Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

OilemFirchen

(7,288 posts)
30. In my lifetime (60 or so years)...
Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:28 PM
Feb 2014

liberals have never controlled the Democratic Pray. Liberalism has influenced the party platform, and liberals have been participants in the party, but it's extremely naive to believe that they ever have been influential enough to "control" it.

That's why, as a lifetime Progressive, I've rarely had my dreams shattered by the mechanisms of realpolitik. I don't start with idealized expectations about what a party or individual will do, thus I avoid the disappointment resultant from the crushing blows of reality. Progress is progress, no matter how incremental, and I'm reasonably satisfied with the direction of government throughout the pendulum-swings of electoral politics.

I'm old enough to remember the fine liberal Republicans of my youth, and the heavy weight of the Dixiecrats. I'm also old enough to remember how the movement politics of the sixties ultimately self-destructed, partly because of the ill-conceived notion that governance could be "controlled" from the outside in. It took far too long to come to the realization that one must work within the system to influence it. More's the pity if today's Left chooses to ignore that sage wisdom.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Call it pragmatists versus purists. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #1
It's more a matter of social class than anything Fumesucker Feb 2014 #3
Then why help Joe Sixpack be protected from pre existing conditions? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #5
I never said anything about Democrats or Republicans Fumesucker Feb 2014 #10
Call it People-centric versus corporate-centric. Scuba Feb 2014 #4
The purist label goes to those who will decry compromise at all turns. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #7
So then Elizabeth Warren and her supporters are NOT purists, as we are willing to compromise. Scuba Feb 2014 #8
They are not ... but many of their loudest supporters are. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #11
I disagree with the "very little" conclusion. Just in appointing regulators ... Scuba Feb 2014 #14
The article mentions "liberals versus centrists, populists versus the corporate wing." Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #20
The article says "Call it what you will" ... so I did. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #22
So much is said in choice of terminlogy. n/t Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #28
I don't decry compromise, nor does hardly any other Liberal tkmorris Feb 2014 #16
that would be inaccurate. Warren isn't a purist, neither is Sanders or de Blasio cali Feb 2014 #9
They are not ... many of their loudest supporters are. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #12
Of course they'd have to make deals. cali Feb 2014 #18
N.Y. Mayor At Closed AIPAC Gala: Part Of My Job Is To Defend Israel ProSense Feb 2014 #21
Such a black/white, up/down Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #13
I used the same binary structure that the OP refers to from the article ... JoePhilly Feb 2014 #15
Meaningless jargon. Folks tossed around 'I'm a pragmatist' to dress up their opposition to equality Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #17
Ahh ... your preferred stick. Or should I say Schtick. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #37
I prefer prostitutes vs true believers. It's so much easier to be a pragmatist when your so-called jtuck004 Feb 2014 #24
Is this why Americans get war spending & wars while the REST of the industrialized world think Feb 2014 #27
Pragmatic means doing what works for your interests. Looks like a big Fail for "centrism" Armstead Feb 2014 #29
Corporations vs the people AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #36
We are fractured, and that's a big part of it el_bryanto Feb 2014 #2
It's like the plot from Iron Man 3 Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #6
the most important point is made in Paragraph 16 Enrique Feb 2014 #19
Damn, where does that leave... freebrew Feb 2014 #23
Money does. Octafish Feb 2014 #25
Good piece but, quite frankly, I'm tired of the argument wyldwolf Feb 2014 #26
In my lifetime (60 or so years)... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #30
August, 1968. That's when the Party leaders made it clear they would rather lose Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #31
To wit... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #32
I'm a huge fan of Warren, de Blasio and Bernie Sanders. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #33
cuase the 'blogger class' has SO MUCH POWER!11 xchrom Feb 2014 #34
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men... Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #35
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»No, Liberals Don't Contro...»Reply #30