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Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. Meaningless jargon. Folks tossed around 'I'm a pragmatist' to dress up their opposition to equality
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:40 AM
Feb 2014

for years all we heard was 'don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, marriage equality is impossible, for at least a generation, no President could support it and be elected again, change is always slow, we have to be realistic and understand that Civil Unions are the best we can get until enough of the older generation dies off.....baby steps, don't be a purist, give up on your rights now'.
Of course they were wrong.
2003 example is as good as a thousand others.
" I see no issue w/ gay marriage, but I'm willing to be pragmatic
Since legalizing gay marriage would only concern civil marriage, I, in principle, am not at all opposed. However, I also think that among the general public there is a major association between the term "marriage" and the sacred religious institution, even when discussing civil marriage.

For that reason, I'm willing to support civil unions intead of gay marriage, at least as an interim solution for the next few decades. Politically, I think what needs to be enacted is the best possible solution that can be passed. Gay marriage cannot -- at least not yet. Civil unions (which is civil marriage under a different name)."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=145943&mesg_id=146400

Civil Unions for the next few decades....to be pragmatic!!!!!!! Hilarious. And yet they continue to use this jargon. Dated, disproven and utterly nonsensical jargon.


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Call it pragmatists versus purists. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #1
It's more a matter of social class than anything Fumesucker Feb 2014 #3
Then why help Joe Sixpack be protected from pre existing conditions? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #5
I never said anything about Democrats or Republicans Fumesucker Feb 2014 #10
Call it People-centric versus corporate-centric. Scuba Feb 2014 #4
The purist label goes to those who will decry compromise at all turns. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #7
So then Elizabeth Warren and her supporters are NOT purists, as we are willing to compromise. Scuba Feb 2014 #8
They are not ... but many of their loudest supporters are. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #11
I disagree with the "very little" conclusion. Just in appointing regulators ... Scuba Feb 2014 #14
The article mentions "liberals versus centrists, populists versus the corporate wing." Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #20
The article says "Call it what you will" ... so I did. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #22
So much is said in choice of terminlogy. n/t Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #28
I don't decry compromise, nor does hardly any other Liberal tkmorris Feb 2014 #16
that would be inaccurate. Warren isn't a purist, neither is Sanders or de Blasio cali Feb 2014 #9
They are not ... many of their loudest supporters are. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #12
Of course they'd have to make deals. cali Feb 2014 #18
N.Y. Mayor At Closed AIPAC Gala: Part Of My Job Is To Defend Israel ProSense Feb 2014 #21
Such a black/white, up/down Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #13
I used the same binary structure that the OP refers to from the article ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #15
Meaningless jargon. Folks tossed around 'I'm a pragmatist' to dress up their opposition to equality Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #17
Ahh ... your preferred stick. Or should I say Schtick. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #37
I prefer prostitutes vs true believers. It's so much easier to be a pragmatist when your so-called jtuck004 Feb 2014 #24
Is this why Americans get war spending & wars while the REST of the industrialized world think Feb 2014 #27
Pragmatic means doing what works for your interests. Looks like a big Fail for "centrism" Armstead Feb 2014 #29
Corporations vs the people AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #36
We are fractured, and that's a big part of it el_bryanto Feb 2014 #2
It's like the plot from Iron Man 3 Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #6
the most important point is made in Paragraph 16 Enrique Feb 2014 #19
Damn, where does that leave... freebrew Feb 2014 #23
Money does. Octafish Feb 2014 #25
Good piece but, quite frankly, I'm tired of the argument wyldwolf Feb 2014 #26
In my lifetime (60 or so years)... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #30
August, 1968. That's when the Party leaders made it clear they would rather lose Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #31
To wit... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #32
I'm a huge fan of Warren, de Blasio and Bernie Sanders. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #33
cuase the 'blogger class' has SO MUCH POWER!11 xchrom Feb 2014 #34
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men... Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #35
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