9 bullet holes found in loud music SUV Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #70

he might have beaten the rap if he'd done like Zimbo and left no witnesses Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #71

�I hate that thug music,� white man told fianc�e moments before gunning down black teen Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #73