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7. Few do ad hominem better than GREENWALD, has eviscerated any critics on the spot

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 02:58 PM

Feb 2014

He's got the definition down pat: (Oh, and the "I'm a right-wing libertarian" refers to one of the things he says he's been called, so let's not say *I* am calling him that.)

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http://ggsidedocs.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/frequently-told-lies-ftls.html

[font size=5]Frequently Told Lies (FTLs)[/font]

by Glenn GREENWALD

.... I'm a right-wing libertarian
Ever since I began writing about politics back in 2005, people have tried to apply pretty much every political [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]label[/FONT] to me. It’s almost always [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]a shorthand method to discredit someone without having to engage the substance[/FONT] of their arguments. It’s the classic [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]ad hominem[/FONT] fallacy: you don’t need to listen to or deal with his arguments because he’s an X. ....

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Like it or not, Glenn Greenwald is actually a bigot who is against immigration [View all] Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 OP

like it Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #1

OMG a guilt by association attack? Aerows Feb 2014 #10

This, from Willyt> Seems he has changed his mind, like it or not. rgbecker Feb 2014 #103

You know...the irony is that GG's fuckup caused the white supremacist to lose the Anti-Klan case. n msanthrope Feb 2014 #2

You are smarter than this Aerows Feb 2014 #17

My dear...I completely documented his fuck up... msanthrope Feb 2014 #59

And you should review the whole discussion. Aerows Feb 2014 #66

I'm still waiting for you to refute the facts. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #112

That makes two of us. n/t Aerows Feb 2014 #142

"Glenn Greenwald Unethically Taped Witnesses While Working for Matt Hale, White Supremacist." Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #3

You need to stay out of theeads on racism, given the sick things you've said DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #6

And you need to mind your own....! Your defense of GG has a very obvious & sickly bias. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #8

"Latin America is but a cyst on the anus of the world"--Tarheel_Dem, 7/5/2013 DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #22

Not that it matters, but my reference was to Latin American leaders, not the people. But, hey... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #34

Because I'm using the opportunity to tell you directly. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #57

Fuck Latin America's lame ass leaders who blame the US for all their woes. If that's "Republican", Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #62

Let me call in the backhoe Aerows Feb 2014 #69

Apparently US involvement in Latin American history wasn't on the OP's shortlist think Feb 2014 #127

All are standing tall, though Aerows Feb 2014 #129

the hate and RW rhetoric from that one is strong frwrfpos Feb 2014 #157

I will, and I do Aerows Feb 2014 #159

Coup after coup after dictator after dictator after terror squad, NuclearDem Feb 2014 #93

It's only racism. n/t Aerows Feb 2014 #130

I love how people call people out and then alert a post davidpdx Feb 2014 #137

Oh my. Aerows Feb 2014 #143

I'm glad the post wasn't hidden. bvar22 Feb 2014 #199

Hear, here! reddread Feb 2014 #215

I really like & support THIS "lame ass leader" in Latin America: bvar22 Feb 2014 #195

Read "What Uncle Sam Really Wants" by Noam Chomsky NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #216

ROFL! Puglover Feb 2014 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Feb 2014 #145

The only thing worse than racist remarks is attempting to rationalize racist remarks. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #98

Nope. He Doubled Down, to my delight. bvar22 Feb 2014 #196

Probably not Aerows Feb 2014 #225

"I was referring to their leaders" Puglover Feb 2014 #54

Any port in a storm. n/t QC Feb 2014 #56

Yeah, I liked that one--'I'm not a racist, I just hate the liberals in charge'. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #58

Speaking of I got to see Presidente Correa Puglover Feb 2014 #60

Are you a fan of Correa? He concerns me. I know he's widely popular, but I really questioned some of okaawhatever Feb 2014 #72

I am a fan. Puglover Feb 2014 #76

I had no babylonsister Feb 2014 #151

If you like Springtime Puglover Feb 2014 #171

How long babylonsister Feb 2014 #173

We bought our lot in 2009 and built our home in 2012. Puglover Feb 2014 #175

GASP! babylonsister Feb 2014 #180

This will put it even higher on your list. Enjoy! Puglover Feb 2014 #184

You are in Ecuador now? cbayer Feb 2014 #168

Going back to US tomorrow. Puglover Feb 2014 #170

such as what? Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #15

such as "Latin America is but a cyst on the anus of the world." and Electric Monk Feb 2014 #19

They were alerted on, and both allowed to stand. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #38

Well that's something for DU to be proud of. n/t Aerows Feb 2014 #40

good point. I may have to reevaluate Tarheel. Especially with the wording choice of Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #92

Nice call out davidpdx Feb 2014 #135

Stepping up to the plate Aerows Feb 2014 #152

When you bait someone then turn around and alert on them davidpdx Feb 2014 #167

I never was part of the original conversation Aerows Feb 2014 #189

Yeah almost as classy defending a racist slur against a whole continent. Puglover Feb 2014 #172

That continent never really loved him!!! QC Feb 2014 #185

I can't believe any of this was allowed to stand Aerows Feb 2014 #191

Damn, I thought the thread was about GG defending a white supremacist. Who knew it was Number23 Feb 2014 #139

Hey, of course it is perfectly fine Aerows Feb 2014 #154

As is apparently running up and down and thread posting to every single person that posts Number23 Feb 2014 #165

I'm sorry Aerows Feb 2014 #166

GG-apologists/fans are feverishly posting to distract from Greenwald's BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #181

Well said! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #211

Thanks, VR. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #224

that is blatently dishonest on two levels dsc Feb 2014 #228

Bigoted against ... extraterrestrials? closeupready Feb 2014 #4

Yes, ad hominem attacks are a powerful & effective way to distract TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #5

Few do ad hominem better than GREENWALD, has eviscerated any critics on the spot UTUSN Feb 2014 #7

Thanks for producing that. His venom filled personal tweets are legendary in their vile content. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #9

You really do not get it at all TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #28

What do the McCarthy-ites on this board have left but their baldly transparent tactics? villager Feb 2014 #33

Say Hi for me! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #49

Yup, the Paulites are riled up. great white snark Feb 2014 #108

I can handle 'em, cuz I can spot 'em from a mile away. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #113

So am I one? Hissyspit Feb 2014 #148

Quite frankly, I don't give you much thought one way or another. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #205

Ceiling Cat Aerows Feb 2014 #227

democratic underground is`t the most popular dem site..kos is. madrchsod Feb 2014 #201

Why in the world are you following Ron Paul's site? It is kind of creepy don't you think? Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #226

You mean the ones that have continually been misrepresented and taken out of context here? Hissyspit Feb 2014 #146

You are arguing with a person that is so racist Aerows Feb 2014 #158

That's repeated almost word for word. Thanks for citing the original. freshwest Feb 2014 #100

It gets old doesn't it? nt Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #223

Well, now you've convinced me. EOTE Feb 2014 #11

This is the standard mis-direction: To re-frame any criticism as being advocacy of "Authoritarianism UTUSN Feb 2014 #20

lol AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #24

yes, it is all about personal attacks for you and your ilk TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #30

"This is the standard mis-direction" villager Feb 2014 #36

Then no one gives a fuck about Snowden and Greenwald. EOTE Feb 2014 #50

And you DO know that this "drip-drip" is utterly necessary, right? EOTE Feb 2014 #64

you might have saved me a lifetime of introspection since you assume to know me UTUSN Feb 2014 #75

I know ill will when I see it. EOTE Feb 2014 #79

Amazing and funny how none of your observations apply to me. n/t UTUSN Feb 2014 #104

Yeah, you're the only Snowden hater here who actually gives a fuck about liberties. EOTE Feb 2014 #105

"It can feel good to lick a boot or two" Aerows Feb 2014 #147

More guilt by association tactics? Aerows Feb 2014 #80

Well *of course* we all know how DEVIOUS I am. AND that *I* am the source UTUSN Feb 2014 #141

Don't we all? n/t Aerows Feb 2014 #144

No you are completely wrong; the issue IS the spying alarimer Feb 2014 #245

you know, one can be against NSA spying on citizens and think greenwald is a douchebag. dionysus Feb 2014 #161

You are so amusingly predictable. SaveOurDemocracy Feb 2014 #12

thanks for keeping the light shining on this particular roach Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #13

Yes, he's got a pretty big head... freshwest Feb 2014 #102

You're making someone jealous solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #115

"Glenn Greenwald, NSA Documents & Checkbook Journalism (Boiling Frogs Post-Sibel Edmonds)" Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #14

Strange obsession you have with Glenn. morningfog Feb 2014 #16

Careful Cali_Dem, or you'll stir up the resident Paulites! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #18

The Paulites tend to flock to threads that expose Greenwald Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #23

Check us all for copies of the Fountainhead Aerows Feb 2014 #26

I don't give a shit what you burn! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #42

LOL Aerows Feb 2014 #47

You hurt my feewings! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #53

Now you are just being an emoprog. n/t Aerows Feb 2014 #55

Paulites? progressoid Feb 2014 #61

Tarheel, that train's never late... freshwest Feb 2014 #106

"Snowden called for traitors to be shot." People seem to conveniently forget that. He hates Obama Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #109

You nailed it! n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #111

No offense, freshwest Aerows Feb 2014 #156

This OP reeks of desperation AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #21

I've been posting about Snowden and Greenwald for many months now Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #25

Many months Aerows Feb 2014 #29

Of course you can criticize policy. I've criticized Obama's policies... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #39

Have at it Aerows Feb 2014 #43

Your next post should try to link Greenwald & Woody Allen TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #32

Hense my comment AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #45

Nobody called it your "last act of" desperation. Quantess Feb 2014 #176

Indeed. There are bound to be many more! nt Union Scribe Feb 2014 #179

He should give his citizenship up to one of them. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #27

Greenwald likes America, just not when a black man is President Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #31

Oooh, that's a good one! He's a RACIST! TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #37

Welcome to DU Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #41

It touched a nerve indeed. Seems very personal for the poster. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #46

+1. closeupready Feb 2014 #52

Oh, for fuck's sake! There goes that anti-war cred. If he ever had any. What's with him managing the freshwest Feb 2014 #116

So Greenwald AGREED with the ENTIRE Democratic Party leadership when they voted FOR the AUMF! bvar22 Feb 2014 #198

Never heard of the guy MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #35

Yes, it is very telling that the OP chose to conspicuously remove the word "illegal" from the quote Electric Monk Feb 2014 #63

And you support "illegal immigration"? bvar22 Feb 2014 #44

Caesar Chavez oppossed illegal immigration too. Sirveri Feb 2014 #193

Hey Cali_Democrat... You Left Out This Part !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #48

Obviously, you haven't Aerows Feb 2014 #90

Farm subsidies cause more immigration to the U.S. I must be racist for not liking them! cascadiance Feb 2014 #51

And Obama wants to punish those who cross borders illegally Vattel Feb 2014 #67

Gee it's amazing that you left out this part: SomethingFishy Feb 2014 #68

Oh so that's why he made bigoted comments Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #74

Is Obama a homophobe? SomethingFishy Feb 2014 #77

Funny how the Greenwald cultists always try to distract by bringing it back to Obama Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #78

No answer? I only bring up Obama because SomethingFishy Feb 2014 #81

Your attempt to distract is transparent Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #82

You are being incredibly hypocritical EOTE Feb 2014 #89

Just so you know, when you avoid a question like that... Marr Feb 2014 #128

If we are doing retro quotation day, Obama has some pips 'Marrige is not a civil right' he said Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #83

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #95

So, are you calling Obama a bigot who is against gay marriage? EOTE Feb 2014 #70

He's on record ....no editing needed Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #85

My god. And surely, as people do not change, he still holds this position. EOTE Feb 2014 #86

There is no change of mind, no nuance, no progress, once stated a man's views are etched in stone. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #87

There is the sort of change that GG likes -- the kind that jingles in his pocketses Whisp Feb 2014 #187

No double standard there at all. EOTE Feb 2014 #240

Don't forget Asshole. He's that too. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #71

Funny. You left out the word "illegal" in your title. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #73

She also left out that this is a decade old EOTE Feb 2014 #91

I just caught that the article is from 2005. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #94

But... but... attractive girlfriend... ballerina... republican... Russia... EOTE Feb 2014 #96

Crickets. Quantess Feb 2014 #177

WELL THANK GOD! Maedhros Feb 2014 #84

I like you. 840high Feb 2014 #149

Good thing, otherwise you are a "Paulite". Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #192

Pathetic. n/t Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #88

"Greenwald Unethically...."?!! Cha Feb 2014 #97

Oh, so he's getting upset about the word illegal. Only when it applies to human beings, though. Yup! freshwest Feb 2014 #119

Glenn Greenwald..#1 Profiteer of the 1st Cha Feb 2014 #120

Achievement Unlocked! whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #99

Nailed It... LOL. bvar22 Feb 2014 #194

Achievement Unlocked! whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #101

I may have to steal those graphics. bvar22 Feb 2014 #220

Go for it! whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #242

He also waited to dispatch Snowden until there was a Dem administration. great white snark Feb 2014 #107

DING! DING! DING! And that goes for Greens as well. Remember the Naderites? n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #110

Dispatch Snowden?? Hissyspit Feb 2014 #150

That comment immediately reminded me Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #153

I am not now and have never been a fan of Greenwald Gothmog Feb 2014 #114

Then Hillary Clinton is too. Her past positions on illegal immigration were/are like Greenwalds riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #117

I am not going to support Hillary's Presidential bid if she runs. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #121

Then good bye to you on DU when she gets the nomination since its SOP here riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #122

Good bye to DU? You're leaving? Well....bye then......nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #123

I will support our Dem candidate, especially Hillary. You however hate "bigots" like her riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #124

Huh? nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #125

I will support Hillary in the same way some 'progressives' support Obama here Whisp Feb 2014 #160

What? It's 2016 already? Damn, I slept through the DNC! Need to reset the clock again. freshwest Feb 2014 #163

Name calling. It's beneath you. Argue the merits of Greenwald's positions. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #118

Wow! I totally love warrantless spying and lies now! ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #126

It's only 30%. Aerows Feb 2014 #131

30% is the bees knees. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #132

And besides, Glenn Greenwald is a big ole meanie. QC Feb 2014 #133

And position is boxes in garages = evil in the brain. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #136

And evil in the brain = weeping ballerina. QC Feb 2014 #138

Totally! nt ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #140

Rockin thread Cali_Dem flamingdem Feb 2014 #134

their Libertarians....through and through....they DON'T fool me.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #155

Huh? Being against ILLEGAL immigration makes you a racist? Bonobo Feb 2014 #162

A few things Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #164

You are just showing your ignorance. Bonobo Feb 2014 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Feb 2014 #230

You put everything in No. 2 in present tense despite that it happened a decade ago. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #231

Nothing there about legal immigration seveneyes Feb 2014 #169

Oh, well, then, I guess the NSA's unConstitutional actions are okay, then! TransitJohn Feb 2014 #174

And illegal spying is still illegal spying. marmar Feb 2014 #178

Yes. Yes, he definitely is - and has admitted as much through his blogging BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #182

so anyone who points out the intellectual paucity of your ad hominem is TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #188

Your biggest mistake is to assume BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #203

The OP is a manual for bad faith argument TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #186

The message is as worthless as the messenger. ucrdem Feb 2014 #190

Welcome to DU. truebluegreen Feb 2014 #212

sorry glenn. arely staircase Feb 2014 #197

Don't think so. bvar22 Feb 2014 #219

greenwald is using racist dog whistles arely staircase Feb 2014 #235

do the rates go up if the reply count reaches certain levels? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #200

so am i.... madrchsod Feb 2014 #202

See my post below... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #208

If you PM me your email, I can have you put on our distribution list Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #207

here's my take: ecstatic Feb 2014 #204

DURec!!!!... for the supporters of "Illegal Immigration"!!! bvar22 Feb 2014 #206

Second reply to this OP two days later? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #209

Oh NO. bvar22 Feb 2014 #221

hahahaha Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #222

Well, that oughta put this thread to bed. truebluegreen Feb 2014 #213

LOL Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #214

WTF??? elleng Feb 2014 #210

Greenwald contributes mightly to the ugliness. Greenwald likes to think he speaks Cha Feb 2014 #217

I haven't paid attention to him in the past, Cha, elleng Feb 2014 #218

Can't be swept under the rug, either. Cha Feb 2014 #229

Leave the asshole alone.. You can't expose Greenwald because such and such Cha Feb 2014 #232

Stilllllllll waiting! NuclearDem Feb 2014 #233

ROFLMAO at 'must protect assholes at all costs' BWAHAHA! n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #243

KICK for Exposing Glenn Greenwald.. Asshole. Cha Feb 2014 #234

Dude, the one being exposed is you. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #237

Kick because greenwald is a liar and a ratfucker.. he and snowden lie.. I don't trust them. Cha Feb 2014 #236

Am I supposed to give a shit? eShirl Feb 2014 #238

kick Cha Feb 2014 #239

illegal Autumn Feb 2014 #241

don't care about him. wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #244