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Like It or Not, Glenn Greenwald Is Now the Face of the 1st Amendment [View all] Titonwan Feb 2014 OP

I completely agree. As Rachel Maddow said, journalists are not terrorists. closeupready Feb 2014 #1

They are terrorists to various governments around the world - including ours. RC Feb 2014 #101

They do as much damage as terrorists when they fail to tell the truth and spread misinformation. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #103

So wait! Are you saying, you think journalists can be terrorists? closeupready Feb 2014 #114

There are precedents for smear campaigns of this sort. Titonwan Feb 2014 #2

Only Greenwald, not Snowden? merrily Feb 2014 #3

Because the point is about journalism, not whistle blowing. Titonwan Feb 2014 #11

What does Gellmon have to do with my post? merrily Feb 2014 #14

I'm not here for thanks. Titonwan Feb 2014 #21

Good. Then I won't disappoint you. merrily Feb 2014 #31

How much money did the Ellsberg journalist make from the Pentagon Papers? MADem Feb 2014 #73

And yet Daniel Ellsberg thinks what Glenn and Ed has done Titonwan Feb 2014 #76

Gee, maybe he likes Nutella and the Beach Boys, too? MADem Feb 2014 #86

Here. You can buy the NYT reporter's book on the Pentagon Papers: Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2014 #123

I remember reading them for free--before the internet! MADem Feb 2014 #187

"Gee, maybe he likes Nutella and the Beach Boys, too?" merrily Feb 2014 #127

It's said to suggest that opinions are like opinions--everyone's got at least one. MADem Feb 2014 #190

He wouldn't have thought so 20 or 30 years ago. George II Feb 2014 #97

Because you actually live in Daniel's head. Titonwan Feb 2014 #146

Like YOU do, of course.... MADem Feb 2014 #192

Ellsberg wasn't the reporter. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #83

My reference was to the NYT "Ellsberg journalist"--not Ellsberg. MADem Feb 2014 #88

"idiots who don't know how to use the available whistleblower procedures" 2banon Feb 2014 #100

Just because you insist otherwise, it DOES apply. MADem Feb 2014 #183

What is this magic procedure? reusrename Feb 2014 #115

Love how people praise the "free press" when it suits the argument, but calls 'em the MADem Feb 2014 #186

Let me try this again. What is this magic procedure? reusrename Feb 2014 #202

I just told you. If you choose to not read what I write, that's your issue. MADem Feb 2014 #203

I'm sorry, I totally missed that. But what could Rand Paul do? reusrename Feb 2014 #204

They BOTH are cleared to access most if not all of the information ES possessed. MADem Feb 2014 #207

I hate to admit it, but I sort of agree with what you just said there. reusrename Feb 2014 #209

You're seeing the nuance in my argument--thank heavens! MADem Feb 2014 #210

Oh my god. Yes, someone other than the MIC might be cashing in. Pholus Feb 2014 #152

Not the thread winner Titonwan Feb 2014 #154

Lots of people are cashing in--and the MIC will get their taste, too. MADem Feb 2014 #182

Accusations of projection.... Pholus Feb 2014 #189

You're the one that tried to suggest I must be drunk or something--and that's projection. MADem Feb 2014 #191

I always do. Thanks. Pholus Feb 2014 #200

You missed the mark entirely! Don't be "sorry"--at least not for that reason! MADem Feb 2014 #201

Oh yes, I missed the mark. Pholus Feb 2014 #220

The First Amendment is much more applicable to Greenwald... ljm2002 Feb 2014 #16

I am not a fan of GG mimi85 Feb 2014 #45

Ellsberg said himself that, if it were today, he would have "jumped ship." merrily Feb 2014 #136

Ed knew full well the possible consequences... Titonwan Feb 2014 #151

Thank you very much. merrily Feb 2014 #66

We've seen these 'conservative' Supremes at work. Titonwan Feb 2014 #70

+1000 bravenak Feb 2014 #84

+1 merrily Feb 2014 #138

Yes. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #89

Westboro too. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #4

Westboro is the negative side of the Religious Freedoms of the 1st Amendment, not of the Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #54

All freedoms have instances of people taking it to the extreme. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #131

Really? Wow! But Westboro is not protected by press freedoms, but by religious freedoms in Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #137

Fortunately, the US Government seems to be leaving them alone. ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #181

I agree ... frazzled Feb 2014 #5

Yes, and the Constitution is the last refuge of scoundrels, closeupready Feb 2014 #10

Yeah, and extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice frazzled Feb 2014 #12

"Greenwald, as a libertarian" Titonwan Feb 2014 #20

Civil libertarian--that's what Rand Paul claims to be as well frazzled Feb 2014 #26

Yes, that's the one thing Liberals and Libertarians have in common. Titonwan Feb 2014 #32

Whoa whoa frazzled Feb 2014 #35

"Glenn Greenwald is not a liberal." Titonwan Feb 2014 #40

Although I applaud your efforts, I don't think you'll make headway with Frazzled. Maedhros Feb 2014 #107

Bill Maher is a Libertarian. Seems well-liked here. merrily Feb 2014 #125

I think that ship sailed nearly a year ago.... MADem Feb 2014 #208

Right (snort) because libertarians raise money for Democratic candidates ALL the time! Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #193

Gee, who'd think that a paleocon, xenophobic racist would view the Constitution that negatively? merrily Feb 2014 #140

Well, truth IS stranger than fiction. closeupready Feb 2014 #141

Pat Buchanan is stranger than fiction--and a lot of other things. merrily Feb 2014 #142

I like to laugh at him on the McLaughlin(g) Group Titonwan Feb 2014 #153

Yeah, what a loony 1st Amendment zealot. EOTE Feb 2014 #13

He's free to speak about whatever he wants frazzled Feb 2014 #15

He spoke about unconstitutional activities our government is engaging in EOTE Feb 2014 #28

This. ! Titonwan Feb 2014 #44

Yep...you get it. zeemike Feb 2014 #72

So, you create a strawman, hurl insults and claim it as the truth? Adrahil Feb 2014 #98

You might want to look up the definition of a strawman. EOTE Feb 2014 #110

Dude, you're creating a false argument then attacking it. STRAWMAN. Adrahil Feb 2014 #122

Dude, like, I did no such thing. Totally. EOTE Feb 2014 #124

Again you do it! Adrahil Feb 2014 #132

Again you do it! EOTE Feb 2014 #133

Daddy will protect us! Maedhros Feb 2014 #108

I know, hunh! Titonwan Feb 2014 #19

You can't miss what you don't know you don't have, right? EOTE Feb 2014 #33

Thank heaven for First Amendment zealots. merrily Feb 2014 #22

Can you believe the type of crap you hear around here? EOTE Feb 2014 #34

I'm getting used to it. merrily Feb 2014 #39

"I'm grateful as hell for both Greenwald and Snowden." Titonwan Feb 2014 #50

No, not on fire, just hot flashes. merrily Feb 2014 #134

Remember when people here were denounced as "peace purists" QC Feb 2014 #62

Yep. Because if a Democrat does it, it's good. EOTE Feb 2014 #69

For some, it's all about personalities. QC Feb 2014 #77

Or money. merrily Feb 2014 #102

So true, though we are supposed to believe that no such thing QC Feb 2014 #104

An admin said that we are supposed to believe that? merrily Feb 2014 #118

The poster you describe sounds very familiar. QC Feb 2014 #126

Turning a big ship merrily Feb 2014 #129

That's it exactly. EOTE Feb 2014 #105

It's like, "I used to think that the Fourth Amendment was important, QC Feb 2014 #109

Thread winner! Titonwan Feb 2014 #116

You saw that sloppy garage, too? What a loser Snowden is! merrily Feb 2014 #130

I'm proud to be both a "Peace Purist" as well as a "First Amendment Zeaolot." [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #112

You must be wunna them there malcontents I keep hearing about. n/t QC Feb 2014 #170

Release the :ROFL: smilies* Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #6

There are so many journalists who write unpopular things. MineralMan Feb 2014 #7

Glenn has defended some surley characters as a trial lawyer. Titonwan Feb 2014 #17

No...not just like the ACLU. He represented a white supremacist in a patent dispute with other Neo- msanthrope Feb 2014 #91

Power fears a well informed populace. Malteil Feb 2014 #85

According to Conor Friedersdorf? blue neen Feb 2014 #8

you mean the pasty white guy in undies? snooper2 Feb 2014 #9

What does skin color have to to do with it? merrily Feb 2014 #24

Huh? snooper2 Feb 2014 #29

Remember the Asian Woodcarver? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #51

Greenwald has every right to speak twice at the Cato Institute. tridim Feb 2014 #18

Of course a journalist has a right to speak at an institute. merrily Feb 2014 #23

You mean about the success of drug decriminalization in Portugal? Titonwan Feb 2014 #30

Yes, that is one of the speeches he gave at the Libertarian Cato Institute. tridim Feb 2014 #55

Were you for the wars of opportunity? Titonwan Feb 2014 #65

No, and I'm not a Libertarian like Greenwald. tridim Feb 2014 #67

Assertions require citation. Provide link, please. Titonwan Feb 2014 #74

You should really... PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #143

Thanks for that- haven't read it as of yet. Titonwan Feb 2014 #158

You're welcome. It's a brilliant response... PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #160

boy yo Titonwan Feb 2014 #164

No, and I'm not a Martian who breathes methane for sustenance like you. Titonwan Feb 2014 #149

About the failure of the "War on Drugs." Hissyspit Feb 2014 #52

And at the Socialism 2013 conference as well RufusTFirefly Feb 2014 #68

And be paid a stipend from them for months at a time to prepare "papers" for them. MADem Feb 2014 #78

What? Titonwan Feb 2014 #144

GG was paid by CATO for quite some time. MADem Feb 2014 #199

Papers? Plural papers? Could you point me to the other papers other than drug decriminalization that Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #196

What, you don't want his personal appearances, CATO podcasts, and conference attendances? MADem Feb 2014 #214

You've provided me nothing. He wrote one paper for CATO. That was a try. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #215

You obviously didn't click the links, so have a nice day! MADem Feb 2014 #216

I did. He wrote one paper for CATO. And it is a very good study. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #217

And he wrote a couple of essays for them on surveillance, and they publicized one of MADem Feb 2014 #219

ROFL... SidDithers Feb 2014 #25

An overt winger like bigot is the face of the 1a? ... ok... if conservatives say so uponit7771 Feb 2014 #27

I forgot the First Amendment protects only people who vote like you do. merrily Feb 2014 #36

1a protects peoples rights to recognize an opportunistic bigot and call him on it too uponit7771 Feb 2014 #41

You keep saying bigot Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #46

Nah, but this might - link uponit7771 Feb 2014 #61

Thanks for the link Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #64

What difference does it make if it was 6 years or 6 mins... he's a racist bigot who said he changed uponit7771 Feb 2014 #71

I'd like to read his other racist rantings Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #75

Google "greenwald racist"... plenty... and his bullshit ass'd excuses of having different uponit7771 Feb 2014 #79

I did before you responded Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #87

And truly. It is the only "example" they've got. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #99

This is false, and you really only need one without a change of heart which Greenwald has had NONE uponit7771 Feb 2014 #117

Then Hillary is a racist too. Same with Obama. Who cares if their positions evolved right? riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #166

Some people can change Titonwan Feb 2014 #168

Ah hahaha! Titonwan Feb 2014 #82

Glen hasn't "evolved" he excuses his racism with "conventional wisdom" as if EVERYONE thought like uponit7771 Feb 2014 #119

With an Izzy Award and a Polk Award, soon to be a Pulitzer Prize recipient. Titonwan Feb 2014 #169

So the President is allowed to "evolve" on the question of gay marriage . . . markpkessinger Feb 2014 #184

Sure. No one said otherwise. But that's not what you did in your prior post. merrily Feb 2014 #49

Yes that is a good way to describe him. He exposes hypocrites just by his sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #37

Ha! Titonwan Feb 2014 #58

Kind of like La Pierre is the voice of the 2nd amendment, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #38

You need to coordinate better Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #42

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2014 #43

No fair copying from Reply # 5 or the OP merrily Feb 2014 #47

Yes, and pay no mind to the ankle biters. great white snark Feb 2014 #59

Thread Winner. Just ask GG how profitable his little Cha Feb 2014 #162

Of course! Glenn and Jamie Dimon have lunch, daily. Titonwan Feb 2014 #167

... Better him than Porn ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #48

bullshit warrior1 Feb 2014 #53

He USES his sources and then tosses them away like used kleenex. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #56

Jilted much? Titonwan Feb 2014 #145

yeah..."the drama" is right! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #195

and I didn't say hankie...I said kleenex... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #197

"used kleenex" has more class than mr profiteering fuckface. Cha Feb 2014 #178

gotta hand it to ya Cha...you have a way with words! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #198

No argument here... ReRe Feb 2014 #57

I think if you agree with someone, they are not the 'face of the 1st Amendment.' for you. stevenleser Feb 2014 #60

Oh that would be a fun argument to have, who do you hate the most Fumesucker Feb 2014 #81

The title of this artcle came from the article itself. Titonwan Feb 2014 #92

And it is wrong, as I pointed out. It's completely wrong and self-serving. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #94

How is it self serving? Titonwan Feb 2014 #120

To me it's Roger Shuler NobodyHere Feb 2014 #63

Bolded sentence is self contradictory treestar Feb 2014 #80

K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #90

DURec for Greenwald, Snowden, and all the Whistle Blowers. bvar22 Feb 2014 #93

No more so than the kkk. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #95

Defending Free Speech isnt about defending speech you like, its about defending speech you hate. stevenleser Feb 2014 #96

I'm sure Mr. Greenwald would agree. Titonwan Feb 2014 #111

I'm sure he wouldn't, not as much as he whines about his detractors. He's no free speech advocate stevenleser Feb 2014 #113

I see you now. Titonwan Feb 2014 #121

His detractors are using baseless smears and ridiculous strawman arguments against him. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #150

I want what yer smokin' Titonwan Feb 2014 #157

And you prove my point. Everyone who attacks free speech has what they think is a reason to silence stevenleser Feb 2014 #180

I care about free speech. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #188

This "all opinions are equal" argument is a real pantload. reusrename Feb 2014 #211

You make a great argument against something I never posited. Try again. stevenleser Feb 2014 #221

Sure you are. You are arguing that propagandists should be defended. reusrename Feb 2014 #222

Nope, that is your strawman. In no way did I say that "all arguments are equal". stevenleser Feb 2014 #223

Bullshit leftynyc Feb 2014 #106

Well, Titonwan Feb 2014 #147

They know who Snowden is leftynyc Feb 2014 #205

The vast majority of Americans are clueless about the First Amendment. reusrename Feb 2014 #212

No - they're not leftynyc Feb 2014 #213

The attacks on Greenwald are classic examples of "Shoot the messenger". Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #128

+1! n/t markpkessinger Feb 2014 #185

I find Greenwald to be a real prick. I don't like him. I don't think he is a good person. phleshdef Feb 2014 #135

Very fair post. merrily Feb 2014 #139

I am not now and have never been a fan of Greenwald Gothmog Feb 2014 #148

If you say so. Titonwan Feb 2014 #155

Not a commie, just over-rated Gothmog Feb 2014 #159

Obviously you haven't stepped outdoors in months. Titonwan Feb 2014 #163

I am very aware of Greenwald Gothmog Feb 2014 #165

Geez, we wouldn't accept you anyway! Titonwan Feb 2014 #171

Your advise is amusing Gothmog Feb 2014 #172

Granted Titonwan Feb 2014 #174

Neither you nor Greenwald are going to impress me Gothmog Feb 2014 #176

I will. You do the same. Titonwan Feb 2014 #177

Kicked and rec'd! nt Exciting Trip Feb 2014 #156

Summary. Titonwan Feb 2014 #161

Libertarian tax cheat pornographers have a new hero. ucrdem Feb 2014 #173

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #175

He is what he is, and it isn't pretty. ucrdem Feb 2014 #179

recommend frwrfpos Feb 2014 #194

because the everyone but the Greenwald cultists can smell a rat Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #206

Not even. Scuba Feb 2014 #218